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Ronagon
Tuesday, May 22, 2007, 12:54am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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At this past weekend's IfHI Conference, I had a chance to talk to Dr. D (what a truly amazing experience that whole thing was), and he answered several very important questions that had been on my mind for awhile.

However, I do have one other question, and I'm wondering if anyone here knows if there's an answer:

Are there any supplements or substances that we non-secretors could take, that might actually induce some appreciable levels of secretion in us?

In my mind, this really is a huge question.
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Tuesday, May 22, 2007, 1:42am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Hello Ronnie-O-Nonnie, good to have a face to put with a name.  I would think we just look for those food items that have an A or A like antigen.  Can't think of what they are right now as I sleep deprived.  What questions did the dear Dr. answer for you, maybe we can all learn.  Take care and great to meet you.  CB.


In the confrontation between the river and the rock, the river always wins....not through strength,       but by perseverance.

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Ronagon
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CB,

Heyyyyyy! Long time, no see!  (Great to see you again...)

So, okay; here ya go...

I asked Dr. D if there was anything that non-secretors could possibly take to increase their production of intestinal alkaline phosphatase (IAP), and he said this:

"phenylalanine".

There ya go. One word, packed with enormous value. (That's classic Dr. D... He doesn't muck about; he gets right to it.)

So, I stopped by Whole Foods and picked up a bottle. Well, that was yesterday and, already, I'm noticing a difference. I'm not feeling nearly so inflamed and reactive to foods as I was before. It helps a lot.

Now, the question remains if there's something that might induce secretion of blood type antigen, or if Deflect essentially accomplishes the same thing. After all, it puts the terminal BT antigen sugar out into the system.

My understanding is that, for A's, red marine algae might be high in the A antigen, n-acetyl galactosamine. But, then again, A-Deflect has an analogous sugar, n-acetyl glucosamine, in it. I've also noticed that this same compound is in the O-Deflect. I wonder why...
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Hi Ron,
N acetil glucosamine protects you from wheat lectins as gluten and gliadins  binding to them.
Probably also bromeline in pineapple breaks down them in a useful way for celiacs and Os !
As a celiac I feel benefits with Deflect and pineapple if some wheat slips in my diet.
Have a good day
Maria Giovanna


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phenylalanine is every time a double sword ...why,,,sometimes we don't even know that we might have a genetically related issue called phenylketonury....I tested this mostly in A'types and then.....how it could be different, mostly of em were nonnies!!!! And sorry this sickness is not that rare as we are thinking.....
and if I remember it's ok for O's but then *dad's it* .D....and it works also greatly for depressions....
thatswhy I am asking myselve why is in the menopausal book yams ok for us, but it contains largest mounts of that stuff

I think that mostly all kinds of getting *reactions or actions* done...augmented etc...relates to your
autonomous nervesystem......and here you can go for phosphorlipids in EPA-forms to get things balanced.... here you are going to find you partial psychograms as well, depends if you are vagotonic or its oposite...... but this might  change during your lifetime
and think about...almost all kinds of supps. have to pass by the stomach, sauf if they are enteric coated, so it will be solved into the small intestine.... but the others have to shrink their volume of capacities by the first pass effect from the liver...... so .....



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forgot...sorry there are also some neurotropic stuffs...perhaps here you might find something relevant  
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CB
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Is n-acetyl-glucosamine analagous to n-acetyl-galactosamine?  Thx for the heads up on the IAP.  Being a non-secretor and an LDN puts me a more risk.  By the way, I was looking more for foods.  I wonder what foods contain phenylalanine?  P.S.  Did you get in the 'nonnie picture?  Take care.  CB


In the confrontation between the river and the rock, the river always wins....not through strength,       but by perseverance.

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CB
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Deflect will do 2 things.  One, it behaves as a sacrificial molecule to attract the things that are attracted to you that you don't want to be and, two,  repairs the intestinal tract.  Of all the supplements out there, this is one that is so valuable to me, I'd never want to be without it, but then I'm several years your seniour.  Take care.  CB.


In the confrontation between the river and the rock, the river always wins....not through strength,       but by perseverance.

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Ronagon
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Maria and Tomatilla,

Thanks for the info...


CB:  No, I missed the nonnie picture.  I had wanted to be in it, but I was running around trying to figure out how to get Erika my essays for the fellow test, because the road crew outside my hotel picked that weekend to cut the wireless internet lines, so I was stumped for a way to email the essays to her.  I don't like to write by hand, when I can type.

Also, you don't look your age.  That's a good thing.
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h what do you mean with that ....huh......
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lecithin contains phenylalanine....
n-acetyl-glucosamine is one thing......great replacement for chondroitin for
Os and Bs...a lectin binding sugar......Deflect for example....
and D galactosamine is part of the B antigen...
N A galactosamine is part of the A antigen.......


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Lola,

I didn't know that.  Thanks.
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chondroitin's main sugar is N acetyl Galactosomine...very good for A's


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Quoted from Maria_Giovanna
Hi Ron,
N acetil glucosamine protects you from wheat lectins as gluten and gliadins  binding to them.

N-Acetyl Glucosamine does not bind with gluten and glaidins. It does bind to the wheat lectin WGA.

