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Hello, I have been trying to find out where to get tested for secretor status (saliva test) since I have been tested Lewis double negative from blood test. Does anyone know where to be tested or what to request, (what type of test, name of test) when contacting labs in Sweden or Scandinavia. I have called the big hospitals, blood donating centrals but it seems like only a few people know what I am talking about.


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Something like 3 of 4 double negatives are non-secretors and there are other reasons for a double negative to follow the nonnie diet, if you are following the BTD.

There is a European distributor, someone (probably Lola) will have the info soon.
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I am not sure if this helps.

Lewis test:

http://right4eu.sageshops.co.uk/gbp/product_info.php?cPath=20&products_id=96

Saliva test:

http://right4eu.sageshops.co.uk/gbp/product_info.php?cPath=21&products_id=90


I can get the site in Swedish: http://www.right4eu.com/?menu_set=14

but it switches back to English with british pounds when I go to order.


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http://www.dadamo.com/knowbase/subtype/subtype6.htm

or you might want to show this to someone qualified.....


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Hi neighbour  
Well I have used http://www.right4eu.com/?menu_set=14
a few times with great results; got my secretor status and several supplements from there- and they were quick and nice.

The only problem I have with right4UE is that is ridiculous expensive compared to the same products in US   which doesnt surprise me that ERT and GTD isnt as wide spread in EU as it could be.


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Hello and thankyou for your answers. I have found a site now for Swedish customers, thankyou Henriette Bsec.

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Something like 3 of 4 double negatives are non-secretors and there are other reasons for a double negative to follow the nonnie diet, if you are following the BTD.


I have read the opposite that most Lewis double negatives are secretors, the percentage distribution of non-secretors and secretors within the group of LDN s are almost the same as distribution of non-secretors and secretors.

Since I am planning to follow the Genotype Diet I would really like to know saliva secretor status. Since I am Rh-negative and Lewis double negative I am not sure if I can consider myself an Explorer as long as I do not know my saliva secretor status.


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glad you found your site!

keep us posted


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Hello Lola. This is the link to Swedish and Norwegian site that I found for bloodtype/bloodtypediet tests:

http://www.dinblodtyp.se/

if this is what You were looking for.

I wonder though, how can I be sure that the tests that I order from them will show accurate results. I really hope that the Lewis test that I made at Karolinska University Hospital (Lewis bloodtype gel agglutination test) showed correct results since I am bloodtype A1.

Where can information about distribution of non-secretors and secretors within the group of LDN people be found?


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Vista- that page looks interesting- Thanks
later when I am less busy Ill loook into the rpices - maybe it is cheaper for me to buy vitamins etc from that place than the EU... after all the swedish kr is very low for a Dane  


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Goodluck!!! I am glad you found youyr site!! Frustrating to have to search and search & be met with blank looks!!
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If you ever visit Helsingfors there is a small Health food shop near Stockmann who sell BTD products amongst more mainstream stuff. NaturaZone is the name of the shop and it's located at Lnnrotsgatan 4. An athletic looking guy runs the shop. I got mine and my friend's secretors test kits via right4EU site or was it called stocktheme back then - this is ancient history so beware. Getting results was a bit of a mess and had to call the USA and spell names and telephone numbers. In the end I got one result by email and one by phone. I think I should have sent the test samples by some expedited service but as it wasn't instructed I just sent them by regular air mail and had to live in uncertainty for quite a while. But this was several years ago so perhaps it will be smoother by now and you should be able to get the results online by using your code. We have a Genova Diagnostics lab here in Helsingfors but the said they can't do the test. Both mine and my friend's samples were sent to Great Smokies Laboratories who are associated with NAP in some way.


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Henriette Bsec, hope You can get Your stuff cheaper at this site.
It seems that the products are sent from England where the main storage for Europe is.

Proto, thanks for the tip, Helsinki is not far away, the ferrys goes often from Stockholm. I have really been trying to find out if any lab, non-institutional care, nursing care in the health care sector in Sweden can do this test for secretor status but no one seems to do it (and very few people knows what I am talking about). It seems  like the test is a simple test from what I have read about it.

At the blood centrals it is possible to do a Lewis blood type test at an extra cost, I made it but couldn't believe that it would show Lewis double negative for me.

My thoughts are if it is really safe to send the saliva sample with air mail or other service and expect that the results would be accurate from the test. I do not know how important it is with handling and temperature conditions for instance. It would maybe be better to make the test somewhere near or in Sweden if it was possible.


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Quoted from proto
We have a Genova Diagnostics lab here in Helsingfors but the said they can't do the test. Both mine and my friend's samples were sent to Great Smokies Laboratories who are associated with NAP in some way.


Great Smokies lab is now Genova Diagnostics: http://www.genovadiagnostics.com/

I think NAP relationship with Great Smokies Laboratories (now Genova Diagnoatics) is just that NAP has contracted with them to process the samples for the kits that they sell.


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Thanks C_sharp, I have searched Genova Diagnostics site for a lab in Sweden and they actually have one, http://www.scandlab.com.

I will contact them to hear about secretor status test.

They have labs in Norway, Denmark and Finland aswell.


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Karolinska blood bank lab has to have the test!

I have it down here, don t see why a more prestigious hospital would not.


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Hello Lola, thats what I thought too, but they don't do it. I have talked to the people working at the blood donating centrals and the labs, (even their doctors) in the big cities in Sweden, Gothenburg, Stockholm and Malmoe.

