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Peppermint Twist
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omg.  Couldn't think of a more appropriate forum to post this in than the nonnie forum, because this is a nonnie thing all the way.

I've been struggling, weightwise, for a long time.  I think it started when my kitchen really started to go south on me, starting with the freezer, then the stove, then the fridge, but all this took a long time and I had my head in the sand about it for several YEARS and I just gradually started cooking less and I couldn't freeze important nonnie fare like veggies, so I started having more and more grains, especially once I gave up my beloved "healthy" brand of potato chips a while back and switched to rice cakes.  You wouldn't think rice cakes would be a culprit in MASSIVE WEIGHT GAIN, but then if you are a nonnie, maybe you get it.

ANYWAY:  I've been grain-free as of the 23rd.  Weighed myself Sunday and, whoa, baby, FIVE POUNDS are gone.  Now, true, for the few weeks before that I was SO awful, avoid-wise, and then I went from that to good compliance and no grains, plus my period was in there, but even if you discount, say, three pounds for all of that, I still lost two pounds in one week by doing nothing but cutting out grains.  And this is the first time the scale has gone in the right direction in many, many months, in fact for several years now.  Even when I wasn't eating avoids like I did the past few weeks.  Even when I was exercising.  Nothing made a difference.

I'm very excited about this immediate response by my bod to jettisoning the grains.  I pray that it keeps up, though I don't expect that it will be five pounds or even two pounds per week, but even 1 pound or 1/2 a pound will be WELCOME.

Grain-free is the nonnie way to be, weeeee!


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yup...yup...yup...must agree here , for me the same thingy...grains and I'll get fat within hours....add some café, = result.... catastrophe
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Way to go Peppermint Twist!!!! Isn't it wonderful how our bodies respond when we eat the way that is most beneficial?


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yup...yup...yup...must agree here , for me the same thingy...grains and I'll get fat within hours...

Isn't that so true?  It boggles the mind how true it is.  I don't see what the all-fired big deal should theoretically be about ingesting compliant grains but BOY HOWDY, it is a big deal.  Maybe if I could stick to the 1 cup of cooked grain per week portion recommendation, but if I eat grains, I eat more than that in one sitting *lol*.  Perhaps that is my problem, but whichever it is, I can't do it at all.

Grains are a secretor thing.

I'm getting back into my sweet potatoes and fruit and lots of different veggies mode.  Oh, and beans, too.  Aduki and black-eyed peas.

It seems I eat such a better variety of foods and SO much more chi when I jettison the grains.

Livin' la vida grain-free (and lovin' it).





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Way to go Peppermint Twist!!!! Isn't it wonderful how our bodies respond when we eat the way that is most beneficial?

It is amazing to me, actually.  The five pounds to me is clearly a message from my bod saying "Thank God, you're finally on the right track, please continue!"

And I hope I shall.  Had a big stress Friday afternoon that, all by its lonesome, could have derailed me, but I refused to let it.  I went out just as planned this weekend and stocked up on all manner of grain-free goodies, and stuck with what I planned to do.  I couldn't do all the de-stressing from years of stress that I had planned to do, but I did the best I could and I refused--REFUSED, I tell you--to let ANYTHING derail me.

Oh, it's go time.



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Grains are a secretor thing.

I'm getting back into my sweet potatoes and fruit and lots of different veggies mode.  Oh, and beans, too.  Aduki and black-eyed peas.


I'd gladly give up grains to be able to eat sweet potatoes again. I do miss them: especially roasted in the oven with some evoo and salt.


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Grains are a secretor thing.


Secreting non-secretor here . . . it depends on the secretor But in general, you are right.

Good work twin o'mine! You are awesome in your determination and perseverance. Hang in there, use that new kitchen of yours, and enjoy the chi-laden foods you were born to eat!

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I refused--REFUSED, I tell you--to let ANYTHING derail me.


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Good for you PT!


Grains are also a source of weight gain for B's as well.... both secretor and non.... although in my experience it is more of a quality issue with quantity playing more of a secondary role. We B's do need some grains... and some of us more or less than others  but I am happy the grain-free thang is working for you.




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You all are awesome with your pats on the back and you have no idea how welcome and needed they are right now.  This BTD community is so totally and utterly DA BEST.


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Good job Edna - now I need to take your example and do the same - I have been eating horribly lately


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Well I'm a secretor but I think that I need to do that too.  The past few months have been awful.  With me it's the sweets, the Pamelas and the lack of exercise.
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CONGRATS PT

I've been doing some reading over the weekend on pH balancing.  Acids cause weight gain ... grains are acids from what I read. hmmmm

I've been doing a lot of rice products because of my blood testing and allergy results ... puffed rice cereal; rice milk; rice pasta ... yep, the scales are screaming at me.  Also, my CRAVINGS have been horrid.  And what have I been craving ... more acids ...  

Anyone else looked into pH balancing and have any sites I should check out?


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Drea, you say that now....(about trading grains for sw. potatoes)....!!!
And Colleen, good point! For an O, adding toast to eggs is not so good, which I've been into lately...better to add veggies to eggs for ph. Or fruits.
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Interesting about pH.

So much to consider with diet, so little time...luckily for us, we have a manual:  the BTD, yay!  And had I been doing what it says (namely, ZERO to 1 cup cooked MAX of grains per week) for my sorry-state-of-affairs type (a.k.a., O non), I would have jettisoned the grains long ago...which, in fact, I did, and it rocked, but then I went back to my evil ways.  But if the weight loss continues apace this time (and, again, I do NOT expect any five pounds per week to continue...but just if the losing weight continues at all), I won't make the same mistake again.  It will finally be branded into my brain:  no grains for you!

Amazing how one's body responds to the BTD, especially if you actually do the diet as written *lol*.


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Note:  possibly interesting related factoid:

Since jettisoning the grains, my rosacea has been flaring a little.  I'm wondering if it is my body's way of releasing the "heat" of all those grains?  Does that make any sense whatsoever to anyone?  I'm thinking it is a good sign of detoxing!  The face gets flushed, red, and somehow heat disapates via the skin?

Not sure if I'm making any sense today, but whatever...it's all good  


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Well, it was shen I was being oh so good that my rosacea raised it's ugly head for the first time...right around the outer corner of my right eye ... I'd been on the diet rather compliantly for 6 months ... was that the heat coming out ???


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When you are talking about being grain free in your diet - does that mean ANY type of grains - or just the grains not suitable for your blood type?  Being an O myself and wife being an A should we not be eating any grains at all? I have been using Rye flour and eating 100% rye bread? I have been losing quite a bit of weight myself - should I not be eating even Rye bread or using rye flour? What about those rye biscuits?  Cheers everyone. Royce.





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Hi Royce,
you have to be grain free only if you realize you cannot really approach your weight goal.
Your A wife should eat just the mimimum portions for an A that is not so little. If she has health complaints wheat free or gluten free is better, but rice quinoa, amaranth and buckwheat are allowed or beneficial for As
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Hi Edna compliments ad go on ! brava
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When you are talking about being grain free in your diet - does that mean ANY type of grains - or just the grains not suitable for your blood type?

For me as an O non-secretor, I have found over lots of time and experimenting with different ways of doing my O diet that it means ANY type of grains are contraindicated for me if I want to lose weight, let alone not gain weight.  I frankly think Dr. D. was just trying to ease the blow and throw us a bone when he said we can have between zero to one cup of cooked compliant grains per week, because he knows that so many of us live in such a grain-laden society.  But ideally I really think that O nons do best at the zero end of the zero-to-one-cup spectrum, especially if you are trying to lose weight.  At least this O nonnie does.  As for secretors, I definitely think most of you guys can eat some compliant grains each week.  And Royce, if you are having such good results on your O diet with rye included, please don't stop eating it on my account!*  And Type A secretors actually do well with their compliant grains, so by all means let your wife continue to revel in them!

