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Can you find a Hershey Dark chocolate? It has less sugar & more chocoalte which is OK for Os [& 2 of the 3 O genotypes, which you are more likely to be].
I have learned to eat plain unsweetened chocolate powder as a tea/coffee type drink - black chocolate as opposed to black coffee.
The food combinations work for me. I am stricter on the fruit one & find I shouldn't mix proteins(beans & meat, e.g.).
I can get by with rice & meat unless I eat tons of it.
  Dr. D is not a big proponent of combos, but certainly lets us share our experiences.  I suspect that once our bodies balance with BTD/GTD, other issues will heal.
There are various levels of detox we may experience. Stay with us & it will get better. There's lots of wisdom & friendly support here!!


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Dr. D is not a big proponent of combos


unless they re GTD harmonic combos!


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I'm a non-snoring nonnie.  I sleep fairly lightly and I actually wake myself up sniffling if I have a cold (which is very rare now, thanks to my fantastic diet).


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cozzet, If you end up being a gatherer, chocolate is a Diamond Superfood.  Of course, that doesn't include the sugar!

But anyway, if you find that chocolate is hard for you to do without, you could improve your odds by switching brands.  Endangered Species Chocolate bars has a variety of dark chocolate with an extremely low sugar content.  It's the dark chocolate that does the good things, so at least you could improve upon the quality of chocolate as you gradually fine-tune your diet.
chocolate



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I'll go buy some of that chocolate in the morning.  Oh, it is morning.  Can this diet make you not want to sleep? I was looking at the gatherer and explorer types.  Gatherer can have a high BMI...i'm one pound away from being obese(i'm 160 and 5 foot 2). I'd say i've always been 10 to 30 pounds overweight my whole life..and isn't that the one that is usually rh negative?  Or is that the explorer? I'm extremely sensitve to medications...can hardly drink, can't smoke dope..most medications make me nauseous though I  wish i could do all those things. I ordered the book from the library. My middle finger is longest. My upper leg and my lower leg are the same length. I don't know what else is relevant. I'm more muscle..lee than flabby. More weight in stomach. Legs thinner. And i'm 64 and my hair is still black. And i can write backwards with my left hand while writing forward with my right hand. That has to mean something.


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get your measurements right first.
here are links to help you visualize how to take those right
http://www.youtube.com/user/GenoTypeDiet

make sure you get enough sleep daily and heal your adrenals
for balance.


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I'll go buy some of that chocolate in the morning.  Oh, it is morning.  Can this diet make you not want to sleep? I was looking at the gatherer and explorer types.  Gatherer can have a high BMI...i'm one pound away from being obese(i'm 160 and 5 foot 2). I'd say i've always been 10 to 30 pounds overweight my whole life..and isn't that the one that is usually rh negative?  Or is that the explorer? I'm extremely sensitve to medications...can hardly drink, can't smoke dope..most medications make me nauseous though I  wish i could do all those things. I ordered the book from the library. My middle finger is longest. My upper leg and my lower leg are the same length. I don't know what else is relevant. I'm more muscle..lee than flabby. More weight in stomach. Legs thinner. And i'm 64 and my hair is still black. And i can write backwards with my left hand while writing forward with my right hand. That has to mean something.


Very impressive, that handwriting ability!  Must have something to do with being able to be left and right-brain oriented at the same time.

I hope you like the chocolate!  But remember, I am not advocating eating avoid/toxins.  I consider total compliance to your eating program to be the best option for good health and normal weight.  However, if you are going to eat chocolate, go for the least harmful.    And maybe, watch your portions!     See if you can eat only enough so that you are getting your "chocolate fix", without overdoing it.  



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I bought the chocolate and its not engaging enough to overeat.  but its okay.

About green tea: in the local coop...green tea plain and green tea decaffeinated. If plain green tea is good for all types...and caffeine is bad for 0s...which tea would be better...its natural caffeinated state or its unnatural de.caffed state? Do we assume when the green tea is tested it is in its natural state?

I only did the finger test and i have more testosterone than estrogen. Does that make me more like a man? Is that why i can identify with a man's position more easily than a woman's side? Sarsaparilla mimics testosterone and it is good for 0. I had a tea made with sarsaparilla once and i raced two blocks in lickety split...like a race horse...and that after not running for 20 years. I never tried that again.

Every once in a while i drink a teaspoon of calcium with magnesium and D added. When i used to take the pill form..it gave me a stomach ache.  It is conceivable that my stomach ache the other day was from the calcium drink. I took a drink of that today. If i get another stomach ache...I would then surmise that was from the calcium drink.  Non-secretors have "less ability to absorb calcium"....may i then assume that i'm a non secretor?

I bought some "dulse" and it really smells like dead fish on the shore. Is there a way to eat this where you can hide the taste?

Okay...i'll stop thinking now.


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Do we assume when the green tea is tested it is in its natural state?

yes

grind dried dulce and add to your meals or salads like sea salt, or any other spice.

I like making nori wraps with my lunch or shredding it into my salads....versatile!


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I bought the chocolate and its not engaging enough to overeat.  but its okay.



That's the idea right now.  Just enough to give you some chocolate without sabotaging your health.



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What about fish that are good for you that are high in mercury..like walleye? Stay away from it? Looks like the best fish for 0 with low mercury is rainbow trout and ocean perch. And maybe pacific sole.  

I'd like to take this time to explain why i stopped this diet in 1999. I had misunderstood or not read carefully enough about portions of meat for 0s and i was eating 16 ounces of meat a day. morning, noon and night. After 3 months i was so sluggish i just gave up on the whole thing. A few years later i read that it was 16 ounces a week.

