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atticus182
Tuesday, February 9, 2010, 6:29pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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So if type O is a frameshift mutation, I assume it is a frameshift of type A?  Meaning that all letters are identical to type A except the missing letter (as opposed to type B)?

If that is the case then is A a frameshift of O (adding one extra) or the other way around?  Either could be possible, but if O had the most numbers in the population, it would seem A evolved as a frameshift of O, then B evolved from A.

And back to the original topic of this thread... I wonder if non-secretors appear dispersed evenly throughout all populations?  Or do they exist in patchy areas or clusters?
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Quoted from Ribbit


Yes, that's what DH says.  He says, and I quote him as he's standing here, "There are two types of Os in the world.  Most Os are an A mutation.  Some are not."  (I assume those two types of Os would be two different genotypes.)  Dr. D would say there are more than just two, and we see that played out in the GTD.  DH hasn't read the GTD book, he just eats what I put in front of him and says he feels better on the Nomad diet.    I asked DH for more clarification and he said he's already explained it all here before, a long time ago.  I don't know where that is, but I do seem to remember him typing for a long, long, long time one evening a couple of years ago.  


I was just going back reading the early parts of this thread and I thought it was so interesting that you were talking about two types of Os in the world.  I was wondering what do you think is the scientific basis behind that?  I am very curious about this because I think that our blood type has an affect on us that goes way beyond just that particular gene.

I actually had hypothesized that there may be two types of As and 2 types of Bs, while Os would be more similar to other Os and ABs would be more similar to other ABs.   The reason for this would be that blood type has more of an affect on us than simply the antibodies we produce.  Since that seems to be the case, then would someone with the genotype B/B be more "B-like" than someone with the genetype B/o?  Would the homozygous form affect the other gene expressions in a different way than the heterozygous form?  (I'm not talking about antibodies here, but more about the way the alleles affect out other phenotypic characteristics).  So if that were true, would a person who is B/B possibly get more out of the BTD, than one who is B/o?  Furthermore, is there any evidence that heterozygous individuals tend to fall into a certain genotype (ie nomad, teacher, explorer), while homozygous individuals have a higher percentage in other genotype.  There are endless questions along this line... Do B/B people exhibit more of the typical Type B personality traits than do B/o?  


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New Thoughts

I am now wondering if secretion is an adaptation as humans began to move away from fermented food and drink which balanced the more "complicated" (these days) intestines of nonnies, and the very low alcohol had the good affects on lungs etc that nonnies now get from alcohol as well. The supplementation before agriculture may of kept the nonnies in circulation and it was not until agriculture, stored food, and less fermentation practices did people secreting more because a huge benefit

I would suspect that nonnies would of disappeared if it was not for a few factors. First they are probably more useful during times of war due to possible healing abilities (discussed in another thread here), extremely affective blood clotting, and high viral immunity rate. All of those factors are highly valuable, and the viral one can be so during other times of plaque etc...

Basque linage

I am starting to think their early isolation, Neanderthal or not (I assume some genetics from them, the evidence is staggering in a correlation sense to some modern things) was what kept them from developing into secreters out of necessity. When grains etc where introduced it was at a higher time of their capability to survive change while also being useful in some of the early examples. If they had been introduced earlier we may of ended up with substantially less non-secreters in the world.

& More

I am going to have to look more at dates etc... this is just an idea of how things could of been more balanced prior. Also humans may of been more specialized to their diets until these changes started.
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wow, this is deep. i don't actuly know my secreater status but as an O with alot of native american in me i can gusse i secreat from the statement that all native americans do.   and just so i will throw a wrench in your thinking on fast healling nonies. i heal fast and most of the time i can bruise or cut myself and not even know it untill i happen to hit it again and say "ow were did that happen?" or i see it. witchever comes first. by contrary i have alot of muscle/joint problems that never seem to go away. mostly old damage or overuse or (in the muscle case) an inablity to just relax.


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or from past potato and wheat ingestion.....nightshades, maybe?


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Quoted from Lola
or from past potato and wheat ingestion.....nightshades, maybe?


Wheat was the first widely domesticated crop. It was the introduction to agriculture as we know it.

I think at any time potato's were ingested typically the people's diet was good enough otherwise they were ok, like the Mayan. It was not until people tried to subsist off of them (Ireland) that it became the same problem.

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Oh and I guess I am not a non-secreter... CRAZY huh?
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