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Shane Girl
Monday, June 25, 2007, 5:57pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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I'm not feeling real thrilled today, I just received my secretor test results, and was disappointed see non-secretor as my test results.  It feels somewhat like a life prison sentence right now...

Feeling hungry after a bike ride, I went to the kitchen to get some breakfast, and thought...well, so much for soymilk to put on my puffed rice and so much for honey. Luckily I have rice milk and raisins...but oh wait there is safflower oil in the rice milk (I realize it's an avoid for all O, but after finding out my secretor test it was even more frustrating, especially since my soymilk was nothing but soy and water ).  So...what do I put I my puffed rice?  Seltzer water?

Right now it seems like everything I could eat has some avoid in it, and who's got time for making everything from scratch, especially being a full time nurse, and a student?  Another frustration I have is how much of a pain in the butt do I have to be while staying at people's homes while on vacation, or when I do my medical missions next summer, how picky of an eater can I be when I'm serving people who don't have life basics, like food, shelter, or medical care? **Ok...breath**  I just had to get that out.

How do all of you incorporate this wonderful diet into your life, without it consuming all of your time, and controlling your life.  It could easily become as obsession, and that's not healthy for anyone.

 I need to pout for a little bit  

Pouty Pouty Shane Girl  

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 So...what do I put on my puffed rice?


I really like pineapple juice on my cereal...sounds weird, but is tasty.

Sorry to hear your pain. And even though I'm not a nonnie, I can certainly empathize with your frustrations.


It is not my responsibility to convince anyone of anything.

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Quoted from Shane
I'm not feeling real thrilled today, I just received my secretor test results, and was disappointed see non-secretor as my test results.

In the immortal words of the trash bag ad:  "Don't get mad, get glad!"  Time for my newly thought up (as of today) New Nonnie Welcoming Chant:

Hey nonnie nonnie HOOOOOOOOO!
Hey nonnie nonnie HUUUUUUUU!
Hey nonnie nonnie YOOOOOOOO!
hey non, we welcome YOUUUUUUUU!

Quoted from Shane
It feels somewhat like a life prison sentence right now...

Feeling hungry after a bike ride, I went to the kitchen to get some breakfast, and thought...well, so much for soymilk to put on my puffed rice and so much for honey.

No worries, mate!  Agave nectar is every bit as fabulous and versatile as honey.  I like a brand called Sweet Cactus Farms (and I like the dark variety).  But there are lots of brands and most health food stores have this.  A nonnie-friendly sweetener, oh YEEEAH, babe!  As for your cereal topping instead of soymilk, have you ever considered a fruit juice such as 100% pineapple* or black cherry?  Seriously, they work really well, are beneficial, AND delicious!
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Another frustration I have is how much of a pain in the butt do I have to be while staying at people's homes while on vacation, or when I do my medical missions next summer, how picky of an eater can I be when I'm serving people who don't have life basics, like food, shelter, or medical care? **Ok...breath**  I just had to get that out.

Well, I ain't gonna sugar-coat it (sugar is an avoid for us anyway *lol*):  it is challenging when out and about, be it at restaurants or friends' houses or, I'm guessing, when on medical missions.  In those situations, the mantra should be "just do the best I can".  You sometimes cannot be perfect or ideal with compliance, it is that simple.  One cool thing is that the aforementioned agave nectar does NOT need to be refrigerated, so it is portable, yay!
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How do all of you incorporate this wonderful diet into your life, without it consuming all of your time, and controlling your life.  It could easily become as obsession, and that's not healthy for anyone.

Again, just do the best you can.  That is all any of us can do, secretor or non.  True, the secries get all the luck, or the lion's share of it, anyway.  No, actually, I'm kidding about that because, truly, as with the BTD in general:  once you learn what the alternatives are for your nonnie type, it becomes a lot easier to be highly compliant, especially at home.

