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CB
Monday, May 28, 2007, 12:47am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Lola, did they do a venous draw on you for your additional serotyping?   Were many others asking for the additional serotyping?  Take care.  CB.


In the confrontation between the river and the rock, the river always wins....not through strength,                        but by perseverance.

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Ronagon
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I'm just one of those types of people who tends to need some kind of logical understanding of things before I can move forward.  The advantage to that, however, as I see it, is that once I understand the "whys" about something, I can be a lot more committed and more persuasive in favor of it than I would be otherwise.

My ability to "sell" anyone on anything revolves around this.  My "faith" is a matter of semantics... I only have faith when I have real understanding and, apparently, that's not how faith is usually done in this culture.  This is probably why I've always felt like such a square peg in life.
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Lola,

That guy's thinking is all over the place.

In terms of his so-called logic, I think his whole dismissal of the BTD centers on a logical error, which is that, because animals of all different species have different blood types, too, that their different blood types don't affect how healthy they otherwise could be, if they, too, ate right for their types.

You know, this now raises an important question in my mind:  How many health conditions that we see in all manner of wild animals, zoo animals, farm animals, and household pets, might not also be due to their not eating what is right for them, too?  Are animal blood types different from human blood types?  I would imagine so.

As I look around, I see dogs developing arthritis and having diarrhea, and even having chronic allergies.  Perhaps it's their having no choice but to eat corn-based chows and such, that cause these problems?

I can't help but wonder how much money could be made off of blood type diet formulas for pets and animals, as well.  I think it would sell like hotcakes, because so many people love their little animals so profoundly, and routinely are militantly willing to spend incur some very high bills on keeping their beloved animals happy and healthy.  I estimate that, almost certainly, they'd be willing to pay for more biologically-appropriate dog chow and such...
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After that last post, I did a Google search, and found an article on various cat and dog blood types.  In case anyone's interested, here it is:

http://www.vet.utk.edu/bloodbank/vet_banking.shtml

It also appears as though blood typing plays a major role in their health.  Here's an article on that:

http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s1459270.htm

Here's another article that says dogs have 4 blood types, cats 11, and cows 800!

http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/stories/s1459270.htm

And here are some other dog blood type articles, in general:

http://uninews.unimelb.edu.au/articleid_2644.html
http://www.spinone.com/BloodTyping.htm
http://www.hickoryvet.com/page37.htm
http://www.vin.com/proceedings/Proceedings.plx?CID=TUFTSBG2003&PID=5122&O=Generic
http://www.usatoday.com/life/2004-01-19-dog-bloodmobile-usat_x.htm

(I can't help but notice that a lot of this research is coming from Australia.  I can't help but notice how innovative those Aussies are.)

Enjoy!
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Well (as I have said before) if you want to extrapolate animal blood type correlations (or lack of them) to humans (or vice versa) then you have to expect that all humans who are blood group O to have black hair, since pigs who are blood group O always have black coats. Of course, if instead you are a dogmatic idiot, you'll stop at where the argument amuses you, and not proceed to check to see whether or not it actually makes sense. Problem with that is the chance that ultimately, your cherry picking will not yield the point you are hoping to make. However, in this case it might have made you a bit more informed about the workings of blood groups and genetics.


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and Monsanto got em all !!!  
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Dr. D:

So does that mean you support the notion that animal blood types might play some effect in their optimal dietary requirements as well?  Or would it work differently in animals than in humans...

And I appreciate your point about cherry-picking.  It's too bad more people don't let their agendas be informed by the facts.  Rather, they seem to cherry-pick the facts, so that they appear to support their agendas, which were apparently and tragically formed on insufficient or faulty bases of facts.

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Ron,

According to William D. Cusick, each breed (dogs) is unique.
, and he lists the best foods for different breeds at the link below.

http://home.att.net/~wdcusick/free.html


Sirach 37:27
For not every food is good for everyone, nor is everything suited to every taste.



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md,

Thanks... That's very helpful.  

When I was growing up, we lived in Florida and had a lhasa apso.  How insane.   He was miserable for years, and the hair around his tail was always falling off and he was always biting it.  It was so sad.  Too bad we didn't know to try any of these food choices that you posted.
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CB
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Ronnie-oh-nonnie, did you try the phenylalanine?  I did and do and it's a good fit for me.  Let me know your results.  Thx.  Cb.


