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suzedgar
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Hello all,

I have been non compliant again for a while. I struggle alot with giving up coffee and wheat.  I really do want to give them up but seem to keep going back.  

What makes you guys keep to the diet??

I was recently diagnosed with mild anxiety disorder and am on a very low dose of 25 mg of Zoloft. What a difference! My acne rash on my face and back has gone away and I am sleeping well for the first time in a long time.   I am in therapy and hope that the medication is a very short term solution.

I do believe that if I came off dairy, coffee, sugar and wheat, I would help my brain chemistry further. I just seem to have terrible discipline.

I exercise about 4 times a week which is good and has really helped me.

i think I need some encouragement right now.  Do you think that O nonnies can get anxiety from the wrong diet? I try not to have too many carbs. I am slim naturally but have put on a few pounds from the zoloft.

Also, I get sinus infections very easily - seem to be susceptible to lots of things

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What keeps me on the diet is my body!  I hate being in pain and also I hate being sick.  The benefits of the diet far outweigh what I am giving up.

Even though I am on the diet, I am not healed from years of neglect and abuse.  This is now taking place through a monitored NP protocol.


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Would you mind sharing some of your improvements you have experienced?
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why not try a less invasive approach, like Bach flowers and or an homeopathic treatment?....less invasive to your very unique and delicate nonnie system.

try to get rid of detrimental habits, sticking to your beneficials, as well as adopting the right lifestyle.

easier said then done! I know!
been there, done that!

I used to have a terrible chronic Neurodermatitis on both palms of my hands.....used to walk around like Michael Jackson, with cotton gloves!

this was pre btd, eating way wrong and living way wrong!!
homeopathy took care of the critical stage of my very sore palms....at a psychological level for sure.....but btd definitely helped me get rid of so much more!
compliance rules, what can I say!!


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Lola,

Do you still find that you have any difficult health problems that the blood type diet has not taken care of yet?  I am glad the skin condition has healed on your hands.

I have very dark circles that I think are caused by dairy, coffee and wheat. I think it is a sign that my system is over loaded
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none at all!!
but I have adapted btd completely in my everyday life.


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It's a vicious cycle.  Wrong eating can certainly mess up your emotional balance, and emotional imbalance can drive you to wrong eating.

Wheat can make O's very crazy and depressed.  It creates a lot of cravings.  Perhaps you can begin to get a handle on this by finding some consistent wheat alternatives so that when you MUST have breads, there are things like spelt, rye, rice, etc.  And if you are presently in a coffee loop, start cutting down immediately, and do it gradually.  If you are dealing with anxiety disorders, you don't need the additional stress of caffeine withdrawals.  

You are right that O nonnies can get anxiety from the wrong diet.  The challenge is to break out of the loop.  Start where you can and keep making steady, small steps.  



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Quoted from suzedgar
Do you think that O nonnies can get anxiety from the wrong diet?


I an a secretor but I sure get anxiety, depression and crankiness from dairy, wheat, coffee, and sugar. No ill effects on the body. it all goes to my brain.

I have been unable to avoid these avoids for the last 4 years. I am now on holiday and just came to see what was going on. I will not go into details on how to achieve compliance at this stage as I have to go get ready for dinner

But, I have been compliant for 1 week, 100%  for the last 4 (1 cup of coffee being the only avoid the first 3) and I feel sensational. No anxiety, no depression, no crankiness. My husband is delighted And I have lost 4 pounds.

The first 4 were hard. My moods were horrid and some cravings but once that period is passed... heaven on earth.

Now... how to avoid a future avoid indulgence... perhaps I shall be able to tell you after the holidays.

Very best wishes,






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Susana,

Thank you so much for this inspiration.  If you don't mind me asking, do you have any other issues you want to resolve with this diet that have not changed yet?

This is very inspiring regarding the wheat and coffee etc.  I think I may have no other choice.

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When I went 100% compliant on the diet (and need to do this again) I was hooked on coffee, double cream in the a.m.  I went on the btd and told myself that as a reward, at the end of a week I could have a coffee.  Week 1 was great except it didn't taste as good as I remembered.  Week 2 it gave me some jitters.  Week 3 my morning coffee kept me awake most of the night I was so wired and it really didn't taste that great.