Quoted from Celiac Disease (Sprue), ABO and Secretor Blood Types
http://dadamo.com/wiki/wiki.pl/Haplogroup_V_(mtDNA)/Lectins/Celiac_Disease_(Sprue),_ABO_and_Secretor_Blood_Types
The 'lectin connection' has been extensively studied in celiac disease, though the results are mixed and inconclusive. I suppose the reader is wondering if type O gets more celiac that the other types, especially since I preach that they should minimize wheat, a food known to be intimately associated with celiac. While there is one study in the literature (6) I've personally found that celiac seems to effect all types about equally, though perhaps for different reasons. Part of the reason seems to be that gliandin, the perpetrator here, is different from wheat germ lectin, the major everyday problem for type O's. For example, studies have reported no ability to bind gliandin or gluten with N-acetyl glucosamine (NAG) the sugar which so handily binds the wheat germ agglutinin (WGA) lectin (7).

This is not to say that gluten doen't appear to be somewhat lectin-like in its own right: Its just not the wheat germ agglutinin (WGA) lectin. Yet gluten has been shown to bind to carbohydrate rich tissues much like a lectin, and to a degree, much like a lectin, gluten can even be inhibited by a specific sugar, alpha-D-mannose. Curiously, many intestinal influenza viruses bind to alpha-D-mannose as well. This perhaps explains the wisdom as pointed out by Freed of the traditional naturopathic wisdom in recommending that a patient fast during gastrointestinal 'flus. In addition to bugs, the lectin from the plant Snowdrop (Galanthus nivalis), which is being used to genetically alter foods also binds alpha-d-mannose.


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I asked Dr. D if there was anything that non-secretors could possibly take to increase their production of intestinal alkaline phosphatase (IAP), and he said this:

"phenylalanine".

There ya go.  One word, packed with enormous value.  (That's classic Dr. D... He doesn't muck about; he gets right to it.)

So, I stopped by Whole Foods and picked up a bottle.  Well, that was yesterday and, already, I'm noticing a difference.  I'm not feeling nearly so inflamed and reactive to foods as I was before.  It helps a lot.

Are you sure you heard right?
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Yams are typically high in the amino acid phenylalanine, which inactivates the fat-busting enzyme IAP (already quite low in Type As) and should be minimized or avoided completely.



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Quoted from Intestinal Alkaline Phosphatase (IAP)
http://www.dadamo.com/wiki/wiki.pl/Intestinal_Alkaline_Phosphatase_(IAP)
It is inhibited by L-phenylalanine


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Are there any supplements or substances that we non-secretors could take, that might actually induce some appreciable levels of secretion in us?

In my mind, this really is a huge question.

Ron-O-Non, what would 'some appreciable levels of secretion' do for O-nonnies? Curiousity won out.



It is not my responsibility to convince anyone of anything.
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Whoa MoDon, how was your trip back.  Very good to meet you and be back among non-secretors.  It seems to me, there were may more O non-secretors than others at the conference this year.  Take care.  CB


In the confrontation between the river and the rock, the river always wins....not through strength,       but by perseverance.

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Quoted from Intestinal Alkaline Phosphatase (IAP)
http://www.dadamo.com/wiki/wik.....lkaline_Phosphatase_(IAP)
It is inhibited by L-phenylalanine


Hmmm.  Thanks for that link.  I just read that, too.

I don't know why he would have told me that, then.
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Ron-O-Non, what would 'some appreciable levels of secretion' do for O-nonnies? Curiousity won out.


How would I know?  I'm not a doctor.
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It would personally help me with calcium absorption (which is too low according to blood tests   ) and would help with my always too high cholesterol    
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How would I know?  I'm not a doctor.


You were theone who posted the question; just thought you had some idea.


It is not my responsibility to convince anyone of anything.
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Man O Man - you have my head spinning. This Question has been forming in my head for awhile:

from Rom O Non:
"Are there any supplements or substances that we non-secretors could take, that might actually induce some appreciable levels of secretion in us?"


Bottom line--- Secretor/nonsecretor.  
Are we nonnies broken and can we be fixed?
How can we get our immune systems to work as well as the secretor's do?
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from Drea: "Ron-O-Non, what would 'some appreciable levels of secretion' do for O-nonnies? Curiousity won out."
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Think about it: You (secretors) get stuck by a rose thorn (or something else)  and it's uncomfortable = We get stuck and we baloones= huge reaction.  My first experience with  Poison Oak landed me in the  hospitol bc I'm allergic. ***Why doesn't my body fight for me like yours does? Why isn't my immune available (literally) at my fingertips like yours is (rather than just in the blood)? Is there a way to make my immune fluids more available? Am I broken - can I be fixed?

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Just my brain trying to figure it out. Wish there was an easy answer. Each of us wants to do all we can to improve our health. If there is a way to kick  the immune fluids into action I want to know too.
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Ron O Non  - am I at least in the same book if not on the same page?
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I view the non-secretor as coming straight from the Garden of Eden where we didn't need so much immunity.  We simply need to be more vigilant.  I know what you mean and I assume the others do as well about seemingly having a harder a time of it although the more compliant one is to diet, the better time of it.  With regard to allergic reactions, secretors can also have some pretty severe ones.  Take care.  CB


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I would think that taking the correct Deflect would be very beneficial for non-secretors and partially act like normal secretions by providing sacrificial sugar molecules similar to the blood type antigen to bind with things in the digestive tract that might otherwise get absorbed.


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