* edited to add:  is it that French Meadows 100% rye w/flaxseed?  Isn't that GOOD?  omg, I'd better stop thinking about it, slathered in butter and with just a sprinkle of sea salt....wowie.

Edited to add more:  oh, in re-reading your post, it appears it is homemade rye bread.  Even better!  Please ENJOY!  In fact, enjoy it enough for us nonnies to live vicariously through you!


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WOW! PT what brilliant news for the day

I felt quite frustrated the other day as I did not have a piece of good advice for you. I am delighted you managed to turn the wheel around. Perhaps you should be called THE PHOENIX . How awsome!

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For me as an O non-secretor, I have found over lots of time and experimenting with different ways of doing my O diet that it means ANY type of grains are contraindicated for me if I want to lose weight, let alone not gain weight.  I frankly think Dr. D. was just trying to ease the blow and throw us a bone when he said we can have between zero to one cup of cooked compliant grains per week, because he knows that so many of us live in such a grain-laden society.  But ideally I really think that O nons do best at the zero end of the zero-to-one-cup spectrum, especially if you are trying to lose weight.  At least this O nonnie does.


First of all, congratulations on being grain free.  I sooooo agree with you on the above statement.  The effects of grains on O nonnies is so crazy.  For example, I am having my period now and for the first couple of days, it was going really well (no cramps, light flow).  I went to a restaurant yesterday and had chargrilled catfish with dirty rice.  Almost immediately, the flow became heavy (so heavy in fact that my clothes got a little messed up - thank God I wore dark jeans) and by the time I left the restaurant I was cramping.  I really wish I could just stop.  And it's not necessarily plain rice that I can't stop eating.  It's moreso the rice dream bars (sweetened with corn and barley malt) from Whole Foods.  I am so addicted.

Again, congratulations to you and keep up the good work!

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mnicole, sadly, those bars most likely have avoid ingredients....carrageenan, or something....cuz belive me if they were compliant I would be buying the store out! Sorry, but that's my recollection.
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Grains are a secretor thing.


Not this secretor.



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What about A nonsecretors? I am trying my best to go grain free, its not easy, going on three days, but I always bloat up and gain weight even with the smallest amount of rice. I have done a couple days here and there with out grains, one time I did it for a little longer than a week and droped 4 or 5 pounds. But it seems to be so hard not to eat them. It seems that A secretors can do pretty well with moderate grains but my digestive system and body are so sensitive its outragous. When I have grains especially wheat, I also notice symptoms of hypothyroidism when theoretically my thyroid is already in the normal range and balenced by medication. Its just very difficult when I live with all secretors of all three other blood types and they dont quite get my wacky system, well my boyfriend is very supportive as are my parents but still sometimes they just dont understand.
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As an A non-secretor, I think that beneficial grains only is the way to go.  I stay away from gluten but otherwise do well to have beans or a small amount of grains each day.  

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mnicole, sadly, those bars most likely have avoid ingredients....carrageenan, or something....cuz belive me if they were compliant I would be buying the store out! Sorry, but that's my recollection.


Jayney, I'm agreeing with you.  I know they're far from being compliant.  The problem is that I just can't seem to stop eating them.
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Another pound GONE!  

Six total!  This is phenomenal!

btw, I shall post later today or manana about the TI (Temptation Island) situation at work today and how FAB I have been!  Proud of the old self today, big time!

I am refusing to let anything get between me and my chosen diet at this point.

I pity the fool who tries.


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I celebrate your success, Pep!    

Yay for grain-free ! ! !  Good health is it's own reward !!  



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I celebrate your success, Pep!    

Yay for grain-free ! ! !  Good health is it's own reward !!  


Wu hu hu hu huuuuuuuuuuuuuu!

And I forgot how jazzed and revitalized I feel when grain-free.*  YEAH, baby!  Went through a bit of an initial gear-shift or detox period there, which also could have been due to some swings in the barometric pressure (never a good thing for P-Twist) and a chiro adjustment to the shoulder-n-neck that went awry, but now I've got my sea legs and BOY HOWDY!  Jazzed and ready!

Can't wait to tell youzzz what a good doggie I was today at work, because there was literally unbelievable temptation a'happnin'.  Could not have been worse, temptation-wise.  And yet I am RESOLUTE.

It's go time.  And I'm gone, daddio.

(edited to add:  can't believe I chose a smoking smilie but, see, he's supposed to be a beatnik and I thought that went with the whole "gone, daddio" sign off...still, not a fan of the smoking, for youzzz allzzz information.)

* I mean, I remembered, but I didn't REMEMBER, as in, omg, yeah, WOW, I have me some ENERGY and clarity or something (don't know exactly how to describe that last bit).  It's all good!


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P.S.  Victoria, EXACTLY about the good health being its own reward.  Even though the stuff today was soooooooooooooooooooooooo tempting to me (and there was sooooooo much of it and it was soooooooooo in my face all day), I kept my eyes on the prize.  As I say, nothing tastes as good as health feels.  Day-uuum, I love that mantra.  Anyway, more on Temptation Isle anon, but for now:  SIX POUNDS!

If not grain-free, it would take me MONTHS to lose that, months I tell you!  If I could at all at this point.  No, the grains had to go for me.

Hey hey, ho ho, eating grains just had to go!
Hey hey, ho ho, this nonnie knows that it is so!


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Yep,
The grains go . . .
The energy returns !!

Just think how thick and heavy is the texture of flour mixed with water and sugar.  Bog ya down pretty quick.  hmmm?



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Congrats PT! Keep up the good work!  

Last year I was 100% compliant on the O secretor diet but didn't shift a pound. Then I quit grains totally (had been having one portion every day) and I steadily lost a pound a week for 7 weeks.  

Don't ask my why I lost the plot a bit at that point and started back on the compliant grains and from then to avoid grains (yup, the dreaded W word - rhymes with cheat). I think it had something to do with fear that I could actually change my life, but that's another story...  

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Wow, so many great posts to respond to, so little time!  

There are many I never responded to but meant to even before my most recent posts in this thread, and now there are more.  Wow.  Well, let's just dive in here:
Quoted from Rochelle
Congrats PT! Keep up the good work!    

Last year I was 100% compliant on the O secretor diet but didn't shift a pound. Then I quit grains totally (had been having one portion every day) and I steadily lost a pound a week for 7 weeks.

I am amazed (amazed, I tell you!) by how just that one act, cutting out grains, gets me losing weight when NOTHING else seems to work.  And those "old school" dieticians and nutritionists who say calories in, calories out, are SO wrong!  I could mainline olive oil and saturated fat from red meat all day and not gain an ounce, but you give me two rice cakes--rice cakes, mind you, they have like zero calories and no fat--per day and I will definitely not lose and I will almost certainly gain, gain, gain.  Cutting out grains is not for everyone, but for O nonnies I really do think it is key, especially if you have a weight issue (as in, too much of the stuff).  For me to lose six pounds in a week and change is UNHEARD OF in recent times.  I know, as I said before in this thread, there were other factors in play such as I went from eating a bunch of avoids for a few weeks back to high compliance, but even that alone would not account for this.  So, not for everyone, but for O nonnies and for this O nonnie in particular, "It's the grains, stupid."  If it keeps up like this (with the scale moving), I think I will finally get that permanently.
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I really wish I could just stop.  And it's not necessarily plain rice that I can't stop eating.  It's moreso the rice dream bars (sweetened with corn and barley malt) from Whole Foods.  I am so addicted.

Well, any form of rice other than whole rice sets me off, too, but I want to say that I think it is the corn sweetener in the bars you describe that is killin' ya, cravings-wise and weight wise.  This may be BTD heresy to say but I think if you want some sort of ice cream bar, it is better to have a pure, albiet avoid dairy ice cream bar (provided the particular O individual making the choice does not have bad reactions to dairy such as sinus inflamation, digestive woes, etc.) versus an otherwise neutral, yet corn-sweetener-laden (which thus renders it an avoid anyway) rice alternative bar.  Put another way:  Both contain avoids, and I think--for me anyway, I know--pure dairy is a far better choice than corn sweetener, as avoids go.

