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I decided to resurrect this thread because my husband has just started the 5/2 IF diet.  I am a Hunter and I believe he is a Gatherer, so it will be interesting to see how he fairs on this type of eating plan.  Neither one of us has been following our BTD/GTD very strictly although we have cut way back on wheat for sure.

One thing that I did not see directly mentioned in this thread, although it was hinted at, is the simple idea of eating when one is hungry.  In the past when I was very young and then into my late teens and early 20's, food loomed large in my life and I was always thinking about food.  I never skipped meals and I would snack all the time too.  I definitely had a weight problem in my late teens and early 20's.  Somehow I switched from living to eat to eating to live and the weight just naturally came off.  I eat when I am hungry - plain and simple.  I never say things like, I could never skip breakfast (or lunch or dinner) because I end up doing that often.  Usually I do not skip dinner.  That is the one meal I try to eat every day.  Some days I eat a late breakfast between 10 - 11:30 and other days I eat lunch between 11:30 and 1, but the overriding pattern I follow is to eat two meals a day.  I break my fast when I am hungry and can wait no longer.  Sometimes if I am really busy in the morning the hunger passes and I will not eat until late in the day and then I only have one meal that day, but that is more unusual for me.

I think the idea of IF is a good one, but in my humble opinion, people can best use this way of eating my simply learning to listen to their body, throw away their clocks and eat only when the body signals that it is time to eat.  I would never advocate getting so hungry that one feels ill.  This used to happen to be before I started eating protein for my first meal of the day.  Without a protein source when I do finally break my fast, I tend to burn what I have eaten far too quickly and get hypoglycemic.

As a Hunter, I imagine this way of eating is more genetically programmed into my genetic individuality.  I would love to know if there are any Gatherer's out there who have used IF and if so, how it has worked for them.  My husband has made his decision, so it will not matter whether people think it is a bad idea.  He will need to decide if it works or not for his individuality.  I haven't read his book yet, but plan to and will post more on this topic as I read.


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Just thought I would mention Early Christians and a few Christian sects today follow the two day a week fasting model (Wednesday and Friday).

Most other faiths include some form of fasting, but not necessarily tied to calendar weeks (lunar months and annually seem to be more common cycles)



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Yes, C Sharp - I read in the intro to the book that Buddhist Monks fast by the Lunar calendar, on the full moon and the new moon.  Ramadan is another example of a religious fast and some Christians fast during lent.  People of the Jewish faith have many religious holidays where fasting is part of their culture, the most well known being Yom Kippur. I am sure there are many other examples of this type of religious fasting.


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You know what came to me when I was reading all this? I wonder if during the hours that you're fasting, if you ate a Tbsp. ghee by itself every couple of hours, maybe that would aid the healing.  I bet it would.

Maybe that's excessive.  Maybe 1 tsp. melted in a little water every couple of hours.  You could call it the Ghee Fast.  Or the Ghee Whiz.  lol
Reading back on this thread your query above, Ribbit, is exactly what Goldie has discovered suits her...

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Quoted from Andrea AWsec
Fasting and calorie restriction are both very stressful for the body.  Just my two cents worth.

Quoted from Andrea AWsec
The longer I do this way of eating the easier it is for me to go without food. I forget to eat sometimes I get so caught up with doing things. Most of the time it is lunch that I skip.
  I have come to believe that intermittent fasting may have some benefit, hormesis.


Interesting that the original quote above was in Dec 2008 & the 2nd one was May 2011...
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Now, a little hunger means just that. In the past, a little hunger meant a blood sugar crash was moments away.

If all things are in balance, an intermittent fast may be OK. But I would pay very close attention to the body's cues. This may be quite different between blood types.
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Now, a little hunger means just that. In the past, a little hunger meant a blood sugar crash was moments away.

If all things are in balance, an intermittent fast may be OK. But I would pay very close attention to the body's cues. This may be quite different between blood types.


This is exactly what I am hoping people will post on.  Maybe I should start a new thread so people are not confused.  I do a different form of intermittent fasting and have for years, long before the term was coined.  I eat twice a day.  I have no problem with hunger, but am sure to eat protein at my first meal (eggs or nuts, generally) so that I do not get the blood sugar crash when I do get hungry.  I am better off from a blood sugar point of view if I eat nothing for breakfast than if I eat carbs for breakfast.  That is when my blood sugar crashes within an hour and a half.  I figured this out years ago when I went on the Atkins Diet.

My husband has decided to try the IF plan, but he is a Gatherer (I think) so I am wondering how it will work for him.  Would love to hear from some Gatherers or other GT's aside from Hunters to see how they fair on this.


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My husband has decided to try the IF plan, but he is a Gatherer (I think) so I am wondering how it will work for him.  Would love to hear from some Gatherers or other GT's aside from Hunters to see how they fair on this.
Well I am definitely part gatherer... (depending on whether I was really a non-secretor or not, I am classic gatherer by book)

I put on weight so easily if I even eat moderately high GI carbs (so nothing other than non starchy vegs) & I retain fluid if I go over a certain amount of salt (even mineral salt)

Have been doing the no breakfast routine most of last 2 weeks & only moderate exercise (max of 20mins a day, forgetting some days & even only 10 on others) Have dropped more than 2 kgs (4lbs+) & no blood sugar drops so it is working for me...