The only thing they do is Lewis blood type test if you pay extra for it. I never thought that it would actually be impossible to get tested for secretor status since from what I understand it is a quick and simple test. Many of the people I have talked to in the health care sector in Sweden haven't even heard of it and have never heard of secretor status.

I thought that this knowledge was well known since there is a lot of information to be read on the internet about health issues and secretor status from what I have seen.


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the Mexico public health hospital has it, although not accessible for the public, yet do practice this testing whenever an organ transplant is being performed.....and if they receive a petition from a certified Dr., to have it performed for any given patient.

the reputable private hospital chain in Mexico City also has it available, although they do not relate it to a person being a non secretor much less having to do with their diet choices and lifestyle.....but we know better, from reading Dr D s books!


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Yes Lola, for me it seems important to have it done. I have seen my private doctor to request this test but she didn't even know what I was talking about, have never heard of Lewis bloodgroups or secretor status and she thought this test was unnecessary for me so I couldn't get a petition to have it performed.

I think it is a problem that people from what I now know cannot get tested for secretor status in an easy way in Sweden.


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The secretor test via saliva is based on hemagglutination inhibition.
saliva is mixed with anti A, anti B, and or anti O lectins
these antigens neutralize the antiserum or lectins used in the test. This disables the normal function of the antiserum/lectin thus inhibiting agglutination when group A, group B or group O
cells are used as part of the testing.

so this is what you ask them to perform, don t ask about secretor status, cause they don t have a clue about that!
the result we can help you determine if you are a non secretor,
remember if a is positive and b is negative, you would be confirmed as a nonnie.
otherwise you d be a secretor even if you tested LDN through blood.


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Thanks Lola, thats what I have tried to explain to them, I talked to a person last week at Karolinska University Hospital virology lab who makes ELISA tests on virus types, and she just told me that they didn't do those tests. I told them that it should be done with saliva and agglutination with ABO antigens. I have also talked with the blood donating/central lab at Karolinska but they do not do it, they only do Lewis blood type tests when an organ transplant is being performed. The person I talked to told me that they don't do it anywhere in the health care sector in Sweden which I found was strange  since I thought the test was a simple test which could be done at a lab.


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glad you mentioned they do perform ELISA

here s what Jane once mentioned about this test
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ELISA stands for enzyme-linked immunosorbent assay. it works as quantitative method to determine the amount of ABH substances (antigens) that are in a sample of saliva or urine.

When the level of antigens is below a certain threshold that the assay can accurately measure then the sample would be considered to come from a non-secretor.


as they say, where there s a will there s a way, so you might ask for an elisa test and see how low your level of antigens is.

they don t need to know you want to determine secretor status by this test.


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Thanks Lola, thats what I have tried to explain to them, I talked to a person last week at Karolinska University Hospital virology lab who makes ELISA tests on virus types, and she just told me that they didn't do those test. I told them that it should be done with saliva and agglutination with ABO antigens. I have also talked with the blood donating/central lab at Karolinska but they do not do it, they only do Lewis blood type tests when an organ transplant is being performed. The person I talked to told me that they don't do it anywhere in the health care sector in Sweden which I found was strange  since I thought the test was a simple test which could be done at a lab.


Actually, the testing for secretor status via saliva hemagglutination inhibition is really not that simple. Before any testing is done at all, antiserum and or lectins used must be diluted to certain levels to the point that agglutination with A, B, and O cells is reduced. Saliva and antiserums are then diluted together at certain concentrations and allowed to remain at room temp until a certain point, then the level of agglutination is determined. No agglutination means that ABO antigens in the saliva has completely or partially neutralized the antiserum or lectins. This is interpreted to mean that the subject is a secretor. Agglutination of 2+ or stronger would infer that no neutralization has occured and the subject is a non-secretor. This test is not without error, but if it is performed by skilled personel, it can lead to a certain degree of accuracy.

ELISA testing is a more direct method to quantitate ABO antigens in saliva or urine. It is more likely to be performed by a research laboratory.

Forensic laboratories usually freeze dry saliva samples until ready for tesing, but they may also employ a PCR based method in order to back up the accuracy of HI, ELISA, and or Lewis blood group phenotyping.

Histocompatibility laboratories test people undergoing organ transplantation. They are more likely to use PCR to back up other methods of testing for ABH secretor testing and also to back up serologic testing for HLA antigens. This is mostly to determine the suitability of a group O recipient to receive an organ from an A2 non-secretor donor.

You would have to find a lab, that can perform ABH secretor testing via any of these methods. A reasearch lab, a forensic lab or a histocompatibility lab. Unless there is a blood center in Europe that screens for rare blood groups and can perform any of these methods. The main issue being if any are willing to do so, even if you are willing to pay for the testing. I wish you good luck in your quest.


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thanks for stepping in Jane!
you re the expert!


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thanks for stepping in Jane!
you re the expert!


Thanks Lola, I just know from working as a tech in a hospital blood bank years ago.


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I really hope that the Lewis test that I made at Karolinska University Hospital (Lewis bloodtype gel agglutination test) showed correct results since I am bloodtype A1.

I am sure it is correct, hospital laboratories/blood banks are under quite a bit of scrutiny regarding accuracy of blood typing and using approved methods of testing and reagent control.


Where can information about distribution of non-secretors and secretors within the group of LDN people be found?

The AABB Technical Manual would be a good starting place. (American Association of Blood Banks




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