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Lola
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I was so sick and so miserable for so many years, I have not been tempted to eat avoids.  Maybe once in 9 years, I knowingly ate a wonderful avoid dessert, but no way to I want to suffer and die before my time.  

When I want to binge I'll eat two toasted rice cakes with almond butter/chopped walnuts with blackstrap molasses, instead of one.

Sorry folks, I'm not gloating.     My compliancy was born of desperation, and stuck around because of radiant health!  



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When I want to binge I'll eat two toasted rice cakes with almond butter/chopped walnuts with blackstrap molasses, instead of one.
  



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Ron, I think I know where that binge came from. You've been under a lot of stress with your dad being in the hospital. I've noticed that Os tend (in general) to binge and crave avoids when they are stressed out.

You might want to give Rhodiola a try if you haven't yet. Don't go overboard with it, but check it out. If you're really craving sugar and/or starch and wheat in particular and your protein levels are maxed out, try beneficial starches like sweet potato or pumpkin. I've found they do help to some extent.

The holidays are a stressful time of year no matter what else is going on. Don't beat yourself up if you give in to temptation. Just keep on walking. This too shall pass.


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Thanks, Brighid.  I hadn't thought of that.

Dad is doing a lot better today, and they will probably be discharging him from the hospital either late today or tomorrow.  My only regret is that he didn't get to have much of a vacation at all while he was here.  Maybe he can extend his visit or something, though.  That would be good.
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That was a great insight, Brig!

Ron, I'm so glad your dad is improving, and I'm sorry I didn't think of that right away as a contributor to your binge breakfast.  

Maybe he had no vacation, but it's so wonderful that he was able to avoid surgery.  Much to be grateful for!!     



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Hi Ron,

I'm glad that your dad is doing better, too.

I'm rather new here and I'm really enjoying your posts. I'm very interested in the research you've done about what might help nonnies fuction in a more secretor-like way.  

I have tended to binge on avoids when I've been under certain kinds of emotional stress so if that was a factor for you, I can relate. Last night I dreamt that I binged on stoned wheat thin crackers. Better a dream than reality (I avoid all grains and grain-like things - even quinoa - now), but in real life it has been a problem at times.
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..dreams are a lovely thing Novelia  
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I was so sick and so miserable for so many years, I have not been tempted to eat avoids.  ...Sorry folks, I'm not gloating.     My compliancy was born of desperation, and stuck around because of radiant health!  

That reminds me of how, when I moved to Florida, people in my life kept saying "You are so brave!  Moving to Florida all alone with no family, no friends, no job!"  I was like, "Brave?  BRAVE?!  No, this is not bravery."  This is/was, as you (Victoria) just said, desperation, a last ditch effort to do something that would, over-simply stated, stop my nose from bleeding all winter!!!  I would have jumped right off the edge of a cliff if I thought it meant not going through another winter up north at that point.  I'm dead serious.  I was fleeing for my life.

And, as much as I naturally love autumn and winter and naturally have a difficult time with heat and humidity, I have NEVER once been tempted to go back up north at that time of year, not even for a few days.  Nope, nope, and NO.  Just like you with veering from the BTD, the difference at this point in my health between FL and Maryland et al. is just too great.  I will stay down here in The Land of the Three H's*, thank you!

Similarly, I feel so much healthier on the BTD than I do off, that I never veer forever...but I must cop to some veering.  I can get away with some veering, although I do try hard not to veer and I do pay a heavy price if it goes on too long (and sometimes if it only goes on for one singular veer).  I'd (and we all would) be best off if we did it the Victoria way, i.e., veer-free.  My hat is off to you, Victoria!

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P.S.  I remember the day I left Maryland, it started sleeting horizontally as I loaded up the car and left and I felt like I was literally fleeing.  Like, get me the BLEEP out of here NOW, winter is setting in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And as I drove farther and farther south, and I got ahead of the sleet and it started warming up, I can't tell you the feeling of relief that washed over me.  I have never looked back!  Do I miss my beloved northeast, complete with my beloved autumn, winter, seasons and the whole nine yards?  YES.  Would I want to take a trip down memory lane?  NO, I'm good.  I'll just stay put here, thanks.

Same with my diet:  I'm good to go.  Y'all regular issue Americans can enjoy your Oreo pizzas and your Starbucks and your whatevers.  I'll stick with my beef and kale and NO wheat or corn syrup, thanks just the same.

...Although I did ingest corn syrup on Sunday...but in GENERAL, I do say:



"If you are on one of Dr. D's diets and it isn't joyful, you aren't doing it right." - moi

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oooh woow I can feel your pain Ron....but I am nearly sure that almost all O's do have more troubles in case of bingeings than all the others am I right here

Until now I've never had any probs when lurking after white chocs only getting fatter when eating any kind of sugars .... ...