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Well I am definitely part gatherer... (depending on whether I was really a non-secretor or not, I am classic gatherer by book)

I put on weight so easily if I even eat moderately high GI carbs (so nothing other than non starchy vegs) & I retain fluid if I go over a certain amount of salt (even mineral salt)

Have been doing the no breakfast routine most of last 2 weeks & only moderate exercise (max of 20mins a day, forgetting some days & even only 10 on others) Have dropped more than 2 kgs (4lbs+) & no blood sugar drops so it is working for me...




That is fantastic, Possum.  Keep up the great work!!!



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Thanks for the encouragement Patty!! Hope it suits your husband?! My hunter prefers to sleep in than get up early enough for breakfast, but definitely can't go without food after mid morning, or he gets very grumpy
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..One thing ... is the simple idea of eating when one is hungry. Somehow I switched from living to eat to eating to live and the weight just naturally came off.  I eat when I am hungry - plain and simple.  I break my fast when I am hungry and can wait no longer...

...I think the idea of IF is a good one, but in my humble opinion, people can best use this way of eating my simply learning to listen to their body, throw away their clocks and eat only when the body signals that it is time to eat.  I would never advocate getting so hungry that one feels ill.  This used to happen to me before I started eating protein for my first meal of the day.  Without a protein source when I do finally break my fast, I tend to burn what I have eaten far too quickly and get hypoglycemic.

As a Hunter, I imagine this way of eating is more genetically programmed into my genetic individuality...


Whether via genotype or individual constitution, awareness of our body processes is probably the key to success for some adapting to BTD/GTD. Having a delicate constitution myself, positive changes have been dramatic. Although my constitution is improving--due to the fact that my compliance is high-- the occasional slip goes barely noticed. The exception is when I veer from my recommended meal plans, e.g., "Warriors should begin the day with protein".  Here, following Dr.D.'s advice makes a far greater impact than timing my meals (in terms of metabolism, glucose etc.) because of having the proper fuel in the tank at the critical times. What I've eaten for breakfast influences my entire day. No more crashes, regardless of when my next meal comes. Stress on the other hand... gotta have something in reserve. Eat before you absolutely must, or you upset the balance.

Relating to intermittent fasting, whether the body will realize a positive outcome from imposed food deprivation may also be determined by timing. Will the body appreciate a fast at this time? Much to be considered here.

Following a calendar or timetable, like following a clock, seems a rather blunt approach. I would apply periodic fasting and the day-to-day feeding of oneself with equal attention.

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Whether via genotype or individual constitution, awareness of our body processes is probably the key to success for some adapting to BTD/GTD. Having a delicate constitution myself, positive changes have been dramatic. Although my constitution is improving--due to the fact that my compliance is high-- the occasional slip goes barely noticed. The exception is when I veer from my recommended meal plans, e.g., "Warriors should begin the day with protein".  Here, following Dr.D.'s advice makes a far greater impact than timing my meals (in terms of metabolism, glucose etc.) because of having the proper fuel in the tank at the critical times. What I've eaten for breakfast influences my entire day. No more crashes, regardless of when my next meal comes. Stress on the other hand... gotta have something in reserve. Eat before you absolutely must, or you upset the balance.

Relating to intermittent fasting, whether the body will realize a positive outcome from imposed food deprivation may also be determined by timing. Will the body appreciate a fast at this time? Much to be considered here.

Following a calendar or timetable, like following a clock, seems a rather blunt approach. I would apply periodic fasting and the day-to-day feeding of oneself with equal attention.



All excellent points, Averno.  

The plan my husband is starting today is five days of eating what you want with two non-consecutive days of eating 600 calories, broken down into two meals, consisting of high quality protein (eggs, fish, chicken, nuts are recommended) and fruits and veggies.  For a woman, he recommends 500 calories.  I have decided to join him at least one day a week.  I could lose a couple of pounds but not too much.


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I have decided to join him at least one day a week.  I could lose a couple of pounds but not too much.


One can do total fasts two days a week, and not loose weight if you adjust what you eat on other days.


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for people with adrenal fatigue, might be best to eat early breakfast after raw juice, early lunch between 11:00am and 12 midday, and early dinner between 5pm and 6pm.  If metabolism/cell oxidation is very slow, then this plus pure animal proteins and lots of veggies will make oxidation quicker, as need to get nutrients and water into cells and wastes out of cells for good/improved health.  If elimination system not working well, then good to miss a meal or eat lightly. sometimes the body responds well to regular routine, but this could vary, due to many factors.
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I follow alternative day fasting (JUDDD), where I eat about 400-700 cal on fasting days (down days) and about 1600-1800 cal on Up Days. I have been doing it for about a year. Love it   There is also 5:2 version, where you fast only 2 days a week.


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