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napa4us
Friday, June 29, 2007, 10:26pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Hi everyone!  

I was just wondering about fruit.  I am currently eating pineapple or a banana in the morning.  I seem to do okay, but still have an anxiety attach every time I eat it.  You see,  I have been on the Atkins diet or Meat and Egg diet on and off for years.  I am afraid of all fruit and sweet potatoes too!!

Also, does anyone snack in the afternoon??  Can you give me any ideas!!

Thanks!
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fruit is excellent in the mornings....why are you letting Atkins give you anxiety attacks about fruit

Walnuts fresh out of the shell is a good snack in the afternoon


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I save all my concentrated carbs such as fruit, sweets, grains, and starches until late afternoon/evening.


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I would put the Atkins Diet aside from my mind.  

I'll grant you that he hit the nail considerably on the head for Type O's, but his diet is a sheer disaster for A's and just about everyone else.  

The man recommended pork rinds as a routine snack, for God's sake.  He might just as well have recommended blood letting and skull trephination.  

Also, he did eventually keel over shovelling snow in his driveway, you know.  I can't help but wonder if he was a Type A, B, or AB...




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The man recommended pork rinds as a routine snack, for God's sake.  He might just as well have recommended blood letting and skull trephination.


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Thanks for all your replies.  I know, I know I should forget about atkin's, but he helped me so much!!  I was a real mess before him.  I was a VEGAN and felt lousy.  I could not figure out why I felt so bad.  Now I know.

I still have serious problems with my gut, brain fog, depression, anxiety and the list goes on.  I am going to give ER4YT my all.  I want to feel better, I am sure like everyone else.  I will let you know how I progress.

Thanks again!!

P.S.  any menus you can pass on??
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Congrats on getting away from being a vegan. I think (I think) O-nonnies are the most meat-needing of us all!
I agree that just-shelled walnuts are a great portable snack.
Actually, I prefer to "snack" on cubes of rare beef, or cold salmon or sardines or salmon out of a can.


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I have a problem digesting walnuts...  I wish I could eat them!!  But they hurt my stomach every time.  
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napa4us, welcome! You have made the best move for your health! There are many ex-vegans and vegetarians, (myself inc.) who are finally getting the nutrition they need....your diet will be more" paleo" than mine, as I a,m a secretor and can have more carbs, or different kinds, such as grains and goat cheese once in a while ...whereas nonnies can have avocadoes!! Lucky! keep reading the boards, you will learn much!
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napa,

Okay, I was a little harsh back there, but I'm still glad that Atkins did help you so much.  However, there are significant problems with it, even for O's.
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I have a problem digesting walnuts...  I wish I could eat them!!  But they hurt my stomach every time.  



Have you tried soaking them in water overnight?

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I enjoy a fresh pear or a glass of pineapple juice in the afternoon. An alternative is dark chocolate, at least 70% real cocoa!


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Thanks Debra for the info on walnuts, I will try it.  As for walnuts, how many are in a serving for nonnies. I know we need to watch our fat intake.

We went out and did a lot of things with friends this weekend... my coffee friends.  They think I am crazy not drinking coffee.  I was the coffee snob girl, I always had a big mug with me every where I went.  I am trying to like tea, but  having a hard time with it!!  Any good tea alternatives?

Thanks for everyone's help!  I really feel welcome to this group!
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I am trying to like tea, but  having a hard time with it!!  Any good tea alternatives?


If you've tried green tea and don't really care for it, try it with 1/2 tsp of unsweetened cocoa powder and 1 tsp of ghee. Pretty darn good (imo). Nothing I've found completely takes the place of coffee, though. You could also try roasted chickory root. I sometimes mix that in with my coffee (hey, I'm an A) 1:1. Both are bennies for me.


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There are wonderful white/green tea blends that are not as bitter as green alone.  Perhaps you are letting it steep too long?

Also, LOVE your fruit and sweet potatos!!!  Cherries are finally in season and are a wonderful quickie snack.  I have also found that pineapple and cherry juice with soda or seltzer water is very refreshing and a wonderful replacement for people who lived on sodas.

