This morning I woke up and went over to Burgerville.  And guess what I had...

I had the halibut fish and chips with a hamburger and sweetened raspberry Nestea iced tea.  Within minutes, the headaches and stomach rumblings began.

So now I'm off to take some Deflect, NAG, and glucosamine.

sorry Ron...were you looking for sympathy Poor Ron...!!

Burp!  

live, eat, and learn!!

Quoted from Lola

live, eat, and learn!!

Why not learn, eat, live. Isn't that the BTD way.  

Ron, I feel your pain.  I do binges too even though I'm well aware I'm going to pay a price.

Hi Ron,
  I dunno know what to say.  

Just this, we love you!  

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learn, eat, live

whatever is fine with me!

"larn, eat, live" or the other way...it works both ways, you can pay me now or you can pay me later.
But hey. Ron, who among us has not slipped up?

I sympathise! Yesterday my mum bought a large bag of marshmallows near me    and I picked at them all day  

Then we ate out 4 dinner and I had fries and bread..  

I felt like I had asthma last night trying to get to sleep I could not get enough air lying down and sat up gulping for air, cursing  

'tis the season...

Make yourself some sweet potato fries next time you feel a binge coming on

hmm how do you make sweet potato fries..they sound so yummy

cut them up, toss them in olive oil put in the oven with spices, let brown, watch them and turn them occasionally so they don t burn!

Quoted from Melissa_J

Make yourself some sweet potato fries next time you feel a binge coming on

How do they taste though?  Sweet potato is a very different taste from regular potato!

Everybody binges !! ... forgive urself and move on  
That's what I do  
Cheers  

Quoted from TJ

How do they taste though?  Sweet potato is a very different taste from regular potato!

I've sliced and fried sweet potatoes and they are somewhat sweeter than white potatoes, but are really good.  I didn't fry them until they were crisp, so don't know how hard it is to get them crisp without burning them...

ok they don't get as crisp...and they're kinda sweet...but I love them!

Ouch. Binge breakfasts . . . hope that got the cravings out of your system for a while, Ron. I think Os in particular need to be reminded now and then just how much avoids trash ya. Every once in a while I get all nostalgic for my old breakfast (a toasted bagel with cream cheese) and have one. It usually tastes pretty awful and I'm sick for several days, but hey--the craving is gone for a good long while!

About sweet potato fries . . . yes, they're different from white potato fries--a bit softer and sweeter--but once you get used to the difference, they're fantastic. I much prefer sweet potatoes now in place of white potatoes. They have a wonderful complex flavor, just that hint of earthy spice with the sweetness, that makes them so good! Sweet potato fries are really delicious with hot sauce or cayenne sprinkled on them. Giada di Laurentiis makes hers with basil salt--fresh basil minced and mixed with sea salt, then sprinkled on the fries when they come out of the oven. Yum!

Ron, I still have times like that and sometimes it seems to happen out of the blue for no good reason.  All you can do is pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and know that you are in this thing for the long haul, it is all about sustainability and a lifetime diet, so if once in a blue moon you do what a dear participant of the old board used to dub "howling at the moon", it's okay.

The trick is to get back in the groove after jumping the tracks.  Because, I don't know about you, but once I derail, I tend to stay derailed if I don't put Herculean effort into getting back on track.  It seems to be far easier to stay on track once I'm there than to get back there once I'm off in the shrubbery/ditch.  I visualize having to climb and claw my way out of the ditch and back onto a literal train track or path.  Some tricks I've found to quell/calm the carb monsta, once he breaks the restraints of his cage and goes on a wild tear through my system are:

1.  Eat wild salmon.  The protein and especially the high quality omega 3 fat in salmon seems to balance me out and get me back on track like nothing else.

2.  If you are right in the middle of a carb binge and feel you can't stop, eat some fresh grapefruit.  This seems to work IMMEDIATELY to stop my cravings.  But it doesn't replace the need to eat salmon to really get you back in balance.  It is more of a "first aid" thing.  Then you proceed with the real "treatment" of the salmon.

3.  Exercise (preferably outdoors in the sunlight).  Does too much to list, all good.

4.  Take some glucosamine sulfate or some Deflect (which you did, good boy!).

5.  Try to get enough sleep.

Gotta go for the moment.  Forgive yourself, Ron.  It is, as Lisalea said, something we all (or many of us, anyway!) do from time to time.  That carb monsta is a wiley one.