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Yes, I do believe you're right , Isa! I think its because O's are impulsive by nature....and also wheat is such an omnipresent food in our culture...some people say," oh well, O's have it easy cuz meat is the prominient food in our culture," but they are not thinking about the wheat, flour, pizza, sandwiches, tortillas, pasta, that is really what our culture eats...not to mention the cakes, cookies, chips, pies, etc.
It's not easy being an O..... but when you get used to our proper food, it is delicious, luckily, I love all O foods, and you feel great!
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I enjoyed your thoughts, Peppy.  

I have found that the only difficult challenge for me in staying compliant with this way of eating is the social part.  I have actually experienced many friends drifting away from me because so much of "getting together" revolves around eating.  When that aspect of friendship veers apart, you find out if you have enough else in common to maintain the relationship.

Sometimes, the answer is No.



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W00t!  I now have > 1/100th as many posts as you!
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I enjoyed your thoughts, Peppy.  

I have found that the only difficult challenge for me in staying compliant with this way of eating is the social part.  I have actually experienced many friends drifting away from me because so much of "getting together" revolves around eating.  When that aspect of friendship veers apart, you find out if you have enough else in common to maintain the relationship.

Sometimes, the answer is No.


This aspect unsettles me I have to admit !  I have secreted myself away from most people I know over the last 3 years, which has also coincided with my start on BTD funnily enough. But I think this has made compliance easier as I have had that extra time on my own to prepare food and really enjoy learning all about BTD, but it has been a very isolated experiment and I am worried about how I will manage in the 'real world' as such, if I ever return to it..what am I saying, of course I won't be returning to that old me, but location of living has a big impact on social life etc.
my family are pretty good at understanding, but even they see it as an extreme diet      whereas to me now it is just normal, but I do get funny feelings about if I ever had to survive doing this all alone ! (Oh the melodrama   )
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I have secreted myself away from most people

you mean you have 'non secreted' yourself, right?
you can always come to us, when in need! no worries




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you mean you have 'non secreted' yourself, right?
you can always come to us, when in need! no worries



haha yep I am non-secreted-secreted  
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The first couple of years are the worst.  Soon people become used to your eccentric approach to food and if they are true friends, they will find a way to accept you with all that it implies.

I think it's helpful if we are not pushing our agenda onto others, so they have no reason to be defensive.  



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The first couple of years are the worst.  Soon people become used to your eccentric approach to food and if they are true friends, they will find a way to accept you with all that it implies.

I often dine at my friends' and we prepare a salad together. I dice the cucumbers. The diced cucumbers are left in a separate dish!!! The salad is mixed and served but the diced cucumbers, and my friends help themselves to them. Best Friends' kindness.  



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is it thatswhy in our youth we've got so many problems with our health and no-one was able to understand us .....


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I have been beating myself up for my binges recently b/c I have been moving and kitchenless. And then have to work lots of overtime so no time to unpack, find my shoes, etc. And then having to share a kitchen with a roommate for the first time...I have more spices than she has food in the kitchen!! Just very stressful (good stressful, but stressful). I didn't realize other o's were prone to binges as well. Thanks for the tips! Maybe I will make it this time.

What is Rhodiola, Brighid? What does it do and where can I do more research on dosing info, etc? Supplements baffle me.
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Yael, the most problematic time for me, seemed my childhood...here I nearly can't remember what has happened ..... but what I can remember was and is, that I've got troubles over troubles with food ....

when I was able to look after myselve...nearly all changed coz I
remarked foods which weren't ok with me, in the earliest age....so I just didn't ate it ...so it was a bit painful at the beginning but where Ive grown nobody forced me to eat whatsoever....and french cucina is much better than teutonics


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I enjoyed your thoughts, Peppy.  

I have found that the only difficult challenge for me in staying compliant with this way of eating is the social part.  I have actually experienced many friends drifting away from me because so much of "getting together" revolves around eating.  When that aspect of friendship veers apart, you find out if you have enough else in common to maintain the relationship.

Sometimes, the answer is No.

The social part is DEFINITELY the most difficult part of this diet.  That is because we are opting to eat healthily, to make healthy choices, in a society that makes that extremely, extremely difficult.  And so we--the ones opting to eat a healthy diet--are looked at as somehow OCD about diet.  I've even read people's comments on other boards saying BTDers have some newly named disease--can't think of the name right off the bat--that basically means someone obsessed with their diet.     If trying to make healthy choices in an unhealthy culture is obsessive, then color me unapologetically obsessive.

I have had family, friends, and especially co-workers cop a 'tude on me like I am some sort of really nutty person about diet.  My ex-boss here (now my boss' [boss's?] boss) said to me once or twice "Do you eat ANYTHING?"  It's like:  "Duh, obviously I must be eating something, I mean, look at me!  Not exactly Calista Flockhart [Flockhardt?]!"

Gosh, humans irk me sometimes.  Quite often.  What a frustrating lot they are, in general.  Can't believe I'm one of 'em.


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