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Captain_Janeway
Friday, November 2, 2007, 10:19pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Quoted from Lola
congratulations!
knowledge is power!!

I have successfully converted two allergologists, both owners of genetic labs, one in Croatia and the other in Spain.
they both have implemented the secretor testing in their labs now, and both turned up being non secretors!!!

Dr D has had the ball on his side of the court for so long now......and the best is yet to come!!


I hope you can do the same with US labs. A PCR based test has the capability to determine secretor genotype. In at least one PubMed study, it was actually the homozygous secretor and NOT the non-secretor who has significantly higher levels of factor VIII and VonWillebrand factor antigen. This fact was observed among both group O and group A volunteers.


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Mastre,
I just posted on another thread....I wonder how many people with autism are nonnies?


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hope you can do the same with US labs.

I do not go around telling labs what to do!! lol

this particular situation happened for a reason, I believe.....
swiftly, with no pressure whatsoever!
it was a friendly dinner among my hubs colleges.....during an anti aging congress where he was invited to assist as professor.

nothing planned all spontaneous......that is precisely the way I enjoy things to happen.

they might in turn spread the word among their colleagues as well.....at least I hope they do!


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Mastre
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Ribbit,

I keep wondering the same thing. Would love to see statistics done on this. Remember, there are a number of autistic kids whose symptoms improve when their diet is changed. And there is a genetic component to autism.
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I went to an ATO conference (Autism Treatment Options) in N.C. a few years ago when I was working with children with autism.  I'd  already gone wheat- and dairy-free myself by that time and could see the huge change in myself, that when all these doctors got up and were telling about how they're helping children just by changing their diets, I could vouch for it myself.  I think my brain started working after I went wheat-free.  Before I was just a jumbled mess of voices, music, "white noise" and general fog punctuated vividly by pain.  I'm thankful that for the most part it's changed.  

Mastre, can I ask you, off-topic, how you cope with the stress of everyday life with a child?  I suppose I have more noise than you, with three young children running around.  But it's a struggle hour by hour to stay on top of things and not want to cover my ears and run hide from all the noise.  People say I run my house in a very structured and organized manner, but I feel like it's utter chaos.  My brain is wired differently from most, and being "on the spectrum as well" (though not noticeably to most everybody), it can be a challenge to raise children.  Can you help?


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I'm reading a lot of threads saying folks have just discovered they're non-secretors, and I nearly didn't post this, but everyone's had such amazing welcomes that I had to.

So the results came in yesterday, and both my husband and I are nonnies (what are the chances of that?) He's A and I'm O, so he comes bouncing in from work last night with a list of new foods he wants for tea, and I've spent the day crying over the loss of all my favourites. On top of the loss of all my favourite avoids when I started this diet in January.   The addition of avocado did not make up for losing feta, mozzarella, soy milk, spelt, buckwheat, sugar, anchovies, chick peas, broad beans, oats, tofu, apples, apricots, dates, cinnamon and canola oil!

I went stomping out to the shops in resentment to buy yet more crazily expensive food, thinking why can't I be "normal" and eat what I want without any ill-effects?????

I feel better today, more positive. But I do have some questions.

The only sweeteners left seem to be molasses and vegetable glycerine (eta: and agave syrup), none of which anyone in Singapore seems to have heard of. Are they known by any other names?

What do O-nonnies do for flavouring? I used to use a lot of Tamari, but now that's out. There only seem to be salt, herbs and spices left.

How do O-nonnies make gravies without flour or flavouring? Or sauces without milk/soy milk?

The CR4YT doesn't seem to cater for nonnies. Has anyone got any good advice for how to stop dreading meal-times??!!

TIA!


Note to self: I am me, and also an O-nonnie - I'm allowed not to fit the mould.
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Lola
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that is great news!
nothing better than knowing about your individuality!

arrowroot or any compliant grain flour will do....
http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?33

vegetable glycerine and agave nectar as well as molasses....

VG you could find at a pharmacy......that s where I get mine here in Mex.....


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Welcome to the nonnie-club, Squirrel. I can share your frustration, I felt the same when I found out that I was a nonnie. I have adjusted in the meantime and it was not as difficult as I had thought.
For flour, I use rice flour, millet flour, amaranth flour or quinoa flour. I buy the amaranth as flour, but make the others myself.
I used to use quite a bit of tamari, but have since substituted it with my home-grown herbs. I also use a hand-harvested sea-salt imported from France which is very expensive, but which gives the food a subtle flavour.
As for sweeteners, I have not used any for a while, because I thought agave syrup was not available in Australia. However, after asking around, I found out that it is available so I bought a bottle - have not used it much though. One thing which I have used for sweetener is as follows: soak dried figs overnight in some water and use the fig-water as a sweetener. The soaked figs are delicious as well.
Again, welcome to the club!
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do the same with pears....