Quoted from 521

This morning I woke up and went over to Burgerville.  And guess what I had...

I had the halibut fish and chips with a hamburger and sweetened raspberry Nestea iced tea.  Within minutes, the headaches and stomach rumblings began.

So now I'm off to take some Deflect, NAG, and glucosamine.

Do you know what may have brought the binge on?

I don't know what brought the binge on.  Maybe boredom with the safe foods I've been limiting myself to.

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How do they taste though?

Heavenly.

I think we all need to binge once in awhile to remind us why we normally strictly (somewhat) adhere to the BTD.

I have not had a binge of avoids yet (I am only on the diet since August and am too afraid to get more pain), but if I have a binge one day, I'll make sure I'll enjoy it.  

Yeah, we generally enjoy the binges, but, ow I know I pay dearly for mine!! I wouldn't say I've been bingeing alot lately, but more like have had one tire nearly flat, with the result of lumpy steering. I just got laid off one of the worst temp jobs of my life where the boss was OMG horrible, a real psycho, but food parties are the order of the day at that large (think Snoopy) insurance company, and because of big departmental shakeups, we were getting "pity" parties in addition to the usual calorie-fests. I've put on so much weight I can't believe it. Now that I'm back to feeding myself, phew, less temptations. I'm telling myself in a week I'll feel much better.

glad you re out of there!

I was so sick and so miserable for so many years, I have not been tempted to eat avoids.  Maybe once in 9 years, I knowingly ate a wonderful avoid dessert, but no way to I want to suffer and die before my time.  

When I want to binge I'll eat two toasted rice cakes with almond butter/chopped walnuts with blackstrap molasses, instead of one.

Sorry folks, I'm not gloating.     My compliancy was born of desperation, and stuck around because of radiant health!  

Quoted from Victoria

When I want to binge I'll eat two toasted rice cakes with almond butter/chopped walnuts with blackstrap molasses, instead of one.

  

Ron, I think I know where that binge came from. You've been under a lot of stress with your dad being in the hospital. I've noticed that Os tend (in general) to binge and crave avoids when they are stressed out.

You might want to give Rhodiola a try if you haven't yet. Don't go overboard with it, but check it out. If you're really craving sugar and/or starch and wheat in particular and your protein levels are maxed out, try beneficial starches like sweet potato or pumpkin. I've found they do help to some extent.

The holidays are a stressful time of year no matter what else is going on. Don't beat yourself up if you give in to temptation. Just keep on walking. This too shall pass.

Thanks, Brighid.  I hadn't thought of that.

Dad is doing a lot better today, and they will probably be discharging him from the hospital either late today or tomorrow.  My only regret is that he didn't get to have much of a vacation at all while he was here.  Maybe he can extend his visit or something, though.  That would be good.

That was a great insight, Brig!

Ron, I'm so glad your dad is improving, and I'm sorry I didn't think of that right away as a contributor to your binge breakfast.  

Maybe he had no vacation, but it's so wonderful that he was able to avoid surgery.  Much to be grateful for!!     

Hi Ron,

I'm glad that your dad is doing better, too.

I'm rather new here and I'm really enjoying your posts. I'm very interested in the research you've done about what might help nonnies fuction in a more secretor-like way.  

I have tended to binge on avoids when I've been under certain kinds of emotional stress so if that was a factor for you, I can relate. Last night I dreamt that I binged on stoned wheat thin crackers. Better a dream than reality (I avoid all grains and grain-like things - even quinoa - now), but in real life it has been a problem at times.

..dreams are a lovely thing Novelia  

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I was so sick and so miserable for so many years, I have not been tempted to eat avoids.  ...Sorry folks, I'm not gloating.     My compliancy was born of desperation, and stuck around because of radiant health!  

That reminds me of how, when I moved to Florida, people in my life kept saying "You are so brave!  Moving to Florida all alone with no family, no friends, no job!"  I was like, "Brave?  BRAVE?!  No, this is not bravery."  This is/was, as you (Victoria) just said, desperation, a last ditch effort to do something that would, over-simply stated, stop my nose from bleeding all winter!!!  I would have jumped right off the edge of a cliff if I thought it meant not going through another winter up north at that point.  I'm dead serious.  I was fleeing for my life.