I really fell into the gutter this Spring and am now trying to crawl back out.  I believe you can't try anything so I shouldn't use that word.  I have been mostly compliant today.  No coffee for sure.  Tomorrow I will begin again.  Had a compliant lunch and planning to make compliant supper.  I don't do the beef for breakfast but make a protein smoothie with a veggie protein.

When I was 100% I overcame a hugh health issue!!  Of course drs won't believe it was my change of diet that cured me.  That's okay, we all know it was.

I lost weight and since fast food junking it for 4 months I'm fat again.  The weight must go.  I need to feel better again.

I never really thought about it but my anxiety attacks are few and far between and much lower grade.  Hmmm, get compliant and I just might be able to face my biggie fear - driving on a highway.

All the best with your journey down the btd path.  You can do it !!


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a daily exercise routine which you enjoy is key!
it has to be designed according to your level of endurance, so it doesn t stress you further!

it needs to feel good and it should only take a few minutes getting oxygen into your system and that dopamine 'feel good drug'!

so important for us Os!
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read the O section.


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My 19 year old,  O (secretor status unknown) daughter is hooked on coffee too. She is a sophomore in college, and not  a night person like the rest of the college population, so she has been relying on coffee to stay awake mid afternoon. She trys to avoid wheat, but tends to grab a Luna bar on her way to class, and sometime the wheat does end up in her meals. Her complexion is really suffering!!

Could the coffee be giving her ZITS????

I recommended that she substitue green tea for her caffeine fix, and she is going to try.

She is trying to eat as well as she can, and she took a running class so she could build exercise into her day. She knows that the vigorous exercise helps her handle stress better. She eats better than a lot of the students, but her face is still quite broken out. Frustrating! I hate to put her on antibiotics!  Are there any foods to substitute mid-day to keep her awake? She does head back to her apartment when she can, when her roomates are out, to sneak a nap in!

Hang in there suzedgar, when I want a no-no, I mentally tell myself "stop", and substitute my absolute favorite beneficial!  That tecnique doesn't always work, but when it does, I am proud of myself!  When you see how great you feel without the wheat etc. it will be easier to say NO!  


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You are all so helpful! Thank you.

I think that exercise is key to reduce the anxiety and stress.  

As far as skin issues go, as soon as I have started taking the zoloft, my skin has completely cleared up. I believe that anxiety causes the break outs.  I have gone the "chemical" route which naturally is not nearly as good as eating the blood type diet that reduces the anxiety naturally.

I am going to go back on the diet cold turkey then i can get off the meds. It will be interesting to see what happens
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Susana,

Thank you so much for this inspiration.  If you don't mind me asking, do you have any other issues you want to resolve with this diet that have not changed yet?

This is very inspiring regarding the wheat and coffee etc.  I think I may have no other choice.

Suz


I am glad it is inspirational for you. I know how important inspiration is when ambivalent.

I had no issues at all pre BTD. I was searching for perfection. It has been in tha last two/three years that I have noticed serious brain/mental issues. It coincides with a period where I overindulge (and I mean overindulge) in wheat, coffee, dairy, and sugar at the expense of bennies.

Pre BTD I followed a similar diet to O diet for most of my life. It did include wheat, dairy, and coffee, but in small amounts. I had lots of vegetables, fish, meat, and fruit.

One question: Do you believe in BTD? If so, How?/What do you mean by belief in BTD?

