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Ronagon
Friday, August 3, 2007, 6:06am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Since nonnies have a hard time breaking down cholesterol and oils, are we supposed to be restricting them in our diet?  

If a nonnie eats too many oily foods, what happens?
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Oil=bad news for this nonnie.

Lethargy. Bloatedness. Greasy skin. Weight gain. Atkins was a complete disaster for me (a fun disaster, though. Cheese-filled sausages and fatty foods galore!)


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...how about the greasy part of the bone marrow? Is it ok for Nonnies?

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I should hope so!
cause I love it! lol


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Ronagon
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But aren't oils essential for our bodies?

If we're nonnies, doesn't that mean that we have to eat more oils, to compensate for what isn't being transported into our cells?
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I just love my olive oil, a bit of ghee & walnutoil and that's it...if not I won't loose my bearahem
likewise Ron-0-Non is showing us .....oooh how sweet he is
THE BEAR.....

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But aren't oils essential for our bodies?  

If we're nonnies, doesn't that mean that we have to eat more oils, to compensate for what isn't being transported into our cells?

Yes, oils are important.

If your statement was correct then nonnies would need to eat more oils than secretors and that is not what Dr. D recommends.



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individuality again......
my body tells me when I ve had too much!


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...forgot to mention, I changed to 1000 mg's of primrose oil...in the morning to get my chot flashes
into my grip .....no more fish oil because I've got blue prints onto my arms ...seems to be too much ....yep .....
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ricardo
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Hey, All

Thanks for the warm welcome.

Maybe fat IS important. I'm not sure oil is so important. It's concentrated and distilled, much like fruit juice.

If we can't break down the fat, where does it go? Feces? Urine? Skin, maybe? All dietary components need an exit.

Of course, I'm an AB non-secretor. Cursed be the uniqueness. Blessed be the uniqueness!


Ricardo



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Let's at least stick with beneficial oils and pay close attention to our bodies as far as how much is too much.



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Hi folks,

oils and fats are extremely important, but they seem to be digested best if these are somehow complexed chemically or mixed thoroughly with something when eaten ... as an O, I tend to digest oils like ghee or olive oil when mixed with nutritional yeast and lecithin and/or raw onion.  Fish oils are much easier to digest as part of the fish than as pills.

EPO(evening primrose oil) may be best as taken part of soaked evening primrose seeds or as part of the Budwig cream.   Instead of just flax oil + quark maybe we can use a blend of oils [flax oil + EPO + quark] for B's and AB's ???? maybe


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Ronagon
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MoDon,

So Dr. D recommends nonnies having LESS oils than secretors?  I don't remember reading that anywhere...
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Look at the frequency values for oils in the books.


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ricardo
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It seems like the frequency tables are a good place to start. They've certainly helped me.

I'm curious as to recommendation variations. What's the difference, lets say, between an inactive 200 pound person versus an active 160 pound person? Could the difference be wide even within the same blood type and secretor status? Maybe Dr. D's new book will offer clues.

Ten years ago I read a book by Roger Williams about genetic variation. One of the charts showed the dramatic differences among individual stomach shapes. Maybe each of us is an unique case study?

Ricardo

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Oh, I see now.  Good eye.

But the problem I see, is that I've heard that having not enough oils, can cause problems with things like your digestion, your joints, and nerve functioning.  

Are nonnies just supposed to put up with these things?
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Hey Ron -

I love oil.  Unfortunately, oil doesn't love me so much.  If I want to maintain a decent weight I need to go low-fat.

I do take 2.5 grams of EPA/DHA a day but have cut back on both olive oil and ghee.    Bummer.  


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What are some of the symptoms that you all have when the body says, "too much oil", ?. And...after what amount does it give you those signals?
I am trying to cut down on my ghee and olive oil but still use way more than what I am suppose to be using. It would be helpful to understand what some of you are seeing or experiencing.
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madhu7
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...it almost sounds like nonnies were not supposed to be alive!

I used to enjoy lavish servings of extra virgin olive oil and realized that I had to cut back...I can't even tell you what symptom brought the change...

what should we put on our vegies and salads....what?
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Too much fat makes my hip joints ache.  I get the message and cut back.
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I probably eat more than the recommended servings of fat/oils and have no problem with this...  Most of my fat is eaten as food itself or complexed with other foods (meat, eggs, flax oil in my smoothie, nuts), so perhaps that is

Clearly an individualized thing.  An ideally healthy digestive tract should be able to handle fat - bile is a key component for emulsification here, so inability to digest fats could indicate a congested gall bladder.  Then there are lipase enzymes, which should be produced sufficiently in an ideal world...  

