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Ribbit
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It was last Thursday, so it's been a week and 4 days.  It wore off in a week.


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that is correct for Vit B losses..

what you will eventually need to do is see what is going on in your intesines.. and fix that..

if not a shot .. then up the nose was another way ofthe red liquid.. but if it was the only thing then why not think it so.. it will not hurt you.. but fixing your body IS important.. and that has to happen in order to reverse the loss.. good luck..


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I've been on the BTD 5 years this month.  I'm doing the best I know to do for my gut.


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I've been on the BTD 5 years this month.  I'm doing the best I know to do for my gut.

Are you taking Intrinsa or eating lots of ghee?  I know I get more abdominal pain when I don't eat enough ghee...

Another item that I had/have to take to improve my cell energy is D-Ribose.  I use NOW brand powder because the tablets were too much when I started taking it.  I couldn't take more than a sprinkle, initially, because my practitioner originally said a tsp. 3x/day and the cells did too much detox and put me in bed for two days...

You may need to get another B12 shot.  Your doctor would be interested in how deficient you are...  Here is a website that explains the reason you may not be absorbing B12 from the diet:  http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/vitaminb12.asp  
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Pernicious anemia is an autoimmune disease that affects the gastric mucosa and results in gastric atrophy. This leads to the destruction of parietal cells, achlorhydria, and failure to produce intrinsic factor, resulting in vitamin B12 malabsorption [3,5,9-11]. If pernicious anemia is left untreated, it causes vitamin B12 deficiency, leading to megaloblastic anemia and neurological disorders, even in the presence of adequate dietary intake of vitamin B12.

My guess is that you have something like this going on...  Yo might need to use the balance technique each day (or maybe morning and night) to help correct this...  More will be better to get over the hump!


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Ribbit please read my posting on the trip to the emergecy room thread.. Its important .. you are way past this discussion here... best of luck..


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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again I am wondering if you could have some issues on the left side hip bone high where your large intestines do not absorb B Vit..   give it a loving massage right to left circles.

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NO IF YOU ARE not geting enough B's into your system then the left side of your intestines is not functioning prperly.. the only way you can get enough B 12 is by injection.
This is coming in a little late I know, but I'd never heard that B vitamins are only absorbed by such a small, specific part of the digestive system.  It seems to me that they could be absorbed anywhere along small intestine, but not in the large intestine.
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Thank you, Joe.  Every doctor I've ever seen, whether alternative or conventional, has said, "It sounds like you're anemic."  But then they do their blood tests and see that everything's normal. But if I'm responding so well to the B12 shots, it must mean I'm deficient, right?

I eat lots of ghee.

A few days ago I got to thinking about what Dr. D said about taking oils until the PPD goes away, and I took a little measuring cup and put: 1 Tbsp. hemp oil and 2 Tbsp. Omega 3-6-9 mix.  I drank it down and it tasted very good to me.  Rob was standing there gagging watching me.  I started feeling better!  So now every morning I do that--3 Tbsp. of all that good oil.  I think I started out life sort of deprived of nutrients (my mom has all sorts of issues going on, and has for a long time), even though I've been taking vitamins since I was very small.  I've produced 4 beautiful, seemingly healthy children (thanks to the BTD).  My body is telling me it's done.  It's depleted.  I've given it all to the children, and now it's time to replenish what I gave away.


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Thank you, Joe.  Every doctor I've ever seen, whether alternative or conventional, has said, "It sounds like you're anemic."  But then they do their blood tests and see that everything's normal. But if I'm responding so well to the B12 shots, it must mean I'm deficient, right?

I eat lots of ghee.

A few days ago I got to thinking about what Dr. D said about taking oils until the PPD goes away, and I took a little measuring cup and put: 1 Tbsp. hemp oil and 2 Tbsp. Omega 3-6-9 mix.  I drank it down and it tasted very good to me.  Rob was standing there gagging watching me.  I started feeling better!  So now every morning I do that--3 Tbsp. of all that good oil.  I think I started out life sort of deprived of nutrients (my mom has all sorts of issues going on, and has for a long time), even though I've been taking vitamins since I was very small.  I've produced 4 beautiful, seemingly healthy children (thanks to the BTD).  My body is telling me it's done.  It's depleted.  I've given it all to the children, and now it's time to replenish what I gave away.

I would agree that you are B deficient.  I always look for the "Why" behind it.  It may be a lack from birth and then providing for the children.  It may be a lack of manufacturing or absorption...  I just posted in another thread that whenever I found out I was nutrient deficient, I have also found an allergy to either that nutrient or to the major suppliers of that nutrient in my diet...  This is something the balance will slowly help you with...

I also understand the need for some unusual treatment (like drinking 4T of oil like water).  Sometimes I just need something and take it and WW or DD go "EEEEWWW", but it makes me feel sooo good.


