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bee
Tuesday, March 4, 2008, 8:10pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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I may be one of those non-flexible types, but as an O-Nonnie, I have been assiduously avoiding certain foods for dear life for a while now, which I now discover I can eat according to that "new" diet (don't want to end up on the other forum-would like other nonnie's input).  So...how do I really know if it's okay for me to eat something that was previously forbidden--especially if it was a lectin issue or something serious for us nonnies who really seem to have a hard time and need to watch it. Take apples for example, I am excited to eat them again as an explorer, but what made them so bad before and should I really be eating them? Any ideas out there?  Thanks
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Tuesday, March 4, 2008, 9:34pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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yes, eat all your diamonds and superfoods for 3 to 6 months....
no worries.
did you do the quiz to determine which system is best for you?


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Wednesday, March 5, 2008, 12:22am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Bee, You need to watch how your body reacts to the new foods.
As for me, I tried the gatherer diet and my backpain/sciatica increased from 2 (out of 10) to 8 (out of 10) within the 10 days I tried the gatherer diet. After I stopped the gatherer diet, my backpain decreased back to 2 (out of 10) within 2 weeks.
So, I suggest, watch carefully how you feel - your body will tell you what is good for you and what is not.
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Wednesday, March 5, 2008, 1:44am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Curious, with your back pain increasing, makes me think that nonniness might trump all--I just know I can't touch any kind of grain (except a little rice) or I'm in for migraines/fibro session.
Lola, I did type as an explorer--have the correct measurements, and also am a slow acetylator (can't spell it, but took a lab test a few years ago), which has always makes me hyper sensitive to drugs/chemicals etc.  But will really try and eat those diamonds/super foods for a three month trial and see
what happens. Thanks for encouragement, Bee
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Victoria
Wednesday, March 5, 2008, 2:07am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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I don't remember where the test is located, but it can tell you if the BTD or the GTD is best suited for you.  It's the quiz Lola was asking if you had taken.  



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Let me not pass you by in quest
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Wednesday, March 5, 2008, 2:36am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Bee, you might want to try introducing those new foods one or two at a time, if they were avoids for you on the BTD.  That way you will have an easier time figuring out what's causing the trouble than if you start eating lots of former avoids at the same time!

EDIT: Personally, I tested more strongly for BTD, so that is my main diet.  Despite the outcry against mixing the two diets, I am doing just that.  I have been avoiding BTD avoids and GTD toxins, and out of the remaining foods, I emphasize the superfoods and beneficials.
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Wednesday, March 5, 2008, 2:37am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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As a nonnie doing the gatherer I have been slowly introducing items that were an avoid on BTD.  Like the cheese part...and keeping it very limited.  So far...so good.  Bee...just take each food one at a time and see how your body reacts.



The test is on the home page...scroll down to the Genotype book and the Eat Right book and the click on the link just below them.  The test/quiz is there.  

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Debra+
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or...

Quoted from Lola


Debra



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all roads lead to GT!! lol



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Thanks All,
   Thanks for pointing me to the the quiz to determine which diet to use--it strongly recommends the Blood Type Diet.  I was hoping to maybe feel a little better with the Geno Type, but think I have to be stricter than the Explorer diet allows.  However, I am still going to eat a little apple today .....Bee
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Bee,

Listening to your own body is the best advise.  If a food doesn't agree with you, you should be able to tell fairly quickly.  If you are going to try eating a food again, make sure you only try ONE at a time, as that would be the only way to know if you had a reaction to it.  If you try 2 or 3 in a day, it would be impossible to tell which one you reacted to.  

And, by the way.......your not paranoid, nonnies stay away from things for a very good reason........it hurts not to!!!

I miss my apples too!  
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I too am a nonnie, and tested higher for GTD. As a Teacher, the biggest change that I added to my diet was cheese. As the good advice above said,"listen to your body". My body says "Quit eatn' that doggone cheese!" Within a couple of hours of eating cheese my right hip joint starts to ache something awful. I squirm and fidget in the car, because reaching for the gas/brake pedals really hurts. It takes me about 5 minutes to 'warm' out of the ache when I get out of the car. Also, my joint where my big toe meets the ball of my foot sends stabbing pains at me. So... even though cheese is supposed to heal my gut, and it is a nice portable protien, no more for me! Cultured dairy like yogurt does not seem to have the same effect. Weird.