Even better, if you crave a sweet, dairy-like treat, would be to whip up a delicious, nutritious smoothie made with your fave beneficial juice such as pineapple (about 1 cup), a banana, some fresh or frozen (frozen work very well in smoothies) berries like raspberries or blueberries, and a shot of 100% fruit concentrate such as concord grape.  Delicious and seems like a dairy treat, like a "shake", ya know?*

To all:  thanks for all the "right on!"s.  It's hammer time.

* edited to add:  or, if you are one of them thar chocolate-lovin' pups, you could add in some chocolate or carob instead of the berries and fruit concentrate.  You could also use (although this would be far more of a procedure to make, versus the breeze of making the above fruit smoothie) homemade nut milk (like almond) instead of the pineapple or other juice for a liquid...although pineapple goes with chocolate and what would be really good as a juice would be to use black cherry, as black cherry really marries well with chocolate.  Much easier than fooling with making your own nutmilk, too.  Egad.  Yeah, go with the black cherry juice, banana, and your fave broken up chocolate bar or cocoa powder, or carob.  Experiment until you find just the right combo of ingredients for you.  Oh--edited again to further add:  chocolate afficionados, do they make any sort of organic, PURE chocolate syrup that one can get at the HFS?  One could add in a tad of that instead of the fruit concentrate one would have in fruity versions and that would really sweeten it up nicely, especially if one used cocoa powder versus sweetened chocolate pieces.

Anyway...I'll leave it to you chocolate buffs out there to sort that lot out.  I just know how to make a mean fruit smoothie.  Never attempted a chocolatey one.  I was just thinking about it for mnicole, though, as I'll bet her rice dream bars are chocolate and that is part of what she craves.


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I was just thinking about it for mnicole, though, as I'll bet her rice dream bars are chocolate and that is part of what she craves.


You are right on about the chocolate.  And the more I think about it, it's definitely the corn sweetener, because whenever I eat chocolate rice dream sweetened with brown rice syrup (although that, too, is an avoid), I don't feel "addicted".  
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Thought so.  Corn syrup is SUCH nasty and carb-cravings-triggery stuff.  Run away.  Run far and run fast!



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Yes, well, that is the way it works, isn't it.  Grain equals fat.  At least with winter coming on, there is an opportunity to burn it off.  Sigh.
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Yes, well, that is the way it works, isn't it.  Grain equals fat.  At least with winter coming on, there is an opportunity to burn it off.  Sigh.

I am so all about gittin' 'er DONE.  No grains and upping the exercise, it's all I can do...short of portion control, but let's not go CRAZY here.

I had forgotten just how wonderfully and amazingly my body responds to a grain-free diet.

I had also forgotten just how much more variety and chi (life force) I naturally eat when not eating ole' shelf-stable grains.  I am already eating so much more greens, fruit, and variety of veggies.  Which sounds better:  a devoid-o-funk grain or alternatives like bright green broccoli florets, romaine lettuce, and gorgeous deep-orange sweet potato?

Far from feeling deprived, I'm remembering what it is to eat things that are ALIVE and to feel deeply nourished again as I did before I got "stuck in neutral".

No, this is the way to go for me.  As I say, cutting out all grains certainly isn't for all the blood types and so I don't want to confuse anyone whilst I'm in my dance of joy mode over it all.  But for O nonnies I do think it is the ideal.  Certainly for this one it is.

Everything in my body feels better, from my feet to my head.  And the feeling of being revitalized, jazzed, energized, it is awesome.  That I remembered.  But not as vividly as I do now that I'm experiencing it again.

And now that I'm getting back into the swing of it, it isn't hard!  It really helps having a freezer, fridge and stove, though *lol*.  I can see how I fell away when I did.  But man, I'm glad I'm back.  Actually, I fell away from being grain-free long before the kitchen went south on me.  And as Rochelle said, don't ask me WHY I started eating grains again when I did.  I guess I didn't fully understand just how crucial it is for me to be grain-free.  Gosh, I hope I do now.  I mean, I do NOW, but I hope I won't conveniently forget again at some point down the line.  I could see if I get to my goal weight, going to eating up to that one cup of cooked compliant grain (basically rice) per WEEK, but the SECOND I started to gain, I dearly hope I would remember, okay, that is why and STOP, you can't do it, even in "maintenance" mode with the weight.  But that bridge is far off as far as needing to be crossed.  I have...let's think about this...about 45 lbs to lose at least before I could even consider having a bite of rice, so no need to decide what I'll do at that point just yet.  For now I know I need to be blissfully grain-free.

No hardship there as I am loving living la vida chi-laden!



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chocolate afficionados, do they make any sort of organic, PURE chocolate syrup that one can get at the HFS?


There is Wax Orchards. CLICK.  Fruit sweetened fudge sauce, but there is the "natural flavoring".  

There's Ahlaska organic chocolate syrup, but it has xanthan gum I think.  And it's cane syrup sweetened which leaves me out.



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I could see if I get to my goal weight, going to eating up to that one cup of cooked compliant grain (basically rice) per WEEK, but the SECOND I started to gain, I dearly hope I would remember, okay, that is why and STOP, you can't do it, even in "maintenance" mode with the weight.  But that bridge is far off as far as needing to be crossed.  I have...let's think about this...about 45 lbs to lose at least before I could even consider having a bite of rice, so no need to decide what I'll do at that point just yet.  For now I know I need to be blissfully grain-free.


Dearest Peppy,
Be careful of even thinking these thoughts.  Can an alcoholic have one drink a week, after getting clean and clear headed and healthy again?  



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Dearest Peppy,
Be careful of even thinking these thoughts.  Can an alcoholic have one drink a week, after getting clean and clear headed and healthy again?  

You could so very easily be right, Victoria.  Thing is, part of me thinks finding a middle ground in most things in life is important, since I, by nature, am such an "all or nothing" type of person and that can be very unhealthy, unbalanced.  But then the other part of me, when it comes to this grain thing, thinks about what I know of alcoholism (which unfortunately is a lot given my family history and what I've taken it upon myself to learn because of that, in addition to knowledge that was thrust upon me because of that) and drug addiction--about any sort of addiction and addictive response, and I think, okay, I think I have that with certain refined carbohydrates, most of which are grains (but also with potato chips, for example...although I did much better on chips, seriously, once I started mixing them with protein, than I do on rice cakes [also eaten with protein], weird as that may sound to anyone on this earth other than a fellow nonnie).  And if I DO have that, if I have a true addictive response to them, then you are right and you can't just have "a little".

In fact, you know how I'm goin' around BTD Town hollering that I can't even have the 1 cup of cooked grain max portion per week, I have to stick to zero?  Well, I actually don't know that; for all I know, if I were to eat one cup of cooked grain per week, I would be okay.  Why do I not know for sure?  Because I CANNOT eat just one cup of grain, if I eat grain, I eat way more than I should...hmmmmm, what does that tell ya?

So, I don't know.

But I do know one thing that I thought of in the shower last night *lol*.  I do know that, while I say "I'm grain-free!" and that is great, it would not be great or even healthy at all to make a statement such as "I will NEVER eat a grain again!", as that would definitely be setting myself up for failure.  This is a lifestyle, something to sustain, not a finite "diet" that I'm on (although it is a diet, but it is one sustainable for a lifetime).  So, while my lifestyle is to eat zero grains, there may be times here and there that I do eat a grain during the course of the rest of my life.  If I set a standard that I NEVER can again, it is setting myself up for failure, setting myself up to get mad at myself, you see?  But I can say that my lifestyle choice is to be grain-free and if for some reason I eat a grain in the future, the next meal or the next day or as soon as I get out of the hospital where they are force-feeding me Farina or back from vakay where I'm staying at someone's house and every meal they serve only grains, or WHATEVER, I will go right back to my diet of choice.  Which is grain-free, baby!