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CB...phenylalanine...oups I thought that was and is a no-no for A's

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I didn't find Phenylalanine listed, but in talking with Dr. D. and I'm sure it is somewhere in this thread, it is the one thing that helps to increase the IAP (intestinal alkaline phosphatase) which seems to be lower in NS and I suspect with LDNs.  When I visited his clinic, I also have it in my notes.   If you can find a reference I'd appreciate it.  If we are deficient in an amino, it difficult for me to think of it as harmful, overdoing it on the other hand is another story.  Take care.  CB


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I just moved the last for post to this thread since they were a follow up to the topic of this thread.


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CB,
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Paradoxically, although phenylalanine inhibits IAP, it also induces further production of IAP. Since non-secretors don't make very much to inhibit, the amount induced is more significant, since by the time the IAP is produced, the amino acid is long gone. I think vitamin A does that as well. At one point I was going to put it into the Phytocal minerals, but like Isa said, you can't give it to everybody.

For the more technically inclined, phenylalanine is called an 'uncompetitive inhibitor'. It only works when the concentrations of the enzyme substrate (IAP and some fat in this case) is high. On the other hand, the presence of phenylalanine and fat (but minus the IAP) seems to induce some production of IAP.

his answer is on page 2 of this thread.


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Lola is like this walking encyclopedia...
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Hey CB, was it L-phenylalanine or DL phenylalanine that you found.  Also, where did you pick this up?  Would love to give it a try, just want to make sure it is the right thing.

Thanks for the info!
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no biggie Ron!!
it is just my finger on the mouse!!!


''Just follow the book, don't look for magic fixes to get you off the hook. Do the work.'' Dr.D.'98
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Becky, I tried both.  Interesting, when I take with evening meal, I have more energy, and can just do more without feeling sleep deprived in the morning.  Take care.  CB
Sorry it took so long to respond, I've been tied up so to speak


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Add-on to Becky,  I picked it up at a Health Food Store in the U.S.  A good store will have both  Take care.  CB


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Thanks CB, good to see you got the ropes loosened a little.  Going shopping online in a few minutes.

Wonderful A !!.  I love the way your mind works !!  And thank you so much for always being right there on top of it all!
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Becky, Well, well, I'll be Vegas tomorrow at a convention.   Take care.  CB  Although I'll be inside most of time, what is weather like now.  


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Becky!
back at you!


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so did anybody find out if dl phenylalanine is as good for this purpose as the non dl type?   also could we just take a packet of nutrasweet?   I seemed to read somewhere that this should be taken three times a day but this was for depression i think.   how many times a day have you guys found useful?
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Scott, the L form would be the natural form for amino acids. Hope that helps.

From the wiki link:
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D- and DL-phenylalanine
The unnatural stereoisomer D-phenylalanine (DPA) is available through conventional organic synthesis either as a single enantiomer or as a component of the racemic mixture. It does not participate in protein biosynthesis although it is found in proteins, in small amounts, particularly aged proteins and food proteins that have been processed. The biological functions of D-amino acids remain unclear. Some D-amino acids, such as D-phenylalanine, may have pharmacological activity.

DL-Phenylalanine is marketed as a nutritional supplement for its putative analgesic and antidepressant activities. The putative analgesic activity of DL-phenylalanine may be explained by the possible blockage by D-phenylalanine of enkephalin degradation by the enzyme carboxypeptidase A.[5] The mechanism of DL-phenylalanine's putative antidepressant activity may be accounted for by the precursor role of L-phenylalanine in the synthesis of the neurotransmitters norepinephrine and dopamine. Elevated brain norepinephrine and dopamine levels are thought to be associated with antidepressant effects.[citation needed] D-Phenylalanine is absorbed from the small intestine, following ingestion, and transported to the liver via the portal circulation. A fraction of D-phenylalanine appears to be converted to L-phenylalanine. D-Phenylalanine is distributed to the various tissues of the body via the systemic circulation. D-Phenylalanine appears to cross the blood-brain barrier with less efficiency than L-phenylalanine. A fraction of an ingested dose of D-phenylalanine is excreted in the urine.
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"[Q]uorn is high in protein, but the amino acid profile is very high in phenylalanine, which makes quorn inadvisable for most type A's -especially A non-secretors, who often lack adequate levels of the enzyme intestinal alkaline phosphatase (a fat-busting enzyme inactivated by phyenylalanine). Also, this
species of fungii may have immune suppressive effects, which may give some concern to those non-A individuals with infection disease susceptibilties."


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