I'm about to make some quinoa tabouleh this week, for example!!!  I'll be posting on the brouhaha that already ensued at the HFS when I tried to figure out and find the right kind of "mint" for same, plus on how it all turns out, later.  But my point here is that there ARE great alternatives for just about anything you think you are going to miss terribly.  Agave nectar instead of honey, quinoa instead of bulgar wheat (not that secretor O's can have wheat, either, but you get my point *lol*), fruit juice on cereal instead of soymilk.  You can do this thing!  Maybe not ideally all the time, but you can do the best you can and that will be good enough!

Yay!  

* edited to add:  just saw that Drea beat me to the pineapple juice sugg!  Great minds think alike.  Viva la pineapple!


"If you are on one of Dr. D's diets and it isn't joyful, you aren't doing it right." - moi

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hellööö and a very warm welcome outta Switzerland from another nonnie ....as PT said, don't get mad but glad and dearle, this is only at the very early beginnings a bit annoying....but when you got your favers in your mind it will go hop...hop...hop...... ....the biggest issue here is, and that's a good thing, slow down (sigh...ough...how's that possible for nonnies ....and read the labels....this is one of the most important thingies we should really learn as early as possible.
If you take yourselve  for serious, so you will also for your healthissues.....and dearle believe me, that pays muchmore as you can imagine right now

welcome again and feel well and become more and more a healthy nonnie  
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If Cappy=Capricorn...me too. Welcome to the nonnie hood. It will get easier...the pitty parties become less frequent as you figure out what real health feels like and how to make it happen on a daily basis. I am still learning but feel so much better! The ideas that come off of this board make it all happen!
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hellööö and a very warm welcome outta Switzerland from another nonnie ....as PT said, don't get mad but glad and dearle, this is only at the very early beginnings a bit annoying....but when you got your favers in your mind it will go hop...hop...hop...... ....the biggest issue here is, and that's a good thing, slow down (sigh...ough...how's that possible for nonnies ....and read the labels....this is one of the most important thingies we should really learn as early as possible.
If you take yourselve  for serious, so you will also for your healthissues.....and dearle believe me, that pays muchmore as you can imagine right now

welcome again and feel well and become more and more a healthy nonnie  


Thank you Tomatilla!  I'm less pouty right now with my tasty spinach, tomato, fresh garlic, onion, red pepper, and carrot salad with salt, olive oil, and ceyanne pepper for lunch.  Yummy!
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If Cappy=Capricorn...me too. Welcome to the nonnie hood. It will get easier...the pitty parties become less frequent as you figure out what real health feels like and how to make it happen on a daily basis. I am still learning but feel so much better! The ideas that come off of this board make it all happen!


Cappy is indeed Capricorn!  What better a sign to be a nonnie than disciplined Capricorn!

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Welcome again to the nonnie club Shane Girl.  We are here with you.   Give yourself some time...once you get your head wrapped around it...everything is fine.

Hey...instead of having that puffed rice for breakfast...have the steak and salad.  Your nonnie blood will have a party of its own.

Debra


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Welcome again to the nonnie club Shane Girl.  We are here with you.   Give yourself some time...once you get your head wrapped around it...everything is fine.

Hey...instead of having that puffed rice for breakfast...have the steak and salad.  Your nonnie blood will have a party of its own.

Debra


Ooooh!  One step at a time, for the very recently former vegetarian.  I find myself only eating meat at dinner, more than once a day is a little much for me right now, but perhaps in the near future.  Debra, are you the one who's going to school for Naturopathic Medicine?
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Ooooh!  One step at a time, for the very recently former vegetarian.  I find myself only eating meat at dinner, more than once a day is a little much for me right now, but perhaps in the near future.  Debra, are you the one who's going to school for Naturopathic Medicine?


How I wish...too far away and one in college and one in university in the fall.  

Yes...Shane Girl...those baby steps are the way to go.

Debra



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How I wish...too far away and one in college and one in university in the fall.  

Yes...Shane Girl...those baby steps are the way to go.

Debra



Baby steps are good...but I'm starting late.  I'll be 40 before I'm finished and start a family....that's pretty late!  My poor partner will have a menopausal women, and teenagers!

