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Attila_the_Ghost
Friday, February 16, 2007, 4:05am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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So in LR4YT brown and white sugar is an avoid for A nonnies but in ER4YT  it is nuetral. What changed and for what reason are they now avoids?  Also why  is Molasses okay when they both come from the same cane?
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So in LR4YT brown and white sugar is an avoid for A nonnies but in ER4YT  it is nuetral. What changed and for what reason are they now avoids?  Also why  is Molasses okay when they both come from the same cane?


I recommend you read the FAQ and updates regarding ER vs LR


A small quote from what I linked:
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The added criteria of nonsecretor reaction have generated a yet higher level of refinement in the food value arena.


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Agave nectar is 42 percent sweeter than white sugar, and
carries a low glycemic index
average of 11, meaning it’s absorbed slowly. Honey, by comparison,
carries a glycemic index of
83 out of 100, while common white table sugar carries the highest
ability of the three to be
absorbed quickly and turned to blood glucose.


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AGE and Aging

Perhaps one of the most interesting developments into
the complex interrelationships of blood
sugar balance and health is research into
“Advanced Glycation Endproducts” or AGE. To
oversimplify, the body’s response to certain processed
sugars can turn cell surfaces brittle,
much like the hard-sugar surface of a crème Brule. The wikipedia article on the subject states: “AGEs affect nearly every type of cell and molecule in the body, and are thought to be major factors in aging and age related chronic diseases.”
Dr. D’Adamo’s ongoing clinical research includes this process and
has resulted in a next-
generation blood sugar formula called Glycoscia. You can read
more about it at 4yourtype.com


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KimonoKat thankyou sooo much for your help.   On a side note I can sense negative energy.  


So after doing some digging on the website I would like to know why some cane sugars are avoids while molasses in essence undried cane juice is neutral? sucanat is turbinado sugar is dried cane juice right? and when I ask why brown/sugar is an avoid for A nonnies I mean is it a metabolic inhibitor  raise disease suceptibilty secretory insuffiency ?
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hope the quote from the last NAP update will help.......they re right above your last post ATG.


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Thanks Lola .


Is this info from NAP new. Why wasn't this the thinking when Eat Right was published. While I agree with what you posted I think would make sugar neutral meaning it can be consumed on occasion not an avoid. Why isn't  there an explanation as to why it is an avoid like there is for other avoids. Why doesn't it say


Sugar

non-secretor variant
AVOID- Spikes blood sugar


I'm guessing it is secretory insufficiency .
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...I would like to know why some cane sugars are avoids while molasses in essence undried cane juice is neutral? sucanat is turbinado sugar is dried cane juice right? and when I ask why brown/sugar is an avoid...


For Starters: Every few months there is a post about this...just as the inactive posts go 'somewhere'. Dr. D has mentioned some enzyme that gets changed when the cane juice gets processed into sugar from the Molasses. I just can't seem to find it at present, or even which way was the desired...

Additionally your equivalencies aren't exactly as straightforward as you may think.
There are different 'levels' of Molasses. Many 'Brown Sugars' are not just 'dried cane juice' or even from some part of the molasses. 'Sucanat' has a fundamentally different way of becoming a 'dried cane juice' than many others....



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Why wasn't this the thinking when Eat Right was published.


Well the whole division into secretor- nonnie- was NOT part of the Eat right book-
This finetuning first came with the LIVE right book.


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so what about the reason its an avoid? I.e. - causes irregular blood reaction, secretory insuffiency
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pancreas insufficiency ....there might be an overload of glucagon which isn't available for the cells! Here lays the key......and yep, ER4YT nothing to be seen of a nonnie-status (we call it royalness)
btw....welcome Atilla t.G. in our royal club privé


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every time when a nonnie visits me for a test, it pops up pancreas and very important because in the same time rasurant; *cauda pancreatic* here are the "Langerhanschen island".....
and then no sugars of any kind, no honey.......

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Molasses used a a condiment and occasionally is a good source of minerals, especially black strap molasses.  

Cravings for sugar can disappear by avoiding all concentrated sugars, including dried fruit.  Staying away from it is an exercise of monumental effort sometimes, but the rewards are tremendous.  
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a response to a non secretor by Dr D:
I believe it fits to this discussion on sugars and nonnies.....
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non-secretor status being linked to insulin resistance
''''''''''Liver work' will also help. Personally, I think non-secretors have problems controlling lipid
peroxidation in their bile ducts. This may be because of some alteration to their
'reticuloendothelial' system (the white blood cells in the liver) to compensate for their lack
of adequate Secretory IgA, a phenomenon producing what is often simplistically referred to as
'leaky gut syndrome.'


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Attila, did a bit of digging for you......

read these threads on BTD value changes throughout its existence, by Dr D:
let me know what you think
Regarding changes in values
the difference between secretor/non secretor status.
''Occasionally a better technique was reported in the literature, or a new-non-lectin related reason came to my attention. In essence prior 'neutrals' were simply 'unvalued' or 'unknown.' These neutrals are more 'neutral' than unknown.''
http://www.dadamo.com/forum/archivea/config.pl?read=77119
http://www.dadamo.com/forum/archivea/config.pl?read=77432
''Many of these newer values are the result of determinations that are way beyond the level of sophistication that I was using back in the 1980's.''


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DNA had not been mapped when Eat Right For Your Type was published.  
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Whether sugar tests "avoid" or "neutral," it still does this one thing to white blood cells: it paralyzes them.  This may be blood type specific, I don't know.  But when you read any research performed on what sugar does to white blood cells, you see that it temporarily destroys the cells' ability to function; ie, to fight off bacteria.  It lowers your immune system.  So in general it should be avoided just because of this, whether or not it does any other damage.  This is why diabetics get can't fight off disease easily.  Their blood sugar is too high and their white blood cells can't function.

I may be wrong.  But this is my conclusion about sugar based on a little reading about what it does to white blood cells, as well as my husband's conclusion, being a geneticist.


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