You may have to spend a few weeks fighting the atkins thing, but pretty soon, your body will tell you exactly what to eat...you just have to listen for it.
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OOPS, also......Welcome to the BTD and the boards !!

Silly me, must have been in a hurry trying to not be too late getting off to work !!
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Becky,  I tried the seltzer water and pineapple juice today and about spit it out.  What ratio to you mix it, I think I put to much seltzer in.  Maybe I will get some cherry juice and try it.  

I have eaten cherries everyday!! I love them... on Atkins it is a no no.  I love being able to eat fruit again, I just need to make sure I don't over do it!  

Thanks!!

P.S.  I have noticed in the last couple of days my stomach doesn't hurt after a meal.  This is wonderful!!!!!!!  I usually could feel exactly where my food was as it was digesting.  It is worth it!!  It is worth it!!  I don't need coffee!!  I don't need coffee!!

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You only need a little soda in the fruit juice......pretty much just to make it bubbly.  Personally, I have a 32 oz cup I fill with about 3/4 of a cup of soda.....the rest is for ice and juice.  

Just experiment with it.  I find it refreshing because it is not as sweet and heavy as juice can be.

Next glass you make, just us a good size splash and go from there.
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Becky..  thanks I will try that.  I haven't had much luck finding a juice I like.  When I go to the store I am going to look for cherry juice.

I am having a hard time with fruit in general.  When I start eating it, I can't stop.  I get huge cravings for it all day.  Yesterday I bought a couple of pounds of cherries and I  ate almost all of them myself.  I have no self control.  I had an eating disorder growing up and I hate feeling out of control.  I think I will lay off the fruit for a few days and let the cravings subside.

I hope everyone has a great day!!  We are going to Lake Powell (southern UT) this weekend and I am packing all my beneficial foods!!  
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This is a trick that works for me...prune juice. Half a cup in the morning before breakfast; it gives me my carbs for the meal when I am trying to drop a couple of lbs, also I like the taste. If you have a sensitive gut, try to cut the glass 50/50 with water.


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napa,
try a slice of compliant protein every time you feel a craving.....it works!

but first drink a large glass of water........just in case it is only dehydration....our body has many cries for water!

have you read the book?
"Your Body's  Many Cries For Water"
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Howard,
Thanks for the info on prune juice.  I like it too.  Does it stop the cravings for more fruit?  I have been on some type of ketosis diet for so long, these cravings kinda scare me.

Lola,  Thanks for the info on protein snacks for cravings.  I am cooking up some non- hormone beef right now and some hard boiled eggs.
I haven't read the book about water.  I will look for it at my library.  
I want to thank you for helping me.  I don't know where you store all the knowledge you give.  You are truely a blessing to many!!

Have a great night everyone!!
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you are very welcome!

the search feature on your left, in the homepage is a great gadget!

and so are all the archives at our disposal since 97!

ask away......we all love to learn together.


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I find the prune juice cuts my cravings for more fruit. The spike in sugar followed by the inevitable drop later on is what drives me to eat more fruit, although the prune juice doesn't seem to affect me in that manner. Maybe having a glass before a meal is the trick as the meal settles down the blood sugar spike. In fact I think I'll have some now, followed by breakfast.


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Hi napa4us, nice to meet you!

Regarding fruit--you might try a handful of nuts or some nut butter dip along with whatever fruit you're munching. If walnuts give you tummy rumbles, try Lola's suggestion of soaking them overnight. I do this with my walnuts and almonds and they no longer cause problems for me. Soak the nuts overnight, rinse, and spread out on a cookie sheet on paper towels to air-dry. I like to toast mine in a mix of ghee and light olive oil in my cast-iron skillet, then eat them whole or grind in a blender to make nut butter. There's nothing like walnut butter dip with pear slices or black cherries! Almond butter dip and peaches are delicious too.