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he-he-heee sounds just wunneful, fresh garlic into the salades...have had that too this afternoon, you can call me stinkbombe ......weew what a success in the super market, really more place with such an odor ..... ahem...next time I'll prepare the salades and will invite you to taste it ....here in Switzerland ....you just have to bring your cayenne pepper along ....sounded delicious your recipe ....nooo cayenne for me, but dried ginger...in powderform .... sluurp
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he-he-heee sounds just wunneful, fresh garlic into the salades...have had that too this afternoon, you can call me stinkbombe ......weew what a success in the super market, really more place with such an odor ..... ahem...next time I'll prepare the salades and will invite you to taste it ....here in Switzerland ....you just have to bring your cayenne pepper along ....sounded delicious your recipe ....nooo cayenne for me, but dried ginger...in powderform .... sluurp


Ginger sounds good also!  Switzerland sounds better!

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Welcome from yet another Cappy Nonnie !!

I too did my pouting.....especially the soy milk.  Lost my apples, crab, and the one last cheese I had.   Losing my soy milk was devistating.  Made a great, refreshing pick me up between meals.

I am still learning like you, and I only tackle ONE issue at a time.  First was to give up my soy milk and apples.  

God Bless MEAT and Sweet Potatoes.......otherwise I would be lost.

I have given up eating the food at work, and make a point to cook enough meat and mashed sweet potatos to make it thru the week.  I also snack on bananas, pumpkin seeds, carrots and the like between meals.  Really do need a bit more protein.

I have had some difficulty finding the "one best place" to find O nonnie eats.   Perhaps I shall take it upon myself to compose it.  Would need some vacation time, or 30 free minutes a day for a month to compile them all !!

At any rate, welcome to our happy family.  We have some of the most wonderful people here !!
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Welcome from yet another Cappy Nonnie !!

I too did my pouting.....especially the soy milk.  Lost my apples, crab, and the one last cheese I had.   Losing my soy milk was devistating.  Made a great, refreshing pick me up between meals.

I am still learning like you, and I only tackle ONE issue at a time.  First was to give up my soy milk and apples.  

God Bless MEAT and Sweet Potatoes.......otherwise I would be lost.

I have given up eating the food at work, and make a point to cook enough meat and mashed sweet potatos to make it thru the week.  I also snack on bananas, pumpkin seeds, carrots and the like between meals.  Really do need a bit more protein.

I have had some difficulty finding the "one best place" to find O nonnie eats.   Perhaps I shall take it upon myself to compose it.  Would need some vacation time, or 30 free minutes a day for a month to compile them all !!

At any rate, welcome to our happy family.  We have some of the most wonderful people here !!



Yeah!!  Becky, another Cappy O nonnie!!  Let me know what restaurants are good for us, I'd love to know!  Thanks for the welcome!  I am learning everyday.  I've been on the BTD for almost a month now, and have not seen a weight change.  From what I've read this morning....I've been a bad O nonnie!  Not enough beneficials, and too many neutrals.  I just found out my secretor status last week, so part of that time I was consuming soy and sugar.  One day at a time.  You know the goat..slow, steady and sure footed!  


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Also, just noticed your signature.   Could there be anything more fitting for a Cappy?   Doubtful !!


God knows we need it, or we'd work and worry ourselves to the grave!

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Along with your BTD nonnie improvements/adjustments you might add some Deflect O to help scrub away some of those lectins and then maybe you can start losing some weight.


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Along with your BTD nonnie improvements/adjustments you might add some Deflect O to help scrub away some of those lectins and then maybe you can start losing some weight.


It's ironic that you mention that...I was thinking that exact same thing yesterday...if I start to clear out some of the lectins the weight might go down... I am currently 5'4 and 154lbs...so my BMI is around 26 or so.  I have ALWAYS struggled to lose and maintain weight.  When I was running 6 miles a few times a week, and on the other days doing about an hour of cardio, my caloric intake was way too low in those days...and I was 140, and struggling to maintain it!!  Now, I walk or bike 30-45min four times a week, and am on the BTD eating mostly neutrals at this point.  I need to increase my beneficials, and take Deflect O, and see what my weight does.  It is taking me awhile to get into this because it requires so much discipline!