Knock!  Knock!  

Who's there?  

Romaine!

Romaine who?  

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You are soooo right.  I haven't read all the posts, as I just found this thread.  But recently after a year, I bought this great brown rice I had found before & lo & behold, with the same calories a day, actually GAINED a few pounds.  It's amazing that the health establishment still believes in calories.  
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Have a GREAT day, Romaine!!  



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You are soooo right.  I haven't read all the posts, as I just found this thread.  But recently after a year, I bought this great brown rice I had found before & lo & behold, with the same calories a day, actually GAINED a few pounds.

Is that amazing?  Yet we all (all the O's responding in this thread, at a minimum) seem to experience the same thing.
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It's amazing that the health establishment still believes in calories.

It is amazing and so sad and infuriating.  NO ONE (outside of you fab guys) believes me when I say I can mainline olive oil but one rice cake will cause me to gain weight.

Thank GOD for the BTD, this cyber place, and you guys.  I literally don't know where I'd be or what I'd do without you.

I do know I'd think what the HECK is wrong with me that I gain weight by eating a rice cake?  And why does "healthy food" as defined by the old school diet gurus (a.k.a., low-fat--yes they are still on that, low-calorie, low-NUTRIENT, high in "wholesome whole grain nutrition" food) make me want to jump off a cliff onto the jagged rocks below?  And why can't I stick to any of their diets?  And why do I always feel like I'm starving?  And why do I gain 10,000 pounds more than I lost each time I go OFF their unstick-to-able diets?

Instead I am blessed and grateful to know I've found the diet that works for me, keeps me healthy/in-the-pink/vital, and it makes SENSE when you understand the science behind it.  And just as important, we all have each other from whom to learn even WAY more and to share experiences and support and a few knock-knock jokes along the way.




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There is Wax Orchards. CLICK.  Fruit sweetened fudge sauce, but there is the "natural flavoring".

Thanks for the Wax Orchards tip and link. It looks like they have some interesting products.

I wish they listed the ingredients on their website. However, I finally found one of their on line resellers that listed the ingredients, but they didn't list/sell all the Wax Orchards products. I also wish they offered an organic product line.



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At one point, I emailed the company and asked about ingredients, and they were quick to send a reply.
But that was three years ago, and I don't remember the details on the natural ingredients.  Everything else was just simple stuff, though.  At that time, I wasn't so much into the "fine print" like I am now!
(Eccentric, is the word!   )

Beware of that Fudge Sauce.  It's actually too good . . I mean, like eating it out of the jar, Good!  



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...At that time, I wasn't so much into the "fine print" like I am now!
(Eccentric, is the word!   )

Oh, I've informed my co-workers that I'm now officially a "health food nut" and don't even TRY to figure me out or why I won't eat this or that which they might think, from what little they attempt to understand of my diet, I could eat.  Just let me be the nut that I am and no one gets hurt!


edited to add:  That reminds me, I've GOT to post on TI yesterday.  I deserve some kind of award, that's all there is to that one!  I just sayin'!


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I, too, mainline the olive oil.  It even surprises me how much I can eat.  I seem to need the fat to feel full.  I even add oil to avocados as well.
PT, I'm glad you survived the relatives' visit & are determined to go grain-free.  [I also like Pamela's stuff, too.  Occasionally I have gotten the lowest-sugar ones & they are sooooo addictive!!]
My main HFS is 'closed for remodeling' which I suspect may be something worse.  I hope they can open up again.  They've been there over 30 years.
Whole Foods is near the bakery where I work, but I can't afford too much of it & am afraid they won't have the brands I got used to like Carlson's & Twinlab vitamins.
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Beware of those Pamela's, Mrs. T.  Right, Jane?  They are seriously, seriously likely to produce a sharp spike in your blood sugar, followed by cravings for more and more carbies, carbies, carbarinos!  Wu HUUUUUUUUUU!  They are, in other words, a "trigger" for derailment.

Sadly, we all concur:  they are soooooooooooooooo good.  I'm partial to the Lemon Shortbreads myself...omg, stop thinking of them, PT!  Mrs. T.!  Now you've gone and done it!  Ya had to mention Pamela's!

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I have this feeling that we nonnies are more vulnerable to carbs.

Nonnies of all the blood types are allowed fewer grains than the secretors get, according to Dr. D's lists.  I also find myself almost grain free, after living mainly on grains during my nearly 25 years of "trying to be a vegetarian".  Oh, the horrors!!!  And no doubt, I am a different person (for the better, yes!) eating the way I do now.



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Let's remember that Pamela's are also expensive.  We can always plead poverty-so we can save money to buy more meat!!! !
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Update!

I'm up to 7 to 10 lbs lost now, in 10 days.  This DOESN'T happen with me!  I haven't seen the scale boogie like this in years.  Since we are in a political season, I'll paraphrase an old political slogan as I did earlier in the thread:  "It's the grains, stupid."

I know it can't keep up like this and it will slow drastically, but if it at least keeps moving, even with a short plateau here and there, yay.  YAY, I tell you!

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P.S.  I only have about 50 more lbs. to lose from this point forward.  nunudoc says I need to get down to twig status, but I'll settle for just being a nice, solid branch.


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I'm with you there Peppermint Twist - I'm sure I'm not intended to be a twig.  Solid branch will do me nicely, if I ever get there........  

You seem to be going great guns without the grains - brilliant!!!


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I'm with you there Peppermint Twist - I'm sure I'm not intended to be a twig.  Solid branch will do me nicely, if I ever get there........  

You seem to be going great guns without the grains - brilliant!!!

 I can't believe it, kipperkid.  I really can't.  Disbelief reigning, right along with excitement.

Whoa.

If this works and I get down to anything even approaching my goal, I will have "gotten it" finally about grains and me.  I swear this to you here and now.  Message received:  Twisty + grains = fat.

So then people think I'm on this "low carb" diet but what is so funny/fascinating/proof of the BTD is that this isn't low-carb.  I eat sweet potatoes.  I eat bananas.  I eat concord grape concentrate.  I eat beans.  I eat nuts.  True, I'm eating a lot more low-glycemic carbs (romaine lettuce, etc.) versus the high-glycemic grains of choice (like rice cakes--those suckers are apparently off the GI charts), but still.  This isn't low carb.  It isn't anything reductionist.  That's why no one but you guys gets it.  It isn't any sort of reductionist label.  It is pure BTD and it is working and no one gets that, which is what Brig is talking about as an aside in her Oprah post, but we get it, so yay!  Let everyone else figure it out when they figure it out, I'm sick of trying to educate 'em *lol*!  Meanwhile, to quote an Applebee's ad, of all things, I'm "eatin' good in the neighborhood!"



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That is what I love so much about this diet - when I'm good about doing it consistantly - which I'm still struggling with - but I know I'll get back there eventually.  But anyway - I think people think I'm eating low carb but I'm so not and I know my body thanks me for it - we're just eating the right ones full of nutrients.  And I'm finally back to my morning fruit smoothies - which when I have those on a consistant basis I seem to do the absolute best with everything else BTD related - even though they're packed with carbs they are important for me to have consistantly.  


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But anyway - I think people think I'm eating low carb but I'm so not and I know my body thanks me for it - we're just eating the right ones full of nutrients.

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And I'm finally back to my morning fruit smoothies - which when I have those on a consistant basis I seem to do the absolute best with everything else BTD related

Bidiuk again!


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. . .  And I'm finally back to my morning fruit smoothies - which when I have those on a consistant basis I seem to do the absolute best with everything else BTD related - even though they're packed with carbs they are important for me to have consistantly.  


I'm with you on this one!  My morning Power Drink is a major player in my daily wellness program.  And there is so much room for experimenting with ingredients to add protein, vitamins, green stuff, beneficial fruits and juices, lecithin, etc.  (nutritional yeast!!!) (ground flax!!!!!)  