Best wishes,

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here are reasons why you should consider kcicking your coffee habit

coffee intensifies stress, causing an average 40% increase in adrenaline. This results in increased blood pressure, heart rate, perspiration, muscular tension, nervousness and irratabilty

increases the secretion of stomach acid by 400% (this is why it's Ok for A's sometimes and bad for O's) contributing to gastritis peptic ulcers

is linked to ovarian, bladder and kidney cancers, with an increased risk of bladder cancer by 2 1/2 times (O's have higher cancer bladder rates)

coffee drinkers have a 50% higher risk of heart attack (according to the Lancet)

coffee stimulates the pancreas and the adrenal, intensifying hypoglycemia and weakening the adrenals ability to respond to stress

Coffee increases intellectual speed but not power (working faster but not smarter)

coffee increases miscarriage and can double the rate with just 163mg a day- 1 cup, tragically 75% of pregnant woman drink coffee without knowing these facts

coffee has adverse effects on the baby's muscular development and nutritional balance and increases the risk of birth defects

coffee reduces fertility...more than one cup a day makes a woman half as likely to conceive

PAH's (polycyclic hydracarbons) some of the most powerful carcinogens are found in roasted coffee

coffee causes a significant loss of nutrients, especially magnesium, potassium, calcium and zinc, B vitamins, especially inosiital and biotin. It interfres with iron absorption. Woman who drink a cup or more a day, have significant lower bone densities especially after they reach menopause.

coffee is a major source of cadmium, a heavy metal that is carcinagenic and immunosuppressive, and promotes prostate hypertrophy and cancer


decaffeinated coffee contains methylene chloride, a toxic solvent

Roasted coffee is a potent source of free radicals and of benzene which contributes to chronic disease and cancer






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Yikes! Mike! I guess I am gonna cut down to 1 cup in the morning instead of my 3! I wonder what the cancer rate is in Seattle, where there is coffee everywhere?  

More green tea for me!


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you all know I've wrestled with  this coffee issue  for AGES!!!
well, I really have surprised myself.  I actually stayed away from coffee for  about 4 months back in the spring.  I slipped at the end of the summer due to  the stress in  getting kids off to college and due to being on vacation ( coffee drinking is social, relaxing).  Guess what? It didn't taste as good... it didn't live up to my expectations.. I felt BAD... so.. even if I wanted to cheat to feel "great" .. it just didn't happen anymore... YiPpPpYYY!
I even really cheated and bought my heavy cream to go in it... still didn't like it as well as I thought I did..... so here I sit.. with my green tea... and love it....I really find that I still need some honey or sugar in it to feel really great... maybe I'm just addicted to that??  anyway, I'm making progress!
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you all know I've wrestled with  this coffee issue  for AGES!!!
well, I really have surprised myself.  I actually stayed away from coffee for  about 4 months back in the spring.  I slipped at the end of the summer due to  the stress in  getting kids off to college and due to being on vacation ( coffee drinking is social, relaxing).  Guess what? It didn't taste as good... it didn't live up to my expectations.. I felt BAD... so.. even if I wanted to cheat to feel "great" .. it just didn't happen anymore... YiPpPpYYY!
I even really cheated and bought my heavy cream to go in it... still didn't like it as well as I thought I did..... so here I sit.. with my green tea... and love it....I really find that I still need some honey or sugar in it to feel really great... maybe I'm just addicted to that??  anyway, I'm making progress!


Great job on the coffee!


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It's a vicious cycle.  Wrong eating can certainly mess up your emotional balance, and emotional imbalance can drive you to wrong eating.

Wheat can make O's very crazy and depressed.  It creates a lot of cravings.  Perhaps you can begin to get a handle on this by finding some consistent wheat alternatives so that when you MUST have breads, there are things like spelt, rye, rice, etc.  And if you are presently in a coffee loop, start cutting down immediately, and do it gradually.  If you are dealing with anxiety disorders, you don't need the additional stress of caffeine withdrawals....

 Start where you can and keep making steady, small steps.  



Suz,
The only solution I found against wheat and co. has been to 'drown' myself in compliant foods, beneficials and neutrals.  In the beginning of my BTD I used to eat a whole package of Wasa 100% rye crackers with tahini every day! Didn't gain 1 gram. Since wheat, potatoes and corn are your worst enemies, the longer you abstain the more thank yous you will receive from your own body, and when you experience that, you'll realize that's the best encouragement for you, the vicious circle will disappear and sheer happiness take place.

