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Patrick H
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The longer I do this way of eating the easier it is for me to go without food. I forget to eat sometimes I get so caught up with doing things. Most of the time it is lunch that I skip.
  I have come to believe that intermittent fasting may have some benefit, hormesis.


Good to know Dr. D finally caught on :

http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?m-1299544506/s-11/#num11
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Patrick I love onions on meat too! I have been having calf liver with onions a lot lately...yum!!!

Today is day 4 of Intermittent fasting for me. Basically I fast from 8 pm until 12 noon. I feel great! Well, except for today, I am in TERRIBLE pain from this stupid funnel cake and a churro I ate on Sunday at Sea World. My hubby thinks I'm crazy and that I just made a wrong movement with my arm. It's my bad shoulder, writst, and fingers...the worst I've ever felt and the worst reaction I've had since February when I started this way of eating. I took some deflect on an empty stomach, maybe it will do something, anything! Once I have lunch I will eat all diamonds, and the pain will go away. I could do that now but I'm sticking to the fast (I am 25% hardheaded Basque u know). But ARGH the pain is terrible.

When I work out fasted, I feel so much lighter (not my weight, but my legs , my muscles overall, it's great) and I feel like i have more energy. My pants are feeling a little looser too.


"For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well". Psalm 139

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Skipping meals is a fast way to a migraine headache for me.  I can't eat breakfast upon rising though. My stomach isn't ready for food for at least an hour, but more likely 90 minutes.  

Skipping any food (snacks included) makes me a bit crazy.  I have to eat something small every couple of hours.  If my schedule gets disrupted, I feel off for days.  
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Is it the GT Explorers that get so engrossed in what they are doing that they forget to eat? My Dad used to be like that & I definitely can be...
Same here.  We'd both tinker on things until the wee hours.  He kept going on beer, I kept going on Kool-Aid.
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Same here.  We'd both tinker on things until the wee hours.  He kept going on beer, I kept going on Kool-Aid.


It doesn't matter how engrossed I am in anything, I won't forget to eat.


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   Nice Patrick.. too bad you missed it.



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Hands down best remedy for joint pain, beef bone broth! It took away the pain in about 30 minutes.


"For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well". Psalm 139

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Ok guys I had to report back on my intermittent fasting! I went from a size 7 to a size 1 in six weeks. My abs are ripped and my legs and arms are lean again! It really helped me shed the fat I had gained last year, but allowed me to keep my muscle mass. I won't know how much weight I lost until I see my dr next month. I fast everyday until noon, workout at about 10:30-12, then eat. I eat a snack sometimes if I'm hungry, and then eat dinner. I eat most of my carbs at dinner, it's my biggest meal. I know it sounds backwards to everything the "experts" tell us but it really works. Check out leangains.com, the guys names Martin Berkhan.


"For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well". Psalm 139

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I'm glad you found something that works for you! The thing about most "expert dietary advice" is that it's all "one size fits all." We're all unique, and what works for one won't work for somebody else.


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Ok guys I had to report back on my intermittent fasting! I went from a size 7 to a size 1 in six weeks. My abs are ripped and my legs and arms are lean again! It really helped me shed the fat I had gained last year, but allowed me to keep my muscle mass. I won't know how much weight I lost until I see my dr next month. I fast everyday until noon, workout at about 10:30-12, then eat. I eat a snack sometimes if I'm hungry, and then eat dinner. I eat most of my carbs at dinner, it's my biggest meal.  


Jesi, you sound very much like me. I'm not hungry in the morning- been that way since I was a kid. My hunger doesn't kick in until 11ish. If I wait until 1p to eat- I have mega energy!

I will be trying this intermittent fasting. But I think this method is easier on the body overall. Thanks for sharing!

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http://www.leangains.com/2010/10/top-ten-fasting-myths-debunked.html

This is probably the best article in the entire site he has. I also read that short term fasting actually helps regulate your insulin levels. Obviously it can't work for everyone, but if it worked for this hunter it might work for another! Sooks I'm glad you're going to try it! Let me know how it goes.


"For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well". Psalm 139

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Jesi, I just sent you a message, let's connect- I'm interested in your experience... Since I'm a Hunter too  
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I've been doing intermittent fasting too the last 2-3 weeks and love it.  3 meals a day just got old; I burned out on breakfast in paticular.  I'm already small but also have lost muscle mass over the years, seemed to become a grazer, was allowing myself several hundred too many calories on a regular basis.  My feeling is that being in the "fed" state all the time though not terrible weight wise was slowing me down physically and maybe even aging me.  I have become less motivated over the years.....and less athletic.  

There's a ton of good info online, a lot of people are really in to IF.  Contrary to it being hard on the body, a lot of people seem to thrive on less frequent meals.  I'm doing the one meal at night Warrior Diet by Ori Hofmekler most days, I undereat on fruits and veggies during the day.  I've also done some higher calorie days and 24 hour fasts; I'm losing body fat for the first time in years and feel great.  The pdf to WD and Eat Stop Eat are on mediafire.com if you want to read them.  Brad Pilon author of ESE says fasting lowers insulin much more than protein based diets like the Zone.......I combined BT with the Zone for years and can definitely tell a difference.
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The pdf to WD and Eat Stop Eat are on mediafire.com if you want to read them.