  Now this fish things is getting on my nerves. I just started eating all the beneficial fishes on the list and now i face the mercury problem. I just gave my mother a bunch of walleye and she has been coughing..though they might not be related..I don't think its a very good idea to give a food with loads of mercury to a person with dementia.  I can see the two of us ending up having nothing but seltzer water or soda water all day long. Though i wonder if that would be a good idea for me...a three day fast with nothing but seltzer or soda water. Any 0s ever tried that?


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I think this is in the same category of Dr. D suggesting that we aim for organic foods and chemical-free meats.  A food may be good for us, but a toxic exposure may contaminate the animal and create a different set of problems (even if the animal meat itself is good for us).  Contamination of food is not a genotype issue, but an environmental one.

I eat a lot of fish, but always try and avoid high levels of mercury.  There are brands of canned tuna, for example, that are tested to be very low in mercury.  Also, I get only wild salmon, caught in very clean waters.  It's worth making the effort to find the cleanest possible sources for the beneficial and superfoods that we eat.



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I was looking through the ask dr. d'adamo questions and found the following which applies to my original question in a fashion of sorts.
STUDY: Lewis antigens as a possible cause of sudden death of previously healthy adults and infants and of diseases and phenomena linked to tissue ischemia.

JOURNAL: Med Hypotheses 1997 Dec;49(6):525-7

AUTHORS: Grzeszczuk J

ABSTRACT: In persons with anti-Lewis antibodies, erythrocyte agglutination might take place during breathing of odors from secretors of Lewis antigens. The agglutinates occlude capillary vessels, increasing resistance to blood flow. This might lead to the sudden death of adults, sudden infant death syndrome or to diseases accompanied by tissue ischemia, such as migraine, glaucoma, epilepsy, etc.


COMMENTARY: This study proposes that some cases of Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS) may be the result of exposure of the non-secretor infant to Lewis antigens from the breath of secretor parents. The resulting immune reaction would then block the blood vessels leading to sudden death.

Non-secretors are almost always Lewis A positive/ Lewis B negative, whilst secretors are Lewis B positive/ Lewis A negative. Thus, Lewis B negative non-secretors can certainly produce antibodies to the secretions in the breath of Lewis B positive secretor parents. This hypothesis is not as far-fetched as it seems. Other studies have noted that the Lewis A antigen of non-secretors can serve as a point of attachment for strains of bacteria known to be implicated in the production of toxins known to result in SIDS like deaths (2,3)

The take home message? Secretor status may be something worth evaluating as a risk factor for SIDS. Sadly, I doubt any pediatric treatment facilities are currently doing this.




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thanks for sharing!


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You are very welcome.


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Wow!  That's really something else!  So does that mean a secretor parent has to be careful about breathing on a nonnie baby?  That sounds crazy!  Now we have reason to keep our nonnie kids away from secreting aunts and uncles we never wanted them around anyway.  lol


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I was happy to know I was a non-secretor when my child was very young.  

The Russians studied breath quite a bit....I tried finding some of the old discussions on it but didn't find anything...
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this is fascinating.....     keep the info coming!
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This is very interesting.



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Maybe difficulties between couples can be traced to blood incompatibility.  i'm rh negative and i'm supposed to be able to give anyone blood but i can only receive the same blood. One of my best friends is a man 15 years younger than me. He lived with me for awhile and i thought...wow..he is so easy to live with. We were intimate for a while  and I never had any problems such as being irritated afterwards which was a common problem for me(irritated mucous membranes?). I just found out that he is O negative.  Thinking back over my past sweeties...i would say most of them irritated me physically, emotionally.....and probably mentally. I always thought i'm just not the easiest person to be with after awhile. Friendly, kind, generous, witty and then after awhile i'm irritated, brooding, distracted and just want to be alone. Maybe its the blood thing. I know that in India they think people should marry who are the same height not that that is a meaningful bit of information. I also know that it is quite common for As and Os to marry....I read somewhere..maybe here...that the Japenese Os want A spouses or if they are an A they want O spouses. Why, I don't know. From being on this diet for a month..there is only one thing that i know. One of the spouses has to stay home to cook. And the other has to go to work and make enough money to buy all the necessary foods. How a two person working family could ever have health is beyond me.  And maybe a maid to make ghee all day long. Speaking of ghee..i made some today and it turned a darker color...I don't know if i ruined it but after putting it on my food...i started just drinking it straight out of the container i had it in...and felt like i was privy to some secret of the gods. I think from now on...that will be my stock birthday gift for everyone I know.  I would like to go on a nothing but ghee diet...sort of like a fast...3 days on nothing but ghee.

As an aside...while googling rh negative i came across a conspiracy theory that rh negative blood type are descendents of the lizard people who came to this planet to control everyone.
Or, another one, that they are descendents of some of the lost tribes of  Israel.  Has anyone ever belonged to a club where only your blood type is allowed?  I think that would be cool. 4 or 8(secretor status included)clubs and after six months they would form a club that included all of them...and we'd film the whole thing and watch who gravitated towards who.  We could start a singles dating service based on blood types based on what we came up with.

okay...back to cooking.


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thanks for the laugh!
very entertaining!


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Thats all i could ask for: give someone a good laugh and drink ghee.


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salud!!!


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I woke up this morning with a ghee hangover.

I have a friend who is most definately one type or another..i can't remember now..but i read all the vegetables that were diamonds for her. She has a blood clot in her lung and is on warfarin. She was not allowed to eat almost any of the diamond vegetables because they thinned the blood in some way. Now how far behind are lazy doctors that they know which foods can thin the blood but they in no way suggest to a person to prevent these issues by changing or adding things to their diet. Its all backwards.


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they trust $ Pharma more than food!


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