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Update:  The good news is that I exercised my ever-lovin' butt off this weekend.  My neighbor and bud (the one who originally showed me a copy of ER4YT, yay!) and I went on a marathon walk through our city.  I am talking, we walked from our houses (center of the city) to the east side of the city, then around this lake that has a walking trail around it, twice (hello, plantar fasciitis!), and back home.  Unlike me, who never stops when I am driving or walking alone, she made us stop in Starbucks so that she could pee and it just affirmed to me that I never need to go into a Starbucks.  My, my, MY.  Seven bucks and change for a coffee?  Well, it really isn't coffee, it is caffeinated dessert, but still, seven bucks?  And that was just the one I saw, I stopped glancing at the menu board after that.  I found the assortment of yupped-out people in there far more fascinating, as a cultural anthropology major.  But anyway, lived through that little sidebar and then on the way back, she made me stop at a 7-11 so she could buy us each a bottle of water, which ended up being the best thing anyone ever did for me, as nothing has ever tasted as good to me as that ice cold water did at that moment!  I knew I was thirsty but had no idea how thirsty until I started drinking that water.  It was then I realized that, had she not bought me that water, I would have expired on the way home fer shuuur.

Anyway, my foot was an awful sitch and is only now getting back to "normal" (which is still bad, but let's stay on topic), but other than that, the bod did great!  I could have gone another round the next day, if not for the foot thing.

2.  The bad news is that I have not lost any further weight in the last few days and may even have gained one pound.  I'm tending to panic a bit here over that because what if that little amazing spurt was it and now I'm back to Plateau City for the duration?  I hope not.  I'm just gonna keep on walking the grain-free walk and hope for the best.

And that's the latest from Grain-Free Central!  

P.S.  Did youzz know that blenders are up there in cost now?  30 or 40 buckaroos.  Doesn't seem like much but day-uuum, they used to be like 15 bucks a pop, ya know?  Oh!  Off topic:  I saw this thing on TV about the house of the future and it says it will have a way to "print out" a new blender if your blender breaks.  I am not making that up.


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Okay sib--don't worry about the weight loss stopping. I suspect you lost water weight initially; you know how that works. DO NOT PANIC. Now your body is ready to start the process of converting fat into energy, and doing it much more efficiently! Good times ahead!

You might consider taking a bottle of water with you when you walk. Let it warm up. Drinking ice cold water is really hard on your heart; cool water is better (though I know the cold stuff tastes good). That way you stay hydrated and stress your body out less. Small mouthfuls when you pause to take your pulse work best, in my experience.

I'm just now getting back to walking every other day. The summer heat totally trashed me, and I responded by getting hooked on wheat and other bad stuff again. Now I understand why that happened, and know that the best way to deal with summertime heat is to lose weight. And I'm doing it in a slow, responsible way, so that it will stay off and my health won't suffer. So you've got a partner twinnie! We just happen to be a few hundred miles apart, that's all.

In the priceless moments category, I truly wish it was possible to share my doctor's expression when I told him that I eat two eggs or some lamb or turkey sausage and a cup or more of kale, very lightly sauteed in olive oil and ghee, for breakfast every morning--and that's how my cholesterol and blood sugar came down to normal levels. He simply could not believe it. Heeeeee!


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Cold water is hard on your heart?  That's a new one, far as things I've ever heard of go.  I was actually psyched about the coldness level of the water, not only because it felt heavenly going down, but because I have heard that ice cold water consumed during exercise (or, actually, what I heard did not specify when the consumption should take place, it just said...the following) helps you lose weight by getting your metabolism going somehow.  And when I commented on that to my bud, she said, yeah, because...but I forget what she said.  It made sense though.

I usually drink my water at room temp., fyi.  I must secretly be British, and I base that conclusion on many reasons/clues, only one of which is that there is a British saying that:  Americans like their homes too warm and their beer too cold.  I'm with the Brits, I don't like my house over-heated and I don't like my beverages too cold, although too hot is even worse, but the point is that I'm a room temp. kinda gal.  I never have a cold beverage to offer visitors because I only drink Gerolsteiner and I keep a case of the stuff in the garage, retrieving as needed.  *shrug*


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According to TCM (Traditional Chinese Medicine) or at least this is what I've been told over the years, drinking or eating anything that is cold is hard on your organs, period. Drinking or eating food that is hot also is not good for your organs.

Victoria, correct me if I'm confused about this, but my acupuncturist said I should give up drinking cold foods/drinks because it was over taxing my lungs.


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Well, that may be true most of the time but I'll tell you what, that ice-cold water at that moment was the only thing standing between me and the pearly gates *lol*.  Seriously, I do think that the cold was good for me at the time, as I was over-heated.  If I could have simultaneously plunged myself into the ocean while drinking it, even better.  As it was, this was the next best thing.

As a rule, though, I like my beverages and my food closer to tepid than anything else.  No one else in my family is like that, btw.  They like their hot food and hot beverages BOILING to the point of burning one's (well, my) tongue.  I always have to wait for everything to cool down but not them, boy, they drink beverages at temperatures that would boil away my tongue (eeeeew--did I just write that?  Sorry to be so graphic...).


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According to TCM (Traditional Chinese Medicine) or at least this is what I've been told over the years, drinking or eating anything that is cold is hard on your organs, period. Drinking or eating food that is hot also is not good for your organs.

Victoria, correct me if I'm confused about this, but my acupuncturist said I should give up drinking cold foods/drinks because it was over taxing my lungs.


Hi Drea,
According to TCM, extremes of temperatures in foods tax the internal organs.  I think it was back in the 70's, when people were trying to find ways of losing weight that involved no self control, they would eat foods that cost more calories to digest than the food provided for the body's sustenance.  At that time, some people ate their food icy cold because the theory was that it took so many calories to warm up their digestive tract, they would then burn more calories than they were ingesting and thus, lose weight.    A good way to throw the system out of whack!

Probably occasionally, it won't do much harm, but as a daily practice, I'd say beware.  
On a hot day, cool drinks can be a wonderful treat, never with ice in it, though.  And if it's straight out of the cooler, maybe let it warm just a few degrees.  Better to use the bottle on your forehead for a few minutes while it warms up and your face cools down.  Cold, wet cloths on the face and neck is a healthier way to cool down fast.



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Truly, had the bottle been enlarged and I could have plunged INTO it, thus cooling my whole self down, so much the better.  As it was, I drank it and I can tell it was highly beneficial.  I did also use the cold bottle to get the blood to flow OUT of my ever-lovin' fingers, as when you walk a long way like that in heat, your fingers tend to swell up.  All in all, that was the best .99 cents my friend could have ever spent on me.  When I get over-heated, I just want someone to fling me in the ocean.  But failing that option being at hand, this was the next best thing.

btw, in on-line tests, I come out as Ayurvedic type "pitta" (fire).  For that particular thing (Ayurvedic types), it seems to me that on-line tests aren't very accurate and one would need to really go to an expert and be evaluated.  The tests ask a bunch of questions that are difficult to answer yourself, imho, at least for someone like me who, as I was just posting in another thread, is not really observant of physical characteristics/the physical world, and is more existing in "the clouds" (i.e., an INFJ).  When it asks things like "Is your face more of an oval, an egg, or an egg-like oval?", I'm at a loss *lol*!  But anyway, if I am indeed a pitta, maybe that is why I tend to "run hot" and gravitate mightily towards things like oceans, swimming pools and any cold body of water...even a plastic water bottle in a fridge at 7-11!


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Truly, had the bottle been enlarged and I could have plunged INTO it, thus cooling my whole self down, so much the better.

btw, in on-line tests, I come out as Ayurvedic type "pitta" (fire).  . . . "Is your face more of an oval, an egg, or an egg-like oval?", I'm at a loss *lol*!  But anyway, if I am indeed a pitta, maybe that is why I tend to "run hot" and gravitate mightily towards things like oceans, swimming pools and any cold body of water...even a plastic water bottle in a fridge at 7-11!


