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Cynthia
Tuesday, August 21, 2007, 3:36am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Ok!  So now I am a non sectetor  Someone please give me a chocolate chip cookie recipe.  It says that I can now have coconut, yay!  I love coconut. Can I also have coconut milk?  Gotta make ice-cream.  Can I use pear juice for sweetener?  How about pizza crust?  Looks like I'm off on a new adventure.
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only coconut oil, I believe, sorry!
check typebase!
join the club now!

you could try some nutflour cookies instead of using grain flour..
kamut is another option.


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diffy
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Now where's the grand I was betting on?

Just got back results, took only one week via online, and not surprisingly am a nonnie. So now I can really get down to business and start looking forward to impoved health and possibly kiss my fibromyalgia good-bye!

Is there a concise list of all bennies and neutrals for o'nonnies?

And what about the tiers? I never understood how that works.

Do I have to again fetch the book from my library or can I find all the info I need somewhere on this site?


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Don
Monday, August 27, 2007, 2:41pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Quoted from diffy
Is there a concise list of all bennies and neutrals for o'nonnies?

And what about the tiers? I never understood how that works.

Do I have to again fetch the book from my library or can I find all the info I need somewhere on this site?

The lists are in the books, but the information is in Typebase.

The Tiers do not apply to non-secretors, just use the food values as indicated.



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Becky
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Also, wouldn't hurt to get an O Nonnie card, but do it over the phone.  I just run around scribbling on my books.  I'll try to find a few posted lists here too for you.

Welcome to the club Diffy !!  
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Quoted from diffy
Now where's the grand I was betting on?

Just got back results, took only one week via online, and not surprisingly am a nonnie. So now I can really get down to business and start looking forward to impoved health and possibly kiss my fibromyalgia good-bye!

Is there a concise list of all bennies and neutrals for o'nonnies?

And what about the tiers? I never understood how that works.

Do I have to again fetch the book from my library or can I find all the info I need somewhere on this site?

First of all, forget the tiers, they do not apply to nonnies.*  Secondly, yay:  yes there is a concise list of all the beneficials, neutrals and avoids for non-secretors.  In fact, it is only in Dr. D.'s first book on the BTD (ER4YT) is the diet not refined to show the non-secretor food values.  So if you refer to "Live Right for Your Type" (LR4YT) or any of the later books, the nonnie values are in there!*

Also, right on this site in Typebase4, the non-secretor values are listed.*

Welcome to the Royal Order of Nonnies, Diffy!  I shall greet you with the password from the Royal Order of Water Buffalo (from The Flintstones):

Ack ack a dack, dack dack a ack!  

You have now been officially welcomed!  

* edited to add:  props to Don, I just noticed he said that first in this thread.


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Hey diffy...Welcome.  And I see you have been greeted warmly to the nonnie club and already have a seat with us.     The typebase (for food values)at the top of this page is the most updated along with Live Right, but I would agree getting a nonnie wallet card from NAP is your best bet.  Maybe even two or three to tuck in here and there.  As stated above...the tier system does not apply to us.   Less hassle.   Try and stay away from as many grains as possible...even the good ones until you can figure out which ones effect you.  Sugars...as Ron-O-Non states are our poisons.

Again...welcome and don't forget to visit the nonnie clubhouse threads.

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Thank you all for your warm welcomes! If I don't have the book home is there anywhere online I can find the list of bennies and neutrals? What's the food value thing you're talking about?

"Food value" just refers to the BTD classification system that you are familiar with of beneficial, neutral, or avoid, which are "values" that can be assigned to a particular food.


When on line, the way to find out a food's value/status as beneficial, neutral or avoid is to click on the specific food you are wondering about in the Typebase database on this site.  There you will find the most up-to-date "values" for each food.

Has this helped or totally confused ya?  




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diffy
Monday, August 27, 2007, 10:22pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Has helped!

Those wallet cards you're talking about...I could use one right around now! Is there a copy of it lying around online, by any chance? It'll take me a while to get the book from the library or the wallet card from Nap.
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The wallet card is only like 5 bucks or so, and I love mine. Actually doesn't take up as much room in my wallet as my good-fer-nuthin' credit cards!
Getting the card - you'd have it in a few days, less than a week, AND it's laminated to last 4-ever. Comes in ever so handy at restaurants & grocery & health-food stores....
It takes up a lot less room than the lists I used to carry around...
How did I get this far and forget/not know that the tiers don't apply to moi?
Hey, Nonnie nonnie!


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Curious
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I finally got my test results today and it turns out that I am a non-secretor. I had suspected it - but hoped that I was a secretor. Now I'll go and buy 5 kg of avocados tomorrow and eat them all in one go [lol].
From what I have read it seems that non-secretors are much more vulnerable to illnesses. Are there any advantages of being a non-secretor?  
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O-nonnies don't have the problems with very thin blood like regular O's do.  
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We tend to be better looking, smarter, wittier, more popular at parties...and quite delusional!

Actually, I believe that we just eat different foods, but have heard in some places that we are more vulnerable to auto-immune diseases. Hope I am wrong in this although I suffer from two in my life.


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Laughing at Howard!