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Yes, most definately up your beneficials.  Protien and veggies.  My first 15 lbs fell off without even trying, and I was following the secretor version.    I don't know what your daily rutine is as far as work goes, and what not.   The food they serve at work is so bad, I don't even bother with it.  I pack a lunch everyday and nibble on it 3 or 4 times.  We only have 20 minute breaks and no lunch hour, so I kind of just eat every  3 hours or so.  

You may also want to look at your "trouble spots" as far as neutrals go.  Is there something you are fighting?  Is it a carb thing? Or a sugar thing?  I have found that sweet potatos fill the carb problem very nicely.  And you can make them about 20 different ways.  You mentioned discipline, and I am curious as to what specifically is causing you trouble there.  Personally, after about 2 weeks, the only craving I had is for more MEAT, and the occasional carb thing that was very nicely satisfied by the sweet potatos.

Also, Green tea!!  especially wonderful if you are eating carbs like rice, or a slice of bread.

But I think the most important part is to not give up on the BTD.  When your body starts to adjust to "good food"  and an unending supply of it, it will kick into high gear and the wieght will just start falling off.

And one day, I will give up my morning cup of coffee !!!
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It is taking me awhile to get into this because it requires so much discipline!

Only initially, if you have the right attitude about the BTD, then after a period of time it will become your normal lifestyle. The period of time is an individual thing.

Have fun with the BTD. Enjoy all the new foods and the opportunity to take control of your health destiny.


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Very cool!!    Thanks for all the support MoDon & Becky!  My struggles are carbs, for sure...I'm a sweet tooth...another struggle is getting myself to eat meat.  I just can't get myself to believe that eating red meat on a regular basis is good for a person...I grew up with parents that ran marathons, and very very rarely ate red meat...at one time they were vegan.  As an adult, I was a vegetarian for a few years.  It's so hard.  I eat steak or beef, then feel all icky and guilty at first, then the next day I feel fabulous physically.  I also worry about people judging me for being an animal hater ...I know many vegetarians, it's sort of a culture you know?

This will come to now shock, but my vegan marathon running mother (type O) also struggled with her weight.  She was always overweight for the army, but could out run almost everyone...go figure..

Basically I've been eating meat only at dinner, and sometimes every other day, so I eat a lot of fruit, veggies, nuts, wheat-free crackers, millet tortillas, rice puff cereal...I don't quite have it figured out yet.  I just ate some seasoned beef cubes and peas for dinner...don't ask me what I seasoned them with...the biggest point is that I'm starting to eat read meat...and it feels so weird  

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I eat steak or beef, then feel all icky and guilty at first, then the next day I feel fabulous physically.  I also worry about people judging me for being an animal hater ...I know many vegetarians, it's sort of a culture you know?).


If people would start to think critically and not because other people in their "sphere" thought the same way, we would realize that animal haters and eating animals are two different things. To me, an animal hater is one who kills just for the sake of killing, but not to use the meat and skin, etc. Vegetarians could be considered to be plant haters, if one thought about it too deeply.

As an aside, my DH is a non BTD-er, who is a vegetarian and an O-. He says he's a vegetarian "because of his deep-seated hatred for plants".


It is not my responsibility to convince anyone of anything.
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Welcome aboard Shane Girl,

I am just back from a week at camp, the kind with a dining hall for 130 campers of all ages.  I knew that there would be access to a kitchen of some sort, so I took a package of grass-fed ground beef so that I could make my ground beef-kale-onion breakfast mix.  I made wraps with nori sheets.  I went over menus with the cook and ate chicken twice and a couple of other things that she prepared for a few of us.  They had a decent supply of fruits and vegetables.  Sardines and plastic wrapped sweet potatoes were very helpful; I'm so glad that I took them.  One morning I watched the food service truck make a large delivery and I was so glad that I was not eating all those prepared frozen foods (have you ever seen smiley face fries?).

Perhaps on a medical mission you won't have to worry about prepared frozen food and all the additives that trip us up in our grocery stores.  Maybe you can take sardines and nori sheets and pineapple juice.