"Be as gentle as  possible, and as firm as necessary".   Tom Dorrance-the 'father' of natural horsemanship

How true, for life, parenting, horse and dog training!
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Thanks for the link!!  

But where do we find it, if we lose the link again?  



Normal day, let me be aware of the treasure you are.
Let me not pass you by in quest
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Lola
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follow Debra s map!

I found it on Dr Ds blog page.....either or.....there might be more, though.....the NAP updates, also!


''Just follow the book, don't look for magic fixes to get you off the hook. Do the work.'' Dr.D.'98
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Bee:  Let me preface this with Iím tired and not sure how to say this.  Since we donít secrete items that might give others problems in the digestive system donít give us problems until they get into the blood stream.   The GTD combinations make some foods that were avoids OK now.  But Iím with you; there are some foods that I am just too afraid to ever try again.  In my case, I havenít had chicken in over 25 years.  I also tested higher for the BTD.  


I am B- NON-Sec Explorer; my son is B+ SEC Nomad; my Mother was O+; and my Father was AB-
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25 years?!  So you figured that out well before the BTD then.  Good thinking.


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After following the BTD for a year, I had a no bake cookie with peanutbutter in it. I felt confused, tired and had a serious headache.
I didn't realize that it was the cookie untill I had another later that day. Same exact thing happened.
Wheat also makes me feel terrible. It generally doesn't take long to feel the effect of an avoid. Though the wheat does take longer to get out of my system.
I read the GTD. I'm not even going to attempt it. Especially after finding that I'm nonsecreter.
I feel well on the nonnie diet. That counts for something when I think of the reactions I've had to other foods.
I sometimes think it's all in my head though.


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It helps when you are going on a new system to keep a food diary.  Some foods might give you immediate reactions and others not until theyíve worked their way through your system.  Different foods react in different parts of the body and different foods take various times to digest.  And some foods wonít rear their ugly head for years until you notice severe symptoms and theyíve really clogged up your insides.  Anyway, I digress.  Jot down your bodily functions and how you feel.  Are you full of energy or did you fall into a slump.  Then you can go back and pinpoint the foods that help you feel better and those that make you feel worse.  Now keep in mind that your body will be going through a detox stage.  Just like giving up caffeine, one has a headache and no cigarettes will make one edgy.

In graduate school I used to have severe stomach cramps not occurring around my period.  Iíd curl up into a ball in pain.  I finally traced it to eating chicken.  When I read the BTD and it said that chicken was the worse food for Bs, I was sold on the diet.  Also my son suffered from ear infections when he was little.  The description of the 9 yr old in ERFYT book matched my son.   Now Explorer doesnít list chicken, which makes it a neutral, but I still wonít eat it.  For my Nomad son, it is a dot avoid.  He eats it.  I advice him not to eat it when he is feeling ill.  No chicken soup for us when we get sick.


I am B- NON-Sec Explorer; my son is B+ SEC Nomad; my Mother was O+; and my Father was AB-
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I think it's grand to see so many people that know their bodies and systems so well!


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I too am sticking with my BTD instead.  I am an O nonnie, and the slightest deviation and I am in pain, or just plain sick.  

I have been quite ill for the last 4 months.  I have been in unbearable pain, depressed, tired, bloated......you name it.  Also, for the last 4 months I have slipped on eating right for a lot of different reasons......too many things out of my control to make my life work as it was for the 8 months prior.

As I am fed up with American Medicine, I am back here..where I belong!!  I know I will be feeling good again soon, and the reason is following the BTD!
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glad you re back with a vengeance!!
it can only get better.....hang on!


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Glad you're back. You'll be feeling better soon!


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I have the same problem.  Carbs inflame me like mad and make me itch.  I guess it's because my body basically doesn't use them, and so they just start causing problems, like juvenile delinquents roaming the streets after midnight.
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Now with the warmer weather coming, there should be more wonderful choices of foods to help you get off the carbs.
I know I get such huge cravings at times.
Remember that we are here to support you. Stick around!
Cheers,
Mrs "T"   O+


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