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alohascott
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I wanted to start a thread where we could discuss some of the stomach problems that us A nonnies have.

#1   We don't have the IAP to help digest fat, or cholesterol

#2   We have a high chance of carbohydrate intolerance, and blood sugar problems that are difficult for doctors to detect.

#3   We have a high chance of candida yeast infection.

#4   All of these problems i believe give us a predisposition to leaky guy syndrome which means undigested protein leaks from our guts into our bodies. This combined with what we already know about the A type means we cant eat protien.



So let me summarize

We can't eat fat or protein, which are the exact things that would smooth out our blood sugar levels and help with the carbohydrate intolerance.

And we are full of yeast all the time which our regular doctors don't seem to want to help us with.

I guess what i am most focused on is fat.  

I want to know how I can increase my bodys ability to handle fat.

Here is what i know so far

Eat MCT fat like coconut oil

Take digestive enzymes

Take lecithin with any fat.

Increase IAP

Lets get the discussion rolling

Mahalo


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Aloha
I wanted to start a thread where we could discuss some of the stomach problems that us A nonnies have.

#1   We don't have the IAP to help digest fat, or cholesterol

#2   We have a high chance of carbohydrate intolerance, and blood sugar problems that are difficult for doctors to detect.

#3   We have a high chance of candida yeast infection.

#4   All of these problems i believe give us a predisposition to leaky guy syndrome which means undigested protein leaks from our guts into our bodies. This combined with what we already know about the A type means we can’t eat protien.



So let me summarize

We can't eat fat or protein, which are the exact things that would smooth out our blood sugar levels and help with the carbohydrate intolerance.

And we are full of yeast all the time which our regular doctors don't seem to want to help us with.

I guess what i am most focused on is fat.  

I want to know how I can increase my body’s ability to handle fat.

Here is what i know so far

Eat MCT fat like coconut oil

Take digestive enzymes

Take lecithin with any fat.

Increase IAP

Let’s get the discussion rolling

Mahalo



Short chain fatty acids, such as those found in ghee are some of the better fats we can handle along with the omega 3's and some of the omega 6's. Very modest amounts of MCT's are probably OK, but certainly not to be overdone.

I have more issues with carbs than with fats or proteins. Processed carbs are the worst. White flour, sugar and corn syrup are poisons for A nons and all nonnie's for that matter.

In order to metabolize fat, you must eat enough fat in order to kick in the fat metabolizing genes. I conjecture that is why I am thriving on the explorer diet. The iron and zinc found in lamb and red meat including beef has done wonders for my energy levels, blood sugar and the much improved quality of my hair and fingernails. Good fats enable vitamins D,K,A, and E to be properly absorbed.

I have never had a Candida infestation, unlike many nonsecreting O's and A's,but I think body pH to some degree, specifically too many acid forming foods in excess perpetuates this problem. Loads of fruits and veggies along with adequate sleep and exercise will take care of it. Avoiding sugar,HFCS, white flour and potatoes will go along way to improving your health.


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BTW, if you are a GT3 Teacher, then coconut oil is a diamond food.


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I don't know much about the genotype diet but i do know a bit about coconut oil.
I buy the 96 OZ can of coconut milk ($7 USD) in the store and it lasts me three or 4 days.

I can tell you for sure for me it has helped in these ways.

#1 I can eat carbs without getting wiped out as long as i have my coconut oil also.

#2 My endurance for exercise has never been better.
( I ride bike 8 miles along a very senic part the North West Coast of Oahu.)

#3 I just feel that my energy levels are higher and more even.

I would be interested to hear from anyone who has tried coconut oil and actually felt worse.

I did see a bottle of MCT oil in the vitimin shoppe store and almost bought it.

Are there any other forms of Medium chain fats besides coconut oil.  
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I have heard that coconut oil does something to stabilize blood sugar even in diabetics,perhaps it improves insulin sensitivity.

Coconut oil is probably the most widely known MCT. I'm sure there are other sources. Will have to do more research


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Ahhh....a google search shows that butter and palm kernel oils are also rich in MCTs. The ones we are told to avoid due to the saturated fats. On the other hand they are less calorically dense than regular fatty acids at only about 8 calories compared to 9 for most fats.

Interestingly they are metabolised more like carbs and are recommended to people who have difficulty metabolising fats or gaining weight.


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I buy the 96 OZ can of coconut milk ($7 USD) in the store and it lasts me three or 4 days.


So is it coconut oil or coconut milk that you consume? Two totally different products from the same nut  



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Coconut oil is a mixture that is mostly fat and water.  Coconut oil has the unique property of being very water soluble.
So when oil and water mix it makes a white milkly substance called coconut milk.

I put it in the fridge and the oil seperates out and rises to the top and solidifies and i eat that.

The bad oils as far as i am concerned are the ones that have been artificially processed to alter their melting point above body tempature.

Did anybody ever consider that might be a bad thing?

This is great info keep it comming.

Lets get more info on medium and short chain fats and other fats A nonnies can digest easily and also don't forget the other things that we can do to help our bodies digest and use fats.

Take digestive enzymes

Take lecithin with any fat.

Increase IAP
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Coconut oil is a mixture that is mostly fat and water.  Coconut oil has the unique property of being very water soluble.
So when oil and water mix it makes a white milkly substance called coconut milk.