It's not easy being a nonnie, but feeling better is worth the effort.




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Welcome aboard Shane Girl,

I am just back from a week at camp, the kind with a dining hall for 130 campers of all ages.  I knew that there would be access to a kitchen of some sort, so I took a package of grass-fed ground beef so that I could make my ground beef-kale-onion breakfast mix.  I made wraps with nori sheets.  I went over menus with the cook and ate chicken twice and a couple of other things that she prepared for a few of us.  They had a decent supply of fruits and vegetables.  Sardines and plastic wrapped sweet potatoes were very helpful; I'm so glad that I took them.  One morning I watched the food service truck make a large delivery and I was so glad that I was not eating all those prepared frozen foods (have you ever seen smiley face fries?).

Perhaps on a medical mission you won't have to worry about prepared frozen food and all the additives that trip us up in our grocery stores.  Maybe you can take sardines and nori sheets and pineapple juice.

It's not easy being a nonnie, but feeling better is worth the effort.




Yes..Thank you, Joan!  Yes, I've seen smiley fries!!  They're greasy happy little heart haters .   When I make travel plans, I'll have to look into what foods I am allowed to travel with.  I have not gone on a mission yet, but the food that is served is the traditional local foods.  Often families will be serving us, and I understand that in some countries it is very rude for a guest to be a picky eater.  I'm thinking I'll have to suck it up, be grateful to have food at all (not starving like some of the people I'm going to help), and just detox when I get home.  I imagine we'll have meals on our own in more urban areas, so I might be able to eat well then.  Considering my whole life I've eaten foods bad for my blood type, I don't think a week here, and a week there will kill me...I am fortunate in that I don't have major health issues, so eating wrong won't throw me into an acute IBS state, asthma attack, DKA, or anything...it will only make me feel a little icky leaving lectins around that I'll have to try and get rid of later.  This will be a work in progress...
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If people would start to think critically and not because other people in their "sphere" thought the same way, we would realize that animal haters and eating animals are two different things. To me, an animal hater is one who kills just for the sake of killing, but not to use the meat and skin, etc. Vegetarians could be considered to be plant haters, if one thought about it too deeply.

As an aside, my DH is a non BTD-er, who is a vegetarian and an O-. He says he's a vegetarian "because of his deep-seated hatred for plants".


Too funny!!  I guess ignorance comes in all packages...you're right, if people want to judge me that is their problem, because it won't change the way I eat.

Heres a concern...My parents both Type O, my father being a diabetic are considering returning to being vegan...I sent them links from this website, suggested they read the books, told them about things I've read, but I don't have them convinced yet...  I don't want to see my dad get sicker..this is stressing me out!  
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If there willing to read what you present to them and if they feel free to ask you questions and you answer to the best of your ability, there is no more you can do.  Each person has the right to make their own choices, and we can't feel guilty, if we feel they made the wrong one.

Maybe you can use a bargaining technique with your dad, such as give BTD 6 weeks and if you see improvement please continue it, I love you and I want you in my life, forever, if possible!
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If there willing to read what you present to them and if they feel free to ask you questions and you answer to the best of your ability, there is no more you can do.  Each person has the right to make their own choices, and we can't feel guilty, if we feel they made the wrong one.

Maybe you can use a bargaining technique with your dad, such as give BTD 6 weeks and if you see improvement please continue it, I love you and I want you in my life, forever, if possible!


I convinced them today!!  Yeah!    I told them that Type O's tend to be allergic to penicillin and sulfa, and tend to be anemic...my mother is anemic a lot, and my father and I are allergic to both sulfa and PCN...my mother said "Ok, I'm sold...where can I find the books?"
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I convinced them today!!  Yeah!    I told them that Type O's tend to be allergic to penicillin and sulfa, and tend to be anemic...my mother is anemic a lot, and my father and I are allergic to both sulfa and PCN...my mother said "Ok, I'm sold...where can I find the books?"



Yeeessss!!!!!  Congratulations to you Shane Girl.  One more baby step for better health.

Debra


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