And, as much as I naturally love autumn and winter and naturally have a difficult time with heat and humidity, I have NEVER once been tempted to go back up north at that time of year, not even for a few days.  Nope, nope, and NO.  Just like you with veering from the BTD, the difference at this point in my health between FL and Maryland et al. is just too great.  I will stay down here in The Land of the Three H's*, thank you!

Similarly, I feel so much healthier on the BTD than I do off, that I never veer forever...but I must cop to some veering.  I can get away with some veering, although I do try hard not to veer and I do pay a heavy price if it goes on too long (and sometimes if it only goes on for one singular veer).  I'd (and we all would) be best off if we did it the Victoria way, i.e., veer-free.  My hat is off to you, Victoria!

* Hurricanes, Heat and Humidity

P.S.  I remember the day I left Maryland, it started sleeting horizontally as I loaded up the car and left and I felt like I was literally fleeing.  Like, get me the BLEEP out of here NOW, winter is setting in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And as I drove farther and farther south, and I got ahead of the sleet and it started warming up, I can't tell you the feeling of relief that washed over me.  I have never looked back!  Do I miss my beloved northeast, complete with my beloved autumn, winter, seasons and the whole nine yards?  YES.  Would I want to take a trip down memory lane?  NO, I'm good.  I'll just stay put here, thanks.

Same with my diet:  I'm good to go.  Y'all regular issue Americans can enjoy your Oreo pizzas and your Starbucks and your whatevers.  I'll stick with my beef and kale and NO wheat or corn syrup, thanks just the same.

...Although I did ingest corn syrup on Sunday...but in GENERAL, I do say:

oooh woow I can feel your pain Ron....but I am nearly sure that almost all O's do have more troubles in case of bingeings than all the others am I right here

Until now I've never had any probs when lurking after white chocs only getting fatter when eating any kind of sugars .... ...

Yes, I do believe you're right , Isa! I think its because O's are impulsive by nature....and also wheat is such an omnipresent food in our culture...some people say," oh well, O's have it easy cuz meat is the prominient food in our culture," but they are not thinking about the wheat, flour, pizza, sandwiches, tortillas, pasta, that is really what our culture eats...not to mention the cakes, cookies, chips, pies, etc.
It's not easy being an O..... but when you get used to our proper food, it is delicious, luckily, I love all O foods, and you feel great!

I enjoyed your thoughts, Peppy.  

I have found that the only difficult challenge for me in staying compliant with this way of eating is the social part.  I have actually experienced many friends drifting away from me because so much of "getting together" revolves around eating.  When that aspect of friendship veers apart, you find out if you have enough else in common to maintain the relationship.

Sometimes, the answer is No.

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W00t!  I now have > 1/100th as many posts as you!

Quoted from Victoria

I enjoyed your thoughts, Peppy.  

I have found that the only difficult challenge for me in staying compliant with this way of eating is the social part.  I have actually experienced many friends drifting away from me because so much of "getting together" revolves around eating.  When that aspect of friendship veers apart, you find out if you have enough else in common to maintain the relationship.

Sometimes, the answer is No.

This aspect unsettles me I have to admit !  I have secreted myself away from most people I know over the last 3 years, which has also coincided with my start on BTD funnily enough. But I think this has made compliance easier as I have had that extra time on my own to prepare food and really enjoy learning all about BTD, but it has been a very isolated experiment and I am worried about how I will manage in the 'real world' as such, if I ever return to it..what am I saying, of course I won't be returning to that old me, but location of living has a big impact on social life etc.
my family are pretty good at understanding, but even they see it as an extreme diet      whereas to me now it is just normal, but I do get funny feelings about if I ever had to survive doing this all alone ! (Oh the melodrama   )

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I have secreted myself away from most people

you mean you have 'non secreted' yourself, right?
you can always come to us, when in need! no worries

Quoted from Lola

you mean you have 'non secreted' yourself, right?
you can always come to us, when in need! no worries

haha yep I am non-secreted-secreted  

The first couple of years are the worst.  Soon people become used to your eccentric approach to food and if they are true friends, they will find a way to accept you with all that it implies.