Coconut oil has some moisture content, yes.

Soluble in water, ummm, I'm not sure. You get an emulsion if you mix coconut oil and water.

The emulsion, which is cloudy white is not coconut milk.

Coconut milk (coconut cream) is obtained from the grated flesh of the coconut. You squeeze the milk out. And you do this with a blender and some hot water. Then strain. Repeat two more times.

Coconut oil can be made 2 ways. One is to boil coconut milk for long periods of time till all the water has evaporated. You have to keep stirring it continously. The residue is pure, fragrant oil. Very labour intensive.

The second method is from kopra, dried coconut flesh. It's pressed between huge wooden rollers to squeeze out the oil.

And then there is coconut water, which is the water you get by cracking the coconut.

Just sharing some of my knowledge since I come from the land of coconuts  .

And ofcourse there are coconut jokes...but let's not go there just yet...





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take pancreatic enzymes or and bromelain , dried or freshcut slices of ginger, turmeric, dried italien or french herbs called "herbes der Provence"...


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if you were a A Warrior I would suggest CLA...conjugated Linoleic Acid as a fat buster

Conjugated Linoleic Acid (CLA) CLA reduces fat and preserves muscle tissue. According to the research project manager, an average reduction of six pounds of body fat was found in the group that took CLA, compared to a placebo group. CLA has been shown to decrease abdominal fat and lowers insulin resistance. CLA also enhances the immune system -- many studies have shown that CLA seems to possess sginificant cancer preventive effects.


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fats  in the estomach or fat on the bones  


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on my diet of 30-40 percent fat over the past few months I have taken my Chol / Hdl ratio down from 5.9 to 3.0.
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Coconut oil can be made 2 ways. One is to boil coconut milk for long periods of time till all the water has evaporated. You have to keep stirring it continously. The residue is pure, fragrant oil. Very labour intensive.

You forgot one way.  You can put a big can of coconut milk in the refridgerator and what comes to the top and hardens is coconut oil.   If its 100 percent pure i dont know but its cheap and tastes good, and is highly effective for increasing exercise endurance, leveling blood sugar levels and lowering chol/ hdl ratio from 5.9
to
3
It only took 5 months for me.  

I am not always convinced that the most expensive product is needed in all situations. Sometimes you can make do with what you have.
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Thanks for the info on CLA i will check that out.  Open to adding other oils besides coconut to my diet.
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my favorite food durring these few months was pure chocolate coconut milk shake with stevia sweetener.

Also oatmeal with coconut milk.  I ate this one a lot because as a non dairy tollerant person i did not know i has such a delicious option to milk.
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coconutoil is in my swamitest negatively spelled for intake... .
but ok in the nomade-diet....omG.. .I will test this soon with my Vegatester and until I can work again, I'll use that on my skin only...


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i also did take a lot of slo niacin.  It seemed to clear my mind.  I am now taking regular niacin and inisitol.    also recently i went on a medication called abilify and it seems to be working wonders for my concentration and ability to work and get things done.

can anyone tell me where i can find a complete test like this in america?

http://artisanbread-abo.com/sh.....-blood-test-kit.html

i would just like to go to a website and order the dang thing just like this. someone had given me a suggestion before but the recomended company does not answer their emails.
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serotype panel
http://www.scnm.edu/medcenter/laboratory.php

I sent you the link last night in another one of your threads asking the same question
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?m-1217392178/s-15/#num15

perhaps Monday might be a work day for the company, which doesn t answer your emails on the weekend!


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I did not eat coconut oil for nearly 10 years since it was avoid for type B.  However, since switching to the genotype diet, and finding myself to be a Nomad, I am eating a little organic virgin coconut oil every day (only 1 tsp.).  I have struggled to get my cholesterol to a healthy range, for my whole adult life!  It has been nerve-wracking!

6 months with the coconut oil have zapped my scores magically into the normal range.  Total cholesterol dropped from around 220-230 to 168!  LDL dropped from around 190 to 98.  HDL has stayed at around 60 to 70.  My ratio is 2.6.

I attribute the coconut oil for it's help, but also the entire genotype diet has been so much better suited for my body, and has relieved a lot of the physiological stresses from processing the foods that I eat.



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Not to rock the boat...this is a great discussion, BUT coconut oil is an avoid for both A nonnies and A secretors.  Or did I miss something somewhere?  I love coconut (and used to supplement with coconut oil) but have avoided since starting BTD.  Please enlighten me!
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also a warrior toxin......but other GTs might be able to tolerate it, simply check the lists.


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The coconut oil discussion here seems to focus on the raitings given for blood types and i understand that.

Howerver it is possible that dr dadamo is missing the power of this great natural medicine, i can tell you i am feeling so much better since i have started eating coconut milk.  also just for you A nonnies coconut milk and coconut meat are listed as OK TO EAT.
they are not an avoid or a benificial.

I would beg to argue this non benificial with the Dr.


regarding the link you keep giving me for tests.

i scoured the page, there is no phone number, no email address, and most important of all no link to buy what i showed you on the other link i gave you.  please check that link again.

the ONLY contact information on the site is for the college admissions or the webmaster.  and its not about not returning my email over a weekend its about no reply for a month.  jeez.

again the page you send me to is like a newspaper article on the test facility it does not have the info i need.
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