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[quote=973A few days ago I got to thinking about what Dr. D said about taking oils until the PPD goes away, and I took a little measuring cup and put: 1 Tbsp. hemp oil and 2 Tbsp. Omega 3-6-9 mix.  I drank it down and it tasted very good to me.  Rob was standing there gagging watching me.  I started feeling better!  So now every morning I do that--3 Tbsp. of all that good oil[/quote]Awesome!  Just stay tuned in to your body--it might need that right now, but it might not need it indefinitely!  (I say that because I'm bad about discovering something that works well for me, then assuming that I should just keep doing it forever after.)
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Yes, you're right, TJ.  I realize things change constantly and my body's needs change constantly.  I'm learning to just keep my mouth shut, but I've gotten such a reputation with my inlaws that the latest question (this weekend) was, "So what new foods are you allergic to this month?"  Stupid me, instead of laughing and ignoring the question, I attempted to explain the body's changing needs and how you can heal and eat one food again while something else may begin to bother you...and it all fell on deaf ears.  Then my brother-in-law's brother-in-law (ha--figure that one out) who I haven't seen since I first met him at my SIL's and BIL's wedding 8 years ago, said, "What's the blood type diet?"  Dad-in-law said some choice words and rolled his eyes.  I gave a brief explanation and he said, "Huh.  I'll look into it more.  Because I know when I eat _________ I'll have a bad workout session.  I'm an O."  I think it shocked everybody into silence.  I used the word "carcinogenic" and BIL said, "Can you spell that?"  I spelled it and then chuckled and said, "And that was with a glass of wine down the hatch!"  Everybody laughed and it sort of hid the fact that he then leaned over to his wife and said, "Is that right?" and she nodded.  Maybe I scored a point in their minds by being able to not only informatively educate a newcomer with big terms like lectins and carcinogens, complete with examples for each blood type, but by also being able to spell it.  


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I always say things come down to A -WORD.. my latest word I am fighting around with is balance.. my diab's not in balance and I am not getting balance.. ah -one word opens a door.. like 'sesame' the open door kind, not the bun type..

I am enthusiastic about BTD for 100 YEARS and yet, IT seems others just don't get it.. even to try it..

I am certain that my mom got colon cancer because she was fed American balance food stuff she should not have had.. until she was operated on.. and then BTD prolonged her life I am certain of that tooo.

but convincing anyone.. I am stunned at how difficult it is near impossible..

I have sent this posting site to so many.. but they never seem to get past the opening ER4YT headline..

seems they get intimidated soon and then give up..

maybe we should create a thread of all people who are on line today and just tell how we feel bout BTD/GENO.. but then there have been some great threads here..

like the hypoglycemia threads popping up every other week..  or one for old people, as we seem to be talking to the old folks more than the young ones.-- maybe we don't wish to take care of them as they get older.. while we are preventing our kids from having to worry about us by the time we get old.. we will be doing calisthenics..my fav word today ..  


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Yes, you're right, TJ.  I realize things change constantly and my body's needs change constantly.  I'm learning to just keep my mouth shut, but I've gotten such a reputation with my inlaws that the latest question (this weekend) was, "So what new foods are you allergic to this month?"  Stupid me, instead of laughing and ignoring the question, I attempted to explain the body's changing needs and how you can heal and eat one food again while something else may begin to bother you...and it all fell on deaf ears.  Then my brother-in-law's brother-in-law (ha--figure that one out) who I haven't seen since I first met him at my SIL's and BIL's wedding 8 years ago, said, "What's the blood type diet?"  Dad-in-law said some choice words and rolled his eyes.  I gave a brief explanation and he said, "Huh.  I'll look into it more.  Because I know when I eat _________ I'll have a bad workout session.  I'm an O."  I think it shocked everybody into silence.  I used the word "carcinogenic" and BIL said, "Can you spell that?"  I spelled it and then chuckled and said, "And that was with a glass of wine down the hatch!"  Everybody laughed and it sort of hid the fact that he then leaned over to his wife and said, "Is that right?" and she nodded.  Maybe I scored a point in their minds by being able to not only informatively educate a newcomer with big terms like lectins and carcinogens, complete with examples for each blood type, but by also being able to spell it.  
Good for you!! I love it!!! Bet you are still feeling good about that now??!! & rightly too!!
I know what it's like to get yourself into a corner & at times be feeling belittled in that way Sometimes we do it to ourselves (by not shutting up when we should eh?) and other times they do it... end result is, either way we can easily find ourselves "in a box"
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Way to go, If your doing the right thing you'll always have the last laugh. I've seen a lot of rolled eyes as well, but the other day my dad asked after BD left the house "How much weight has she lost anyway?"  So I told him 25 since Dec. He just kind to nodded his head. i'm sure he will make a point to tell my sister after her little remark about the BT diet last summer.

Don't you just love it. We got it right thinks to Dr D.