Curious, it is wonderful that you found out your status. I think that just knowing this is such an advantage. I have never felt better since following the non sec. guidelines. I prefer to think like Tomatilla, that we are Royal and thus quit a sensitive group......and a touch delusional...
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Hi,

In my practice I have a family consisting of 2 NON-secretors, mother type Ononnie, and the father type Anonnie.
They have 4 children: 2 A non-secretors and 1 Ononsecretor and 1 A-SECRETOR!!!
The whole family sent in their salivatests... and this was the result..  

I just gathered that if both parents tested NONNIES that all the offspring is supposed to be nonnie as well.. How can it be that one kid is Secretor??
I am puzzled... Is perhaps the double Lewis negative involved here???

Hope anyone has an explanation..

Cocky

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but lets not shake up a whole family....
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I've been learning about young red wines (thank you, exj-j) and back to enjoying avocados....
I was really shocked to see I was a nonnie, but eventually embraced it
The more I stick to the O nonnie diet the better I feel!
Enjoy your new warm seat!


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Quoted from Curious

From what I have read it seems that non-secretors are much more vulnerable to illnesses. Are there any advantages of being a non-secretor?  


Hi Curious, and welcome to the club!    I have an answer to your question, and perhaps it only relates to me (but I don't think so):

Since we non-secretors are more sensitive to avoids, usually reacting more quickly and negatively to them, we can become extremely motivated to adhere to our blood type program.  This compliancy quickly can shift the scales in our favor, thus allowing us to by-pass many of the health problems that nonnies can be susceptible to.

I followed the BTD for several years before I had my saliva tested.  So I ate as a secretor.  I did experience some benefits, but not like I do now, of course.  When I thought I was a secretor, I was much more loose about interpreting how I defined compliant.  I ate more neutrals than I do now, and fewer beneficials.  I also was willing to eat several avoids each week.  I have changed my approach greatly!

I eat virtually no avoids now, and my meals are mostly beneficials (75%), with neutrals being eaten just for additional nutritional value and variety.  The way my health has stabilized, and my immune system has become dependable, are signs to me that being a non-secretor has given me the reality check to really work the program in a way that I never did (as a secretor).    



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Curious
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Quoted from Howard
We tend to be better looking, smarter, wittier, more popular at parties...


I really like that one! Thanks everyone for your warm welcome
Victoria, it is interesting that you say that we are more sensitive to avoids and react more quickly and negatively to them. A few days ago (when I did not have my results) I bought some organic sheep milk yoghurt and ate about 2 tablespoon in the evening. I had no reaction the next day and thought, that maybe, I am a secretor after all. The next evening I ate 3 tablespoon of the sheep milk yoghurt. I awoke the next morning with severe stomach/bowel cramps. It was so bad, I only had some papaya for breakfast. By lunchtime I was better and had some chicken curry which some friends had made for me (no avoids in that) and at dinner I had some pineapple because I still did not feel like eating much. The following day I was fine.
This reaction showed me how important it is to avoid the avoids!  
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If both parents are truly non-secretors and the gene is recessive, well, the only way that a child could possess a secretor gene that neither parent has to give is...

...Do I really have to come out and say it?  

(I'm just glad that these things don't just happen to me.)
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Curious, welcome to the clubhouse!  And we are all of the lovely things Howard has said about us.  And yes, the advantages of being a nonnie are eating more red meat  .

I too have heard that we are especially vulnerably to auto-immune diseases.  And I probably have one myself, just not officially diagnosed.

However, when I go to the store for food, I still walk by the soy milk and say UMMMM, that sounds good.  Then I remember I am of Royal blood and say.....OOPS, nevermind.

Anyway it is nice to have you here....I am off to the lumber store to build more benches and make our table bigger!!
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The salivary secretor test is 95% accurate.  I would contact the lab for retesting prior to suggesting a different father or hospital mixup (another good reason to avoid the hospital ).  

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I just viewed my test result on the web. Didnt think I would be surprised if I turned out to be a non-secretor, but it still brought on a strong emotion. It makes so much sense! A history of dental problems, yeast infections, allergy...Sensory issues which I recently learned are common with nonnies. I wonder how my autism connects to this; have a strong feeling it does in some way.

My daughter seem to have inherited a lot of traits, including the above problems, from me, so I need to have her secretor status tested as well. However having her drool 3 ml clear liquid into a test tube is not realistic right now. I will have to work with the safe foods and see how she reacts.
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Mastre,

I'm currently of the line of thinking that the biggest part of being a non-secretor is that, since your body doesn't use dietary carbohydrates to mass-produce the carbohydrate chains that are secreted blood type antigens, that it doesn't have nearly the use for the levels of dietary carbs that a secretor's body does.

For the most part, you can avoid most of the major difficulties that are associated with being a nonnie by realizing this and getting most of your required energy from animal proteins, fats, and vegetable sources.
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congratulations!
knowledge is power!!

I have successfully converted two allergologists, both owners of genetic labs, one in Croatia and the other in Spain.
they both have implemented the secretor testing in their labs now, and both turned up being non secretors!!!

Dr D has had the ball on his side of the court for so long now......and the best is yet to come!!


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