''Just follow the book, don't look for magic fixes to get you off the hook. Do the work.'' Dr.D.'98
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woooohoooo all the best to you both and a very warm welcome in our royal club

hey Madl, it's amazing how you life will change when eating compliantly to our *royal sursprise meals*
but after a while, I am more then persuaded today, we all recognized whithin days a biiig changements and amelioration
and you are going to feel likewise .....congrats for 2x non-sechi's


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Thanks everyone!

Just been out and found blackstrap molasses and agave syrup and rye flour, AND we've bought a bread maker and a mini-blender-thingie. Let the games begin!

I suppose you could soak any compliant dried fruit for the sweetness. I never thought of that. Just one thing though, O-nonnies aren't supposed to have fructose either, which is the stuff that makes fruit sweet isn't it? I'm guessing that the fructose avoid on the database is the refined sort? Otherwise we wouldn't be able to have any sweet fruit at all....?


Note to self: I am me, and also an O-nonnie - I'm allowed not to fit the mould.
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The is the first message ever for me well on this site.  I'm an o-non so I'm well aware of the changes needed to be made. As far as the fructose in fruit the fiber, phytochemicals vitamins etc I believe are balancing the negative effects. Pure sweeteners trigger candida and the like becaouse it is what they feed on.  O nons are susceptable to candidaisis.
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Welcome Mattamal!

Oh that's good, so I can still eat my nuts'n'raisins for my evening munchies in front of the telly.

You're right about the candidiasis. I was diagnosed with asymptomatic candidiasis, probably long term, at the beginning of this year. I had nearly 3 months with no wheat, fermented products, dairy or sugar (apart from the odd pineapple or watermelon) and that blatted it. I've been back on the fruit ever since, and I'm getting tested again at the beginning of the year. Because I don't get any symptoms, I feel I need to get checked out every now and then to make sure I'm still "clean".

Did you know you can go to the Member Centre and add your O-non avatar?


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Surprised and not so surprised.
I am happy to know that this is likely what my body has been trying to tell me. And kind of sad to see soy milk go for good.
Along with a few others.
Happy to know that my following the non secreter diet for the past couple of weeks and feeling better is NOT all in my head.
Now to change that secreter status.... ^_^


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There are a few foods like avocados that secretors can't eat, so enjoy.
There should be more folks along to support you here.

What part of WV are you from? I went to a small school 6 miles N of Beckley(near Bradley) 1968-71. The people in WV are nice, but the weather is depressing much of the year!
Sea Salt & Light,
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Thank you.
I'm in Keyser. It's in the eastern panhandle. Right on the boarder of MD. I enjoy it well enough. The land here has an energy to it... wonderful energy.
I had my first avacodo EVER yesterday. It's a refreshing taste.
I've been adjusting to the nonnie diet for the last couple of weeks.
I've been on the O diet for near two years. I was doing quite well.
Then I decided to cut sugar and certain carbs from my diet. (This was most of my rice bread, sugar of most types and soy...that was a flighty decision...just to see if I can thing)
I did that for a week, went back to eating my normal O diet and my body seemed to just crash. It was reacting to EVERYTHING. I was a mess. Not just the avoids EVERYTHING effected me. Ofcourse that was the compliant O secreter foods....
I came on here and read most of the nonnie posts, ordered the test and now here I am. A nonnie. It's still sinking in.


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Crimson...welcome to the nonnie club.  Sit right down and enjoy the company.  Any questions you have just ask away.  Someone will come along to help you out.

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Horray!  Welcome to the nonnie Clan!!  I was surprised, too, that I was a nonnie.  It really put the peices together why certain foods that were listed bennies were actually disagreeing with me!!
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Welcome again! I'm glad it's working so well & you are seeing results so fast! I also glad you didn't just give it up & think it's quackery.
About 3 years ago, I heard of a town called Ranson, WV & found it is at the edge of the panhandle. It seems that several health oriented groups mail their literature from there. Is there more of a health interest in your area?
Again, welcome to the board & I hope you post regularly.
We have some fun people here, esp. Peppermint Twist!!!!!
Cheers,
Mrs "T"   O+  


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I thank you as well!
I swear this town is two hours away from EVERYTHING. hah
I'm not sure that people are any more or less health oriented here than anywhere else. I know that our grandmothers still tell us to use this and that home remedy. Onions for example will kick bronchitis out in no time! *it does work*
I would LIKE to think that having more contact with nature would help people here to know that the earth does supply what your body needs far better than any man made medicine. *my humble opinion* And that may be why people who think this way are drawn to WV. If anything it is abundant in nature.
Then again, most of the people that I encounter are not exactly normal... Law of attraction, you know. ^_^


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