   I get the picture!

hmmm, an egg, an oval, or an egg-like oval . . ?    How can anyone answer a question like that.  Oh, I'm an INFJ.   I don't have a clue what shape I would describe any part of me as being.  I test out to be a Pitta, also, btw.  



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2.  The bad news is that I have not lost any further weight in the last few days and may even have gained one pound.  I'm tending to panic a bit here over that because what if that little amazing spurt was it and now I'm back to Plateau City for the duration?  I hope not.  I'm just gonna keep on walking the grain-free walk and hope for the best.


Do not panic, look at it on the positive side. You give me some time to get myself a magnifying glass so I can see you when i meet you.

Take good care and continue on your good roll. Good things take their time comming round but they do come.



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Update:  I'm doing very well with the grain-free diet, but the scale has stopped its beautiful slide.  In fact, I've gained a hair.  VERY discouraging, I must say.

The only thing left is to step up the exercise to notches unknown, as I did last Saturday.  Again this weekend, I shall commence.

I just don't see how I can eat what I eat and weigh what I weigh, and some other pups can eat what THEY eat, and be slim.  But you know--and it may sound mean that I take comfort or smugness or SOMETHING bad in this *lol*, but--the co-workers I have who are the most into planning and executing the big gorging parties at TI are indeed all very overweight.  One is overweight and has adult-onset diabetes.  The other three are just very overweight.  So it isn't like they are able to eat the TI way and not pay for it.

I just don't see why I, too, am heavy, when I really eat right.  However, far from having diabetes, my blood profile is excellent.  And, for a creaky-n-crunchy nonnie, I'm not in bad shape...well, yeah, I am, but I'm not in THAT bad shape.  So the weight is the only thing that really needs to come into line, and I can't expect it to hop to immediately after quite a while of being "stuck in neutral" and then a few weeks of utter debauchery like I had.  It responded mightily to me ditching the grains, and now it is throttling back a tad.  They say your body will do that, as we are programmed via eons of evolution to hold ON to weight, not jettison it.  Maybe this is a natural "correction", as economists say *rolling eyes*.

It just does get discouraging because, I must say, I have the metabolism of a slab of marble.  Short of jumping up and down all day, I don't know what more I can do to shock it into gear.  Maybe I should get a rebounder afterall.

edited to add:  lol, maybe I could place a small rebounder in my cube at work and bounce around instead of sitting in a chair.  ...Yeah, I'm sure that would go over well with the boss right now...(not).


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P.S.  Some pups, however, who regularly cruise by TI and pick up and eat all manner of cake, etc., ARE slim and that part is discouraging to witness day after day.  But I just really think the majority of slim cake-gorgers are secretors, because nonnies couldn't get away with it, period.

Not that I'm bitter.  

(calm down, secretors, you know I love youzz...i'm just jealous that you can get away with murder and I must stick to raw kale and freshly felled cattle, is all...)


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P.P.S.  But there is slim, and there is healthy.  Not necessarily the same thing.  There is this VERY slim woman here who was recently diagnosed with osteopenia, a severe loss of bone density, worse than osteoporosis.  She is tiny but she eats nothing but junk from the vending machine.

So, frustrated as I get about my weight problem, I'll stick to my native O diet, thank you.  I battle weight, but I'm healthy.  And one of these years, the weight will come into line, I swear that.  It will be sooner rather than later, too.  Saturday:  we walk!


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Chinese wisdom says that comparisons are are useless activity. If you compare yourseld to someone worse off you feel good. If you compare yourself with someone better off you feel bad. In neither case you have truth.

Stick to your BTD and with time, your weight will shift again. You know so.

You can do it. It is your body wanting the pleasurable (not so in reality) way out.

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Have you considered using Deflect O agressively for a few months to help you lose weight, particularly since you recently were eating wheat?
3. One way this repair mechanism works is by 'prying off' lectins which have already adhered to cellular receptors, such as insulin. Since insulin blockage by dietary lectins has been linked to both insulin resistance and obesity, using DEFLECT can help accelerate weight reduction in diet-compliant individuals by speeding up the time it takes for the regeneration of new insulin receptors or the 'cleansing' of the old ones. This can take upwards of one year in some individuals who just follow the diet, and explains why some dieters do not see weight loss in the early stages of the program.


If not Deflect O, then at least some N-Acetyl Glucosamine.


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I so know what you mean about an O nonnie giving up grains for weight loss. I recently lost close to 30 pounds doing that and I, like you, had also tried EVERYTHING prior to that to lose and nothing worked. In my case, I went a step further then just eliminating grains though and gave up fruits for a couple of months and strictly limited carbs such as yams and beans (I would have a small cup of beans or a half of a yam with dinner). By doing this, I discovered that when it comes to weight loss, my body does the absolute best on meats, veggies and nuts and VERY few carbs. Since I am also hypoglycemic, I also eat frequent small meals (every 2 to 3 hours) and I have noticed that I am hardly ever hungry.  

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Chinese wisdom says that comparisons are are useless activity. If you compare yourseld to someone worse off you feel good. If you compare yourself with someone better off you feel bad. In neither case you have truth.

The 12-step programs such as AA, ACOA, etc. have a similar saying:

"Don't compare your inside to somebody else's outside."

Very wise, that.



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Have you considered using Deflect O agressively for a few months to help you lose weight...

Interesting thought about the insulin receptor "cleansing".  As I understand it, the glucosamine sulfate I take does not do the same thing, correct?  It does bind with the wheat lectin and thus it is a help after eating wheat in terms of binding to the lectin and carrying it relatively harmlessly out of your bod, but my understanding is that, for that purpose, the glucosamine form in Deflect is superior, and for outright prying off of lectins from the insulin receptors, the Deflect form is a necessity...right?

If I did get Deflect, could I take it in addition to the glucosamine sulfate I already take for the purpose of cartilege repair, or would I have to choose between the two and jettison the "regular" glucosamine for a bit?  And how long do you think one should take Deflect for "lectin scrubbing" purposes?  A week?  A month?

Sumpum ta think about, fer shur.  Thanks, MoDon.



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I so know what you mean about an O nonnie giving up grains for weight loss. I recently lost close to 30 pounds doing that and I, like you, had also tried EVERYTHING prior to that to lose and nothing worked. In my case, I went a step further then just eliminating grains though and gave up fruits for a couple of months and strictly limited carbs such as yams and beans (I would have a small cup of beans or a half of a yam with dinner). By doing this, I discovered that when it comes to weight loss, my body does the absolute best on meats, veggies and nuts and VERY few carbs. Since I am also hypoglycemic, I also eat frequent small meals (every 2 to 3 hours) and I have noticed that I am hardly ever hungry.

Hmmm...very validating, what you say about having tried EVERYTHING prior to jettisoning grains and nothing else did squat.  I have been able to lose weight in the past, when I was YOUNGER, with anti-O regimens such as a low-fat *shudder*, high-complex carb *gag reflex*, even vegetarian diet, but I always felt like I was STARVING and I always went on a rebound spree afterwards and gained everything back plus a ton.  The O diet is the only thing that has ever felt nourishing, satisfying and lasting to me.  But at this point, the weight doesn't come off unless the grains are out the window.

Never can get myself to try the small, frequent meal thing.  I just can't.  Kinda like calcium supplementation, I can't do it, I tell youz!

Hopefully keeping the grains gone and the exercise stepped up will do the trick.



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I would take the NAG form of glucosamine either in Deflect O or separately for best results.
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Glucosamine can also be acetylated to form N-acetylglucosamine, the protein sugar specific for binding the very disruptive lectin found in wheat. Since wheat seems to be particularly difficult on blood type O, binding this lectin is a good strategy for O's with arthritis. Giving N-acetylglucosamine directly would probably be an even better strategy for O's.