The suggestion to save sugar or starches for later in the day is a good one. Carbohydrates are a sort of natural sedative. You might try eating a small amount of fruit a couple of hours after your evening meal. Measure out a specific amount and put the rest of the fruit away. I usually limit myself to half a cup of cherries, blueberries, pear or apple slices, etc and 2-3 tablespoons of dip. It doesn't sound like much, but once you measure it out it's a lot! That way you are not as tempted to keep eating.

You might try Peppermint Twist's recipe for a natural soda that's refreshing and hydrating. She calls it Edna's Berry Berry Good Soda: mix together a teaspoon of elderberry concentrate or Proberry, some blueberry, black cherry or pomegranate juice, and some pineapple or pear juice. Top off with Gerolsteiner, Pellegrino or seltzer and enjoy!

Hope this helps. Welcome to the board! I look forward to your posts.


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Napa, you sound like you could be related to me and my sister!!  There are some wonderful people on these boards that are always "right there" to point you in the right direction.

I have learned to put my fruit as a last minute dessert with my lunch and dinner.  After eating my meat and veggies I almost always have a few prunes, cherries, or what not.  Also since it is 115 degrees out here, coming home to some chilled fruit in the evenings is a real treat!!
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I am having a hard time with fruit in general.  When I start eating it, I can't stop.  I get huge cravings for it all day.  Yesterday I bought a couple of pounds of cherries and I  ate almost all of them myself.  I have no self control.  I had an eating disorder growing up and I hate feeling out of control.  I think I will lay off the fruit for a few days and let the cravings subside.

I hope everyone has a great day!!  We are going to Lake Powell (southern UT) this weekend and I am packing all my beneficial foods!!  

Welcome, napa4us!!!  You know, I read your other thread about being diagnosed with endometriosis and also this thread and maybe this will help you:  just remember that, while other diets and advice about diets are what Dr. D. terms "reductionist", i.e., one-size-fits-all, this diet is customized to YOUR individual biological makeup.  So, when you read something like "red meat is bad", "fruit is bad", "fat is bad", "carbs are bad", "carbs are good", or whatever, remember that those types of blanket statements do NOT apply to everyone, we aren't that simple as a species.  Try to filter what you read and hear from now on through the critical eye of someone who is armed with information about your appropriate blood type diet.

About the fruit, beneficial fruits are excellent for Type O's.  They provide us with vitamins, minerals, enzymes, "chi" (life force/living energy), phytonutrients, fiber and natural sugars and provide excellent balance for our meats and vegetables.  Last but not least, they are a far, far better choice for us than refined grains, and I find if I eat fruit, I don't need grains nearly as much.  I'm glad Atkins helped you, but now you are taking it to the next level and don't be afraid to let go of some of the conventional Atkins "wisdom", like basically that fruit is something to be feared, because fruit is so, so, SO beneficial for you, imho.  ENJOY that pineapple, girl!!!!

Again, welcome and I know this is all a lot to take in.  You are making a lot of changes at once and it can seem overwhelming but just hang in there!!!  About the expense, it really evens out because while you are right, you pay more for things like hormone-free red meat, you are saving because you aren't buying any over-packaged junky stuff, you are getting mainly whole, natural foods.  Also, since this diet is very nutrient-dense and high-quality, you will find that you actually eat somewhat less food overall than you did before.

One last thing:  you mention that, once you eat fruit, you want more and more.  One very, VERY helpful trick I've learned over the years about quelling cravings for carbs:  Be absolutely SURE to ingest enough PROTEIN over the course of the day and especially at meals in which you are also eating refined carbs/grains, as well as at breakfast.  Starting the day off with protein steadies your blood sugar.  Then eating a little with each meal (ideally) will help keep cravings from being triggered or getting too out of control.  I usually don't find that fruit triggers cravings, for me it is the refined starchy carbs (grains!  potato chips!).  But if you do find that you tend to overeat fruit, ask yourself if you have had enough protein in that day before you ate the fruit.  If not, that could be your answer.

Okay, I've thrown enough at ya for one post!  