I think it's helpful if we are not pushing our agenda onto others, so they have no reason to be defensive.  

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The first couple of years are the worst.  Soon people become used to your eccentric approach to food and if they are true friends, they will find a way to accept you with all that it implies.

I often dine at my friends' and we prepare a salad together. I dice the cucumbers. The diced cucumbers are left in a separate dish!!! The salad is mixed and served but the diced cucumbers, and my friends help themselves to them. Best Friends' kindness.  

is it thatswhy in our youth we've got so many problems with our health and no-one was able to understand us .....

Infancy, childhood, youth, middle age, and old age... !!

I have been beating myself up for my binges recently b/c I have been moving and kitchenless. And then have to work lots of overtime so no time to unpack, find my shoes, etc. And then having to share a kitchen with a roommate for the first time...I have more spices than she has food in the kitchen!! Just very stressful (good stressful, but stressful). I didn't realize other o's were prone to binges as well. Thanks for the tips! Maybe I will make it this time.

What is Rhodiola, Brighid? What does it do and where can I do more research on dosing info, etc? Supplements baffle me.

Yael, the most problematic time for me, seemed my childhood...here I nearly can't remember what has happened ..... but what I can remember was and is, that I've got troubles over troubles with food ....

when I was able to look after myselve...nearly all changed coz I
remarked foods which weren't ok with me, in the earliest age....so I just didn't ate it ...so it was a bit painful at the beginning but where Ive grown nobody forced me to eat whatsoever....and french cucina is much better than teutonics

Quoted from Victoria

I enjoyed your thoughts, Peppy.  

I have found that the only difficult challenge for me in staying compliant with this way of eating is the social part.  I have actually experienced many friends drifting away from me because so much of "getting together" revolves around eating.  When that aspect of friendship veers apart, you find out if you have enough else in common to maintain the relationship.

Sometimes, the answer is No.

The social part is DEFINITELY the most difficult part of this diet.  That is because we are opting to eat healthily, to make healthy choices, in a society that makes that extremely, extremely difficult.  And so we--the ones opting to eat a healthy diet--are looked at as somehow OCD about diet.  I've even read people's comments on other boards saying BTDers have some newly named disease--can't think of the name right off the bat--that basically means someone obsessed with their diet.     If trying to make healthy choices in an unhealthy culture is obsessive, then color me unapologetically obsessive.

I have had family, friends, and especially co-workers cop a 'tude on me like I am some sort of really nutty person about diet.  My ex-boss here (now my boss' [boss's?] boss) said to me once or twice "Do you eat ANYTHING?"  It's like:  "Duh, obviously I must be eating something, I mean, look at me!  Not exactly Calista Flockhart [Flockhardt?]!"

Gosh, humans irk me sometimes.  Quite often.  What a frustrating lot they are, in general.  Can't believe I'm one of 'em.

One of my best friends got really upset with me one night when we were out because I had ordered something that I thought was benign and when it came it was covered with breadcrumbs.  I sent it back and just asked for a salad.  For some reason the waitress was upset and that upset my friend.  The cook came out and he was just terrific - no problem but my friend was upset that the waitress got upset.  I wasn't angry at her.  I should have asked more questions.
Oh well!
Jane

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too funny Edna!!

I have learned to just simply skip the part about what people think or say about my food choices!!
Like in 'gone with the wind' ''I don t give a damn!!'' lol

there s an Argentinian place we like to go to, and I make sure I go pay a short visit to the very guy in charge of placing the cut of meat on the grill, before I walk down to my assigned table!!lol

he just smiles at me and says; ''no house seasoning right? just sea salt and fresh ground pepper!!!''
I really enjoy myself instead of having to suffer for someone else s mistake.
as my hub says: ''who cares what people say, they re going to talk anyways!!''

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too funny Edna!!

I have learned to just simply skip the part about what people think or say about my food choices!!
Like in 'gone with the wind' ''I don t give a damn!!''

Well, I'm right there with you to a point.  I got there long about a few b-days ago when, as I posted about here, a few of my co-workers actually reduced me to tears with their pointed pressure to eat wheat, just when I REALLY didn't want to eat wheat.  Not only did they reduce me to tears, they did reduce me to eating wheat, not necessarily in that order (I think the wheat ingestion came before the tears).