I would take Deflect O or NAG, which is recommended in the Arthritis book, for as long as you want to continue to lose weight and/or have trouble with arthritis.


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Good advice from MoDon there!  I agree.  Deflect taken away from food does some wonderful things to the healing and balancing of metabolism.  

I want to also suggest to beware of snacking (grazing).  It can keep your digestion in a state of constant work, so that it loses it's ability to rest and conduct activities appropriately.  I think it messes up the metabolism.  Better for an O to eat regular large meals, and leave the nibbling to the A's.



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...beware of ...(grazing).  It can keep your digestion in a state of constant work, so that it loses it's ability to rest and conduct activities appropriately.  I think it messes up the metabolism.  Better for an O to eat regular large meals, and leave the nibbling to the A's.

I've always felt that intuitively and posted about that before Dr. D. actually said something similar in, was it LR4YT?  Anyway, I've always felt that the grazing/six-small-meals-per-day thing was an A thing and eating two to three regular meals is an O thing.  But lately I'm all turned around because nunudoc told me to graze (but then, since then, I've decided she doesn't know nuttin' about nuttin'), plus the whole world now seems to be saying graze, graze, graze, eat six small meals per day, so that weirds me out.  But then, "they" used to say eat low-fat and 11 portions of pasta per day, too, so perhaps the key is to stop listening to "them" *lol*.



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Hi, P.T.,
those folks who walk by eating cake and are still slim are from a different planet...like my daughter in law. she doesn't think about food until starvation overcomes her...those folks may not have eaten breakfast...my DIL doesn't, says she isn't at all interested ...she'll come over at dinnertime and say she hasn't eaten all day. Then will she pig out? no, just eat a bit.
But ...on another note, this thread is awesome and I'm trying out la vida grainfree! This morn I had ground beef, kale, and onions......the meat and vegetable classic of BTD fame! Keep on inspiring us! jayney
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But then, "they" used to say eat low-fat and 11 portions of pasta per day, too, so perhaps the key is to stop listening to "them" *lol*.


"They" also said:

1.  Only vegetarians can be healthy.
2.  Eat lots of whole wheat.
3.  Soy is the best source of protein for everyone.
4.  Drink milk!  
5.  Eggs will cause heart disease.
6.  Red meat will kill you.
7.  Cheerios will lower cholesterol.
8.  Margarine is better than butter.
9.  Saturated fat is bad.
10.  Polyunsaturated fats are healthy.

Who do "they" think they are, anyway? !!!  

   



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Here is another suggest to help get/keep the weight loss going.

Do you use vegetable glycerine? If not, you may want to start using some for awhile.
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Glycerine is the only effective humectant that can be used by non-secretors, since it can be shunted to either fat metabolism or glucose production, depending on metabolic status. Glycerine can be a carb on occasion, a fat precursor on occasion, a phosphoglyceride precursor on occasion, and it can simply pass through the body unused. For non-secretors, this is perfect. Thus, although it is there for moisture retention, it also tends to optimize fat<->carb<->fat conversion which is genetically a problem with non-secretors.

The mentor that introduced me to the concept that lectins can exert metabolic effects in hampering weight loss was fond of having his patients drink glycerine as a way to 'prime' the conversion of fat cell bound glycerol back to glycogen-glucose.



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Congratulations PT!!!!   That is something to be VERY proud of!!!   I was warned about those grains, even the good ones.  I don't eat them much, but obviously for some reason I can't get the scale to move other than the same three lbs. up & down for close to two mos.  UGH!  Oh well, in time with some patience, lol.   I am SO proud of ya!   Dale
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If not eating wheat, rice, or grain as far as I know, can deflect still help the weight come off faster?
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Hi, P.T.  ...this thread is awesome and I'm trying out la vida grainfree! This morn I had ground beef, kale, and onions......the meat and vegetable classic of BTD fame! Keep on inspiring us! jayney

Welcome to la vida grain-free!  That is a classic you had this morning.  Add some sweet potato to that and it would kick it up even more.  Although your version is lower-carb, if anyone is into trying for that specifically.

Anyway, glad to have another grain-free girl on board!  (Note:  grain-free boys are welcome to join us in la vida grain-free, too!)



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"They" also said:

1.  Only vegetarians can be healthy.
2.  Eat lots of whole wheat.
3.  Soy is the best source of protein for everyone.
4.  Drink milk!  
5.  Eggs will cause heart disease.
6.  Red meat will kill you.
7.  Cheerios will lower cholesterol.
8.  Margarine is better than butter.
9.  Saturated fat is bad.
10.  Polyunsaturated fats are healthy.

Who do "they" think they are, anyway? !!!  

   

And my personal favorite:

11.  Only fat can make you fat.  Your body cannot turn complex carbohydrates into fat.  Eat as much pasta as you want and just avoid fat.  (almost verbatim from "Choose to Lose" diet...grrrrrrrrrrrr)


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Here is another suggest to help get/keep the weight loss going.

Do you use vegetable glycerine?

No!  That stuff is nasty, MoDon.  Don't mean to sound ungrateful for the suggestion, as I'm sure it is a good one and will help someone or several someones out there reading this thread, but as for moi, I'll stick with having the metabolism of a slab of Vermont marble, if it is a choice between that and drinking glycerine.



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...i'm just jealous that you can get away with murder and I must stick to raw kale and freshly felled cattle, is all...)


FYI, raw kale (and other cruciferous veggies) contains goitrogens, which may inhibit thyroid function.  This may not be an issue unless you have thyroid problems, but if you are trying to lose weight, why chance it?  Cooking appears to reduce/inactivate goitrogens.





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Kate, good point, thanks for the 411 there.  I do eat a lot of broccoli but I cook it first.  Can't imagine raw broccoli--which my Type A mom used to put out on a platter with other "crudités" for dippin' in something like ye olde Lipton onion dip (ah, the 70's and my parents with their bridge games *lol*)--with anything other than a ton of roquefort on it, to make me not notice or care that my roquefort contains RAW BROCCOLI in it *lol*.  I'd eat roquefort on cardboard, makes no nevermind to me.  But now, I don't see a need to consume raw broccoli.  Trees belong in the ground, not in my mouth, that's my motto.


Much as I love cooked kale, I'd have to say that it is no prob for me to avoid raw kale, either.


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FYI, raw kale (and other cruciferous veggies) contains goitrogens, which may inhibit thyroid function.  This may not be an issue unless you have thyroid problems, but if you are trying to lose weight, why chance it?  Cooking appears to reduce/inactivate goitrogens.


This saddens me about raw kale. I like it a lot shredded up with raw broccoli stems and marinated in evoo, lemon juice, and agave nectar. I wonder if the lemon juice 'cooks' it like lemon juices cooks fish and eggs? Ah, well, as far as I know (which isn't very far, I admit) I don't have thyroid issues. Typically I don't eat many raw vegetables in the winter months, with the exception of salad greens.


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About grazing--I need to eat several times a day.  My A mom & O dad didn't.
I think that's why I have low blood sugar now.  We weren't allowed to snack & I was hungry for hours a day since age 12.  If I were allowed to snack during those few years when everyone gets the "hungries'-12-14 for girls (& 12 to 24? for guys or something like that), maybe I would have gotten what I needed & not obsessed about when I was going to eat.  Since my 30s when I eat almost when I want to, I'm not hungry all the time & am not suffering as much in that area!  What liberation!
My AB husband doesn't get hungry very often, either.  My B son got hungry a lot as a child & was always very small until mid-teens & still is shorter than average, but not tiny.  My O sister likes to eat late & not snack the last I knew. I do better with a big midday meal & can eat less at night.  All close relatives that I know of are night eaters. It's strange how we are different!
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PT, I've been following this thread with great interest.  I wonder if you are sensitive/allergic to grains...Duh, you may
be saying, but anyway, I just remembered one of the many "diet" books I read was called "False Fat" (at least I think
it was, by Dr. Nelson Haas).  His theory was that if we are eating stuff that we are "allergic" to we bloat out and gain....now I don't think this is that different from the BTD,  as when we eat the avoids, etc, we do the same thing.
Anyway, maybe even ok grains  do that..... I know that I initially lost a certain amount of weight when I seriously ditched the wheat.  Now I do tend to overdo the rice on occasion.  Interesting, huh?  Anyway, on days when I have avoided grains, I lose also.  But I have never been consistent.  So this thread and your story is inspirational....Keep up the good work. I suspect you will still lose, just more slowly

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Update:  I'm holding right now at about 7 or 8 lbs lost since ditching grains.  I'm bummed that things have slowed again since the initial 5 lb. drop.  Since then I've had to work very hard for the additional 1 or 2 lbs.  I'm walking, walking, walking, WALKING.  Plantar fasciitis or whatever the flip it is wrong with my right foot be darned!