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I used the word "carcinogenic" and BIL said, "Can you spell that?"  I spelled it and then chuckled and said, "And that was with a glass of wine down the hatch!"  Everybody laughed and it sort of hid the fact that he then leaned over to his wife and said, "Is that right?" and she nodded.  Maybe I scored a point in their minds by being able to not only informatively educate a newcomer with big terms like lectins and carcinogens, complete with examples for each blood type, but by also being able to spell it.  

Confidence will sell more than timidity...  Go into the conversation knowing you are right and if everyone laughs, just shut up and let them hurt.  Ultimately, you know who will win!  BIL has figured it out enough to know he doesn't have all of the answers...


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I also have to note that the two newcomers (BIL's sister and her husband) were the only skinny people there besides me.   I will still call myself skinny even though I'm clinging to 15 postpregnancy pounds.  The B-12 shot is helping that come off.  DH, being very thin, doesn't fit into the family.  They're all on Atkins/South Beach/whatever and they're still all very overweight.  Unfortunately now my body is falling apart and I can't claim the health I had for the last 5 years on the BTD.  I was asked by a friend not too long ago, "Why do you think all this is happening to you even though you're on a good diet?"  I almost burst into tears, then I realized, "Wait.  It doesn't mean I'm gonna live forever!  It just improves the quality of life!"


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I was asked by a friend not too long ago, "Why do you think all this is happening to you even though you're on a good diet?"  I almost burst into tears, then I realized, "Wait.  It doesn't mean I'm gonna live forever!  It just improves the quality of life!"
That is hard!!

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Sure is.  I hate it that my health can't be a selling point!
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It would be lots worse if you weren't on the right diet, and you know that.  Maybe your health problems are why you need the diet.  I know with me, inflammatory problems rear their ugly heads as soon as I have wheat or corn.  So much cheerfuller(?) and productive on the diet.  Don't want to think what I'd be like without it!  


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more cheerfull
for myself it would be more tired and fatter. it feels so good when people who have known me for a while nottce the changes in my weight and energy. i sure needed it tonight! i basicly had to run/close grill and back window i had two peole to "help" me who clearly did not know what they were doing or did not care. we could have been out of there 30 min early if they had not lollygaged around the back talking i fineshed 30 min early and then had to help them too and i went up to the front and got the manager coaght up on her part as well! aaaarrrrrggggggg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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moms .. MAY I ASK gently..

for you moms who may say you have not had a period for some years, nursing and  having several little ones to run after.. would I be wrong thinking that maybe the body needs some rest.. getting regular periods for a while?? allowing you to gain your own nutrients back and nourishing YOUR body?

I have a concern.. small .. but is not the first child getting all the fresh nutrients better of then the last one getting what is left over??

I am not against nursing, but mentioned that some use nursing as  pregnancy control .. is there not something a little out of (my non favorite word) balance??

Is there not a requirement to have a year in between to regain strength.. ?  I am just asking ..


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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moms .. MAY I ASK gently..

for you moms who may say you have not had a period for some years, nursing and  having several little ones to run after.. would I be wrong thinking that maybe the body needs some rest.. getting regular periods for a while?? allowing you to gain your own nutrients back and nourishing YOUR body?

Yes, it's important to supplement your own body to replenish it.  The baby will take what it needs from the mother.  Lactating mothers are instructed to eat well and continue to take prenatal vitamins (which I can't take because they make me throw up).


I have a concern.. small .. but is not the first child getting all the fresh nutrients better of then the last one getting what is left over??

One might think so, but in my experience and looking at other families, it's often the last baby who outgrows everybody else!  Can anybody else say that's what they've seen?  I know more about nutrition now than I did when I had my first.  I think that's often the case.

I am not against nursing, but mentioned that some use nursing as  pregnancy control .. is there not something a little out of (my non favorite word) balance??

Nursing isn't used as pregnancy control.  Just because you're nursing doesn't mean you can't get pregnant.  Some women breastfeed exclusively and start their cycles back very quickly.  It just so happens that MINE don't start back until the baby's nearly a year and a half old.  I don't see how this is out of balance.  It's just the way different people's bodies work.

Is there not a requirement to have a year in between to regain strength.. ?  I am just asking ..

Requirement?  Who's gonna require it?  I have heard it said (though I don't necessarily believe it's true) that if your cycles start back, it's your body's way of indicating that it's ready for another baby.  Unfortunately our culture and family structure doesn't support large families because we don't have help.  It's all the mommy doing all the work.



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I was asked by a friend not too long ago, "Why do you think all this is happening to you even though you're on a good diet?"  I almost burst into tears, then I realized, "Wait.  It doesn't mean I'm gonna live forever!  It just improves the quality of life!"

Just imagine where you would be without the great lifestyle plan that you have been following...  
I have to keep reminding everyone around me that it was this plan that allowed me to start healing.  Everything else I had done could, at best, slow the degrading process, but nothing had ever worked to stop or reverse the degradation until this.


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Sure is.  I hate it that my health can't be a selling point!

Keep working with it...  The body is probably working to complete the healing process...  Just wait until it happens - then it will be a wonderful billboard...


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