After that sordid episode, I decided something.  I will never again allow ANYONE and/or any situation to make me feel that I have no choice but to eat what I don't want to eat again.  NEVER!  ...But then I remembered a previous lesson learned:  "never say never".  Never thought I'd visit, much less move to, Florida, but here I am, ya know?  So I can't say that I cannot envision a few situations in which I might feel pressured enough to eat wheat (I'm specifying "wheat" instead of "avoids", because usually wheat is the one I REALLY don't want to eat, and the rest of the world seems h*ll-bent on getting me to eat...but you could throw in corn syrup, too, as it is in EVERYTHING), because there might be a situation in which, indeed, graciousness would trump even my own health for that moment, but *****I***** and I ALONE will be the one to make that decision and it would be rare, rare, RARE for there to be a social situation in which there would be no gracious way to decline something that would hurt my health.  Because what I learned from the b-day episode is that being assertive doesn't mean that you aren't being gracious.  And being firm in a BOUNDARY you set doesn't mean you lack grace.  Oh no.  NO.  See, I've always had a HUGE problem setting boundaries, but something snapped in me at that office b-day party and it was like:  why did I let them do that to me?  NEVER again.  And I will use the word never when it comes to a situation like that one was, where they d*mn well should have known my diet restrictions or at least the Big One (no wheat) after all these YEARS!  I have NO PROBLEM saying tough toenails to them anymore.  You made that just for me?  You stayed up all night?  It's "rude not to eat what someone made you"?  I'd "better not even think about not having any?"  You can't let it go when I graciously take a piece "for later"?  Well:  TOUGH TOENAILS.  I ain't gonna be the one weeping in the ladies room again.  Too bad, so sad...NOT!  Long as I remain a wheat-lectin-free zone, it works for me.  Lay whatever trip you want/need to lay on me, I'm ready for ya.  I eat and don't eat what I choose to eat or not eat in any given situation?  Get it?  Got it.  GOOD.

("Oh no you di-unt!", you say?  Well, YES, I WOULD, if it ever comes to that again.  In the immortal words of my mom and possibly of the entire WWII generation:  You bet your sweet bippee!

Hi everyone

I agree that you should never eat something that you don't want to eat. Being assertive can be done graciously, absolutely.

I offer a sincere 'thank you for thinking of me' statement along with something like 'so now there's more for everyone else to enjoy!' Any decent friend or person should be understanding when told that one's health is adversely affected if they eat gluten grains or whatever else. I sometimes have told people what happens to me if I do eat such things, if necessary. Also, sometimes I break out in cystic acne from some foods and people don't argue with that when they see it (ukk!), but of course it's convenient that my skin shows the issues. Most are not visible.

If people truly knew how bad wheat/gluten grains can be for some people - maybe *all* people when it comes to modern wheat - there would be no pushing. Funny, too, how not that long ago almost no one knew about the issues with trans fat yet the dangers were known about in the 40s. Of course almost no one was told. But there was little need, to be somewhat begrudgingly fair, because it wasn't in many foods back then. That sure changed.

Anyway, I find it interesting that Os are supposed to be more prone to binging. I'm A+ and I've certainly binged a lot in my life and so have other As I've known. Hmm! Maybe Os do it more?  

Quoted from Peppermint Twist

If trying to make healthy choices in an unhealthy culture is obsessive, then color me unapologetically obsessive.

agreed!  

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I offer a sincere 'thank you for thinking of me' statement along with something like 'so now there's more for everyone else to enjoy!' Any decent friend or person should be understanding when told that one's health is adversely affected if they eat gluten grains or whatever else.

You're right, most of these nasty effects are not obvious except to the sufferer, but I find the implication that it might be an inconvenience to other people as well can help when making your case.

When I've been pressed to eat bad avoids ("oh surely a little won't hurt", "it's good to break the rules sometimes" and the guilt trips) and Novelia's appreciative noises weren't working, I've resorted to "you wouldn't want to make me throw up at your party now, would you?"

I got an alarmed face and "it wouldn't do that to you would it?" I said "let's not risk it, eh?" I felt a bit mean putting the guilt trip back on them, but I have to say it worked.

Wheat won't make me puke, and I never actually say it would, but the implication that I might make an unpleasant mess for someone else to clean up has always been enough.    

I can see the look on their faces!