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Victoria
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One of the ways I am trying to minimize the risk is that I don't eat any avoids, ever, never!  The less we stress our bodies with non-essentials, the more our bodies can function quickly and appropriately to threats.  I strongly believe that non-secretors have no business eating avoids unless a person is wanting to lose their good health.

Another thing that I believe is very important for non-secretors is to be in bed by 10 pm at the lastest.  Even if we can be in bed by 9 or 9:30 pm, it would be better, because it takes a while before the body is deeply asleep.  There are a cascade of hormonal outputs that require a certain number of hours of being asleep before they begin, and we need darkness in order for that process to work naturally.  I suppose it might be possible to completely retrain our biological clock, but it's a gamble.  And, of course, sleeping in a dark room will help to make these healing hours possible.

If we don't have any soldiers at the gate, then I at least want to have a well trained, effective and powerful army inside the castle walls!



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CB, MoDon, & Victoria
thank you for your thoughts. I printed my question and your replies. All good.
I'll reread them when I get frustrated.
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Ronagon
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Victoria,

You're right about getting a LOT of sleep.  That's one thing I definitely need.  I find that I can't even go out at night any more, because staying out late slows my metabolism to a crawl.

Right now I'm really, really struggling with my weight.  I just can't seem to lower my body fat and get rid of this thick, hard gut I've developed.  It's like there's this solid mass inside my lower abdomen and it just pushes everything outward.  

My suspicions are that years of inflammation have probably created a massively hypertrophic colon, what with all the polyamines that have no doubt been created over the years, from decades of ignorance of what to eat and what not to eat.
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Ronnie-o-nonnie, if you haven't tried Deflect, you might consider it.  I've taken it for  years.  Are you following strict O diet including portions?  Also look in Live Right for the section on polyamines.  Off the top, I'm thinking of walnuts, blueberries and onions, but that's for type A.  Keep things moving thru the intestinal tract.  Dr. Ds suggestion on fiber (ARA) is also excellent and I've tried various and sundry types.  Take care.  CB


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CB
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As to sleep, I'm with you Ronnie and Victoria, not getting enough rest absolutely wipes me out.  Others seems to be able to adjust, but I might as well forget it until I'm rested.  I learned that in my 20s fortunately.  Take care.  CB.


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Paradoxically, although phenylalanine inhibits IAP, it also induces further production of IAP. Since non-secretors don't make very much to inhibit, the amount induced is more significant, since by the time the IAP is produced, the amino acid is long gone. I think vitamin A does that as well. At one point I was going to put it into the Phytocal minerals, but like Isa said, you can't give it to everybody.

For the more technically inclined, phenylalanine is called an 'uncompetitive inhibitor'. It only works when the concentrations of the enzyme substrate (IAP and some fat in this case) is high. On the other hand, the presence of phenylalanine and fat (but minus the IAP) seems to induce some production of IAP.


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CB
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Thank you Dr. D'Adamo.  I wonder, do we know how long after ingesting the phenylalanine, the IAP is produced?  Does it make a difference.  So Ronnie-o-nonnie, I'm going for it with some fat (oil).  Will let you know my results.  I have found on most things, a little goes a long way, but don't know if it is due to my non-secretorhood or if I am further impacted by the LDN status.   How about you?  Take care.  CB.


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then I guess my hot cocoa with lecithin and ghee added is a good thing!


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Dr. D, thank you!  That explanation answers everything.  

CB,  yes, I can have those foods you mentioned, also.  And I also take Deflect.  I'm waiting on my Phytocal to arrive, too.
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Lola, tell us how you make your cocoa.  Thank you.  Take care.  CB


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a spoon of ground unsweetened cocoa, a spoon of ghee and a spoon of lecithin....add hot water to that.
you can use a hand mixer if you want it frothy.


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Dr. D:

I'm guessing, however, that even with phenylalanine and a bit of a fatty-oily meal, the levels of IAP are not going to increase up to what you would see in a full secretor.  Am I right on that?
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Lola,

So taking lecithin in cocoa helps?  I didn't know that.  Can you absorb calcium at the same time?
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Dr. D, thank you!  That explanation answers everything.  

CB,  yes, I can have those foods you mentioned, also.  And I also take Deflect.  I'm waiting on my Phytocal to arrive, too.


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Thanks for the continuing education lesson!


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Thank you Modon, for creating the teaching moment. BTW, this type of 'reverse posology' is very typical of nonniehood.



Sadly, I've just not done much with IAP for the last two decades. Perhaps I shoudl return it to the attention to the SWCNM research people.  



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so what does IAP do for us? (I may have known once.....)
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Very interesting conversation!  Thanks to all participants.

And Lola, I'm still drinking my black cocoa also, with hot water/cocoa/ghee/lecithin.  Another drink I have come to love is adding a small amount (1/2 to 1 tsp) cocoa to my green tea.  It takes it to another dimension.



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jayneeo,
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you can get yourself a shield, called avatar,  in member center.
IPA is essential for digestion and aids in the conversion of calcium and other essential nutrients needed.
http://www.dadamo.com/bloggers/ask/archives/00000206.htm


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Victoria s secret hey??? lol
thanks for the tip......it does add extra benefit to the cocoa using green tea as a base!


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http://youtube.com/watch?v=zFommnZLm_M&mode=related&search=

how is this for science and misinformation!!!

doesn t he look healthy though???


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Quoted from lola
how is this for science and misinformation!!!


The information on pesticides was very interesting...  I am detoxing pesticides and feel much of the neuro-muscular spasms and brain fog when the levels are high.


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I see what you mean, but I m referring to one where he criticises BTD......not pretty!

I believe there are a few videos there, but do not know how to open that particular one, which I m talking about.


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Is there any form of lecithin that does not come from soy or eggs?
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