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OMG!!  You guys are so awesome!!  Thank you so much for all the information.  I just got back from Lake Powell and I had all of these wonderful messages.  I feel so encouraged.  My trip was fun.  I cooked up a whole bunch of hamburger and boiled eggs for snacks.  We had hamburgers (hormone free of course) the first night, salmon the next and steaks the next.  I didn't even gain one pound.

I have not been eating fruit, still a little freaked out.  But after reading these messages I think I will start again....  slowly!!

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great to have you back safe!


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According to food combination rules, fruit should be eaten on an empty stomach.  I eat it in the morning & after eating other foods, don't go back to it.
Mixing fruit with other foods can cause stomach upset & it supposedly affects the absorption of foods.  Juicy fruits can be eaten with nuts or dairy, but we Os stay away from dairy.
Don't agonize about certain foods.  Keep the priotein & veggies high.  Add olive oil to make you feel full.  I need it!  I have a voracious appetite.
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I would put the Atkins Diet aside from my mind.  

I'll grant you that he hit the nail considerably on the head for Type O's, but his diet is a sheer disaster for A's and just about everyone else.  

The man recommended pork rinds as a routine snack, for God's sake.  He might just as well have recommended blood letting and skull trephination.  

Also, he did eventually keel over shovelling snow in his driveway, you know.  I can't help but wonder if he was a Type A, B, or AB...





This women (another nurse) at work is on the Atkins Diet.  For lunch she was eating hot dogs, processed cheese, and sugar free jello.  I told her Dr. Atkins died from his own diet, and another nurse chimed in for her saying "Well, if it works, who cares?".  I could only laugh to myself, thinking..."and these are healthcare professionals saying and doing this?!?!"

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One last thing:  you mention that, once you eat fruit, you want more and more.  One very, VERY helpful trick I've learned over the years about quelling cravings for carbs:  Be absolutely SURE to ingest enough PROTEIN over the course of the day and especially at meals in which you are also eating refined carbs/grains, as well as at breakfast.  Starting the day off with protein steadies your blood sugar.  Then eating a little with each meal (ideally) will help keep cravings from being triggered or getting too out of control.  I usually don't find that fruit triggers cravings, for me it is the refined starchy carbs (grains!  potato chips!).  But if you do find that you tend to overeat fruit, ask yourself if you have had enough protein in that day before you ate the fruit.  If not, that could be your answer.


This is very helpful!  I think I overdue the fruit also!

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didn t he slip on ice and bang his head or something?


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Yes, I was going to say that.  He fell down & later died of his injuries.  It was too bad. It would have been interesting to see how long he lived if he died of 'natural causes.'
Years ago I heard him interviewed on the radio. I think he wanted the super high protein & fat at the beginning of the diet to control the appetite & then later add a few carbs until the person found the point at which they could maintain a good weight.
I have a voracious appetite & understand that it needs a lot of protein & fat to control it.  I'm sure Dr. Atkins didn't want folks to live on processed cheeses, bacon, etc. all their lives.  But to get the appetite under control, it may work.
He also said the diet was designed for the sedentary lives we live.
Many people today don't have the option of having a job with the pefect activity levels.  Many have to support families & have to work some boring office jobs.
How do they get that appetitie under control? This may start. Of course the BTD is best, but it wasn't always known.  Now it is. Now we can go on.
The Atkins has some components of the O diet & food combinations. It workd to a degree.  But aren't we glad to be BTDin' all the way!???
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there s nothing better than variety!!
and all working together in harmony for the good of your cells and thus your health!


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Actually, given my lifestyle at work, I have found that I eat far less food and enjoy every bite of it.  We only get 20 minute breaks every hour with no lunch hour given.  About every 3 to 4 hours I have a meal of meat, veggies and some sweet potatos ( helps the lack of traditional carbs).  In between I might munch on some prunes or pumpkin seeds just to keep my blood sugar level.  I absolutely love the way I feel eating the right way.  
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2 hrs and 40 minute break in 8 hrs.  You must do strenuous work.  Do you want to share what you do.
Great you feel good and keep you sugar level in balance, doing what you do.
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