Regarding coffee, 'gradually' has really been the key word for me. I knew I had been hooked for so many years, so I didn't do any effort to stop, just contemplated. I was resolved to let it go, yet wouldn't force myself. At the same time, I would keep noticing the unwanted effects coffee had on me. Until one day, 4 months after beginning BTD, I realized that a whole weekend had passed with no coffee intake. That was my prompt, and I haven't touched coffee since. Yes, I smell it and enjoy the smell, but I separate the smell experience from the drinking one. Also there were so many recommendations in these forums for green tea, preferably organic. Green tea is really a better world.

Good luck and success,
Yael




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I know for me it's not really THE coffee.. it's more the ritual.. and the sugar.. and the creamy taste of the cream I put in it..  I would NEVER dream of drinking black coffee... it's just not appealing.  I decided the other day that I'm just FINE drinking plain green tea most days.. however, if I find myself slipping, I'll just put some honey or sugar in my tea.. and if I MUST.. some soy milk....
I think hot chocolate.. the organic kind.. Dagoba is it?  will be my next  choice if I find I might slip.. I will not do the unsweetened kind.. I'll do the sweetened.. but I won't give in to the coffee... so. .I have a plan of action!!!  For me.. it's not really the coffee.. it's more the habit and ritual of going straight from opening my eyes to the cup and the euphoria from the hot/ sugar/ creamy waking me up...   I can live without coffee!!
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Ok. Yesterday was day one of no coffee. You know what .....not so bad!  It really is the warmth and creaminess....oh dear, musn't think about it!

I seem to need something warm in the morning and have replaced coffee with green tea.   It is not as good but recently I have actually not been enjoying the taste of coffee really.

Yesterday was strangely different. I didn't crave anything sweet and so stuck to my diet better.  I was far less bloated and had even energy throughout the day. It was strange.  I felt calmer and less excited. I wasn't irritated easily.  I think that coffee might really do that to me.

I love the suggestion of replacing wheat/corn and dairy with a large amount of neutrals. I am a nonny so really I shouldn't eat any grains at all. I am going to ease into this.

I already lost a pound!! I think it was water weight maybe
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glad you had your eye opening moment!
helps you stay on track!


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Coffee hounds, do try green tea with veggie glycerine--it is good, and truly yummy organic gourmet brands can be found. And another indulgence that I use sometimes is hot chocolate, with veggie glycerine again. I also sometimes [color=purple][/color]make homemade almond milk and use that with the chocolate, etc.  Organic cocoa powder is available in most health food stores.

Caffeine is caffeine!  Has downsides, but it can be taken in more user-friendly forms.  

I have coffee every once in a while, and that seems to work OK--and also reminds me of how jittery it can make one feel, which discourages me from using it regularly.

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When I went 100% compliant on the diet (and need to do this again) I was hooked on coffee, double cream in the a.m.  I went on the btd and told myself that as a reward, at the end of a week I could have a coffee.  Week 1 was great except it didn't taste as good as I remembered.  Week 2 it gave me some jitters.  Week 3 my morning coffee kept me awake most of the night I was so wired and it really didn't taste that great.


That is me to a tee! I also did the same with milk chocolate at a different time, and the first thing I noticed was that it didn't taste the same, then that it gave me a headache. Now after 10 months of the BTD I'm pretty "clean". I can live fine without coffee or milk choc, but you know how sometimes people who don't know buy/offer you them? I find I can have one espresso, or one chocolate to be sociable, with no headache or lying awake half the night. But more than that and my body lets me know. I'm so glad I've got to that stage.

Oh and the caffeine thing is weird. Green tea caffeine is happy, constructive, get-me-off-the-sofa stuff. Coffee caffeine is jittery, paranoid, heart-pounding, can't-seem-to-stop stuff.

As to the losing weight, I lost 16lbs when I started this and as long as I stay compliant, it stays off. If I have one slice of pizza, I put on 3lbs overnight and it doesn't come off again for a week.

So well done you!


Note to self: I am me, and also an O-nonnie - I'm allowed not to fit the mould.
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I think wheat is an a league of wickedness way beyond most foods!     

For the most part, high compliance keeps us healthy enough that if we have one occasional avoid, it's not a huge deal if we end it with that, and not let the addiction kick in!  



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