Also, lecithin can help emulsify fats and reduce cholesterol.


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Kate,

If my gallbladder is congested, what could un-congest it?
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- Blood type diet with particular emphasis on establishing and maintaining good digestive health
- Good type O non lifestyle (exercise, rest, balance blood sugar, strengthen immune system)
- Reduce stress (hard on the liver, which produces bile)
- Gallbladder/liver flushes to expel stones
- Anti-candida diet if candida is possibly an issue - personally, I think it could benefit most nonnies (especially Os) to do a candida diet and anti-candida protocol at least once (meaning for at least a month or two)

You're a naturopathic student, so you can go do some research if you want more ideas.  


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Oh, and try supplementing with lecithin (I like it in my smoothies - makes them extra yummy) and ensure you get enough fibre (which can bind bile to prevent its recycling which in turn can help reduce cholesterol).


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Kate,

Well, I've been doing all those things... so maybe I just need to cut down on certain foods.  I'm sure everything will be fine.
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I am similar to others as well, must watch the ghee=weight gain, but a tablespoon of flax/day and Evening Primrose seems to work well for me.  I'll cook a bit with olive when it's not so hot.  Try some things Ronnie-o-nonnie and see if you can feel the difference.

MoDon, how do you do with the oils.  

And of course as someone mentioned, follow the portions in Live Right although I've found you may need to adjust them to your needs.  Take care.  CB.


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MoDon, how do you do with the oils.

Remember that I am a secretor so my comments don't really apply to the nonnie aspect of this thread.

Since for most of my life I did not eat properly doing such foolish things as following the standard low-fat diet advice and using all sorts of vegetable oils that are avoids for my type and hydrodgenated oils, I now probably over consume extra virgin olive oil in hopes that it will give my body plenty of the proper lipid building blocks to replace and repair all the damage that was previously done.

I don't notice any problem with using as much olive oil as I want, which at times I think is quite a bit. I probably consume almost all of it with meals that contain protein, which is supposed to stimulate IAP release.

I try not to over-do ghee. I think when I do it tends to add to weight gain. The worst for me seems to be if I start eating a couple of toasted rice cakes a day smothered in ghee. They sure are good, but by the end of the package of rice cakes I will notice my stomach muscles have disappeared behind a layer of fat. The combination of too many high GI carbs and too much fat as a late afternoon snack appears to be the perfect recipe for fat gain.

I don't worry about eating as many walnuts and pumpkin seeds as I want. I also eat plenty of fish weekly and try to eat grass fed lamb and beef to improve the quality of my lipid intake.

I have done a lot of liver flushes (something like 35), went through a 5 lb bag of lecithin the last couple of years, off and on for a while used various supplement and things like dandelion tea, and regularly eat artichokes on my salad to support my liver and improve bile flow. Along with the being compliant on the BTD maybe all these things have improved my ability to handle reasonable amounts of healthy lipids.


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I have found recently that I get nausea if I have too much ghee or olive oil or even oily fish. If that mean a congested gallbladder, I guess I need to keep my fiber intake up and keep taking lecithin?

My naturopath gave me Ichol by Genestra which is to help the liver and gallbladder. I had to stop taking it and need to reintroduce it slowly. I was to take 2 at 2 times a day and it is too strong on my intestines. I am hoping this will help my congestion problem. I also need to take Betain HCL but need to be careful not to take too much of that either depending on the meal.

Listening to our bodies is a balancing act when told to do certain protocols. My experience is that I cannot introduce everything to my body at once or I don't know what is causing a reaction.

When I forget about oil quantities, my body quickly tells me so and it doesn't feel good at all.

I think as we age it gets worse!


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I'm in agreement.  Introducing one variable at time makes sense for this A NS etc.  And I also have found that the aging process affects how the body responds.  Thankfully for the Live Right Book and all those after.  Determining I am a NS make all the difference.  Take care.  CB.


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I think I said and 'all the others after' Live Right.  Believe me, I've read them all.  CB


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