Woohoo! Thanks Sahara!
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It's an amazing book, one of the most inspiring I've ever read.  Now if I can  just get my muscle mass back up.  This with weights and,possibly whey protein & colostrum is my last hope.  I wish I'd never started dieting & continued to exercise but its hard...the problem with being a Hunter is weight control can be easy.  Time for dinner, famished.
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It's an amazing book, one of the most inspiring I've ever read.  Now if I can  just get my muscle mass back up.  This with weights and,possibly whey protein & colostrum is my last hope.  I wish I'd never started dieting & continued to exercise but its hard...the problem with being a Hunter is weight control can be easy.  Time for dinner, famished.


I'm reading the WD book now. I love it. So up my alley. Luckily as a hunter we lose weight pretty easily, but yeah it's getting the muscle mass back up. Just want to be lean and slightly cut.  
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This might well be a "Hunter only" temporary dieting strategy.  I have known some Gatherer men who only eat lunch and dinner, or I should say dinner and supper, given how late they take their meal.  I expect these Gatherers to become diabetic once they have some kind of crisis.

"The fast in the morning until you catch something" would be a typical day for an ancient subsistance hunter (thinking spears 'n boomerangs here).  I doubt that I could get away with that partial fasting.  When I lost weight before the BDT, I got crabby at 11 am on an all-oatmeal breakfast - you could set your watch to it.  I noticed a great difference taking Glycoscia when I was on the health maintenance pack - it did the job with blood sugar regulation.  If you have trouble later in the morning, but are still motivated by the need to loose weight, you might keep the program going with the supplement.


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This might well be a "Hunter only" temporary dieting strategy.  


This may very well be true. While reading the book, many of the ideas the author talks about work very well for my psysiology. I kept thinking about other genotypes and how they would fare -as in the Gatherer. Since Gatherer's do not do well on calorie restriction, and may end up worse off.

I don't get cranky or crazy if I don't eat. I usually have a reserve of energy that takes over to tide me over until I do eat. It's definitely a hunter trait, I think
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Actually, I do not chose to not eat breakfast as of late I am just sick until between 0930 an 1100 depending on the day. I am sometimes lucky to eat lunch. some days I wake famished and must eat quickly but can go til dinner time without food. but there are times that if I don't eat I am rather cranky. I too can tied up in projects and forget to eat (may be ADHD-runs in the family). Typically, fasting for my family is first sunday of the month from after dinner satuday night to dinner sunday night. This has been modified due to health and age for some. We eat until midnight, if we chose. Then no food after that water is allowed. No Breakfast, unless it is a blood sugar issue which does come up-eat enough to take the edge off or you are under age 8-which youngest is 10 now. Then we eat after church usually after 1230 or 1430, depending on the year. But we do this for the purpose of guidance in our lives and help with trials we may be going through or others needs, i.e., tsunami victims in Japan.

Mine is also a digestion issue-not everything I eat is always digested properly, in fact some comes out unprocessed especially after gluten or corn or potato contamination. sometimes all I can eat is protein and drink water. It ry to add greens and veggies, but it has been struggle as of late.

I just wish I knew what exactly my body was doing so I knew what to expect day to day. I had been feeling better but went through another round of CFS and candida. I start all over again. This is why I've had a hard time with my SWAMI. I really try but seem to be failing.


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Just like Sahara I'm also doing the Warrior Diet...I use it in conjunction with the Genotype food recommendations...a lot of Ori's food recommendations have the BTD taken into account to start with...And most of his recommendations are quite general, so it's easy to fill in the blanks with beneficial/super beneficial.

I've been using the warrior diet eating structure with sustainable (6 months) and great success...this includes an abundance of energy during the day, increased strength gains on a weekly basis (I'm a strength athlete in my off time), better sleep...really good sleep...I'm been sleeping soundly 9-10 hours with no random wake ups, and finally...being able to "feast" on a daily basis is a huge morale boost, to be able to completely and fully satisfy yourself once a day and stay lean and mean is simply put...awesome.

The primary reason I started and have continued this diet is that I agree quite fully with Ori's statement that the human body thrives under hardship, A factor that I feel has been over looked in most of the health and nutrition community.


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Just to clarify, when I said:

Quoted from ChuChuTrick

I agree quite fully with Ori's statement that the human body thrives under hardship


I was referring to hardship as Acute oxidative stress (short intense exercise or periodical fasting), rather than Chronic oxidative stress (chronic infection, chronic over training or chronic dietary abuse)




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This is an interesting thread....I wonder if we could find out Martins blood type, that would be helpful to know!





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guys I lost 12 lbs since my first post on IF...what was it like 2 or 3 months ago? Haven't done my BIA yet so I don't know how much fat I've lost. I'm loving it!


"For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well". Psalm 139

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2.5 months = 12 lbs lost! woot woot! I actually just came in to see when I had started it...lol


"For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well". Psalm 139

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That's awesome!  My dad's an O and just naturally follows the same kind of eating schedule as you, but then he eats cr*p   I've gotten my mom to cut down on grains though


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