I'm holding fast to the no grains.  Sometimes it is hard because, as Brig so classically, hilariously and accurately pointed out to me recently, "being a Type O is pretty cool...it's just d*mn inconvenient when you want a sandwich."  Well, along that line, it is so convenient to go for the refined grains sometimes, to slap together a sandwich or even throw together something with brown rice, etc.  It seems so much more challenging to keep fresh veggies in the house and prepare them instead.  The key is planning.  I try to cook up a bunch of rootin' tootin' root veggies and other carby-type veggies once per week to use in the place of grains.  Like, the other day, I roasted up a bunch of sweet potatos, shallots (never had those before--interesting!  You always hear about 'em on cooking shows, and they are nice!), radishes (they had some gorgeous ones still attached to their stems at the HFS.  I cut the stems off, roasted 'em, and YUM), and purple onions with a little organic poultry seasoning (left over from Thanksgiving--this is mostly sage), sea salt and olive oil.  So then I had these veggies to mix and match with various and sundry protein sources for a few meals.

It is also helpful to keep bags of salad greens like romaine lettuce around, but sometimes I buy it and then don't use it.  I go through salad phases and then phases when I stare at the bag and know I SHOULD have it but I don't want it.

I have got to get a blender one of these years and get back to smoothie making.  Fruit smoothies make the grain-free world go round, imho.  Plus they seem to help me lose weight.  I did look at blenders recently but they all seemed cheaply made yet too expensive.  I'm going to check at Bed, Bath and Beyond, which has recently re-opened here after being closed since that freak storm we had in February, which blow down its roof.

ANYHOOO, doing well.  Even though the weight loss has throttled back as I feared it would, it has not come to a total standstill.  Also, I can feel my leg muscles, etc., getting stronger, as I am walking a LOT.  As I've said, it's go time.  My face is getting thinner, too.

What is weird about my body fat distribution is that the only parts of me that really get fat are my BUTT, hips, thighs and upper legs.  The rest of me stays pretty much fine unless I'm at a very high weight, at which point, everything gets a little fat, but still it is mainly in the southland that I get whale-like.  It is funny because I can fit in any size top, basically, but trying to find pants that fit is a six-hour project (seriously).  Anyway, so I'm really working on the lower "pear" areas.

I'm trying to git 'er done, people.

I must say I do wish I could at least buy the compliant 100% rye or rice bread to make SANDWICHES with, but then again I wasn't doing that in recent years, even when I wasn't grain-free.  It just does take a lot of planning to be grain-free, because you must ENSURE that you have in the house, prepare and consume daily enough veggies and fruits to make up for the grains you aren't having.  You have to live fresh, which means a lot of shopping and prepping.  Then again, if you really are organized and plan well (not my forte!), you can freeze a lot of stuff in Gladware and then you are set (if you remember to defrost as needed).  I saved a few single-serving Gladwares of turkey and grain-free squash and artichoke stuffing, and I can take them to work and microwave them for lunch like I have already done once.  DELISH.  But that stuffing was a LOT of work and I don't do that all the time.  I just have to change my lifestyle a bit for the better here and get more into setting aside time to plan and cook meals to freeze.  Hard to squeeze that in between working full time, taking care of four pets, a house, a yard, etc., and walking so dern much *lol*!

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P.S.!!!  Yay!

Encouraged by something I just bothered to take the time to calculate.  This thread is really helping me, btw.  In fact, this board as a support group and tool for weight loss and/or whatever one is trying to accomplish with the BTD ROCKS, but I digress slightly.  This thread is kind of a way to "journal" and have a reference point and I see that I first went grain-free on Oct. 23.  So, depending on whether I've lost 7 or 8 pounds, I have either lost an average of 1.4 lbs per week or 1.6 pounds per week.  Granted, they (the infamous "they" again) say you can lose about 2 lbs per week safely and that is about what you can strive for in a sane weight loss program, so I'm a little under par.  HOWEVER, at least I see that I'm going at a respectable clip, I'm not at the standstill it can feel like sometimes.  The initial dramatic five-pound drop had to be balanced by a period of leveling off a bit, yet I'm still losing at least 1.4 lbs per week on average.  I'll take it!  It may take me a few centuries to get the 50 lbs off, but it is moving!  If it ain't broke, don't fix it:  I'm gonna keep up with the grain-free'ing and the walking!

I'm glad this thread is here for me to refer to when it feels like nothing is happening, as really things ARE moving along.

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It is also helpful to keep bags of salad greens like romaine lettuce around, but sometimes I buy it and then don't use it.  I go through salad phases and then phases when I stare at the bag and know I SHOULD have it but I don't want it.


One thing that I've been doing lately is to buy whole heads of romaine and wash/dry/ chop it up, put a paper towel inside a plastic bag, and keep the whole thing in the fridge.

Also, I've been pre-chopping/shredding my veggies like celery, carrots, green onions, etc and keeping them in separate containers in the fridge so I can throw together a salad at a moments notice, or even use them in stirfrys.

I notice that in the colder months (I realize you live in FL where the term cold is relative) I don't want raw veggies or salad as often. But it's nice to be able to eat fast food because sometimes I don't have time to make a big production out of eating.


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I also go through phases where I get so sick of salads that I just can't bare the thought of another one.  I think that's why the thought of soup lately has been so appealing to me.  But to have compliant soup that means making it myself.  And right now I have a bunch of this wonderful home made turkey soup that I used the turkey bones to make the stock.  And then I waited about 3 days to eat it and the flavor is truely wonderful.  I was tempted to add rice to it but decided to add a can of black eyed peas to it along with some tomatoe sauce and and onions, celery and garlic and it is so good.  And now I feel so much more confident in making soup stock that I need to try it with some beef for sure.  So today will be a grain free lunch of that soup along with some leftover sweet potatoe stuffing from Thanksgiving - yum.  On Monday I had some of my soup with me for lunch and someone walked through our lunch room and stopped and told me how great my food always smells - and someone sitting at the table with me - who always brings frozen dinners for lunch almost every single day - either that or pizza said it was because I bring in home made food.  So, it's interesting how people notice what I eat and think it's so great when I tend to think I'm not all that great of a cook - but it is at least made by me and not heated up from a frozen chunk of who knows what?!?  


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Hey, PT!  Remember that you may be gaining muscle as you lose fat!
So you may be losing, e.g., 2# of fat a week & gaining 1# of muscle.
The appearance may be a better indicator than the scale!
BTW, after a year of 130 with eating fewer carbs, I have gained 5# by adding more Nishiki brown rice(a good, clean name brand).  I'll have to taper it off again.
During the past year, I was using organic brown rice flour & it was OK.  I wonder if organic has anything to do with weight control.  I bet it's a little bit of the equation.
 Keep up the good work & remember that we Os are the expensive, time-consuming type--but that it's worth the effort.  I love the saying you posted,  "Nothing tastes as good as health feels."  Get it copywrited!!
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Soup!  Missy, what a brilliant idea.  I have never mastered the art of stock-making but now it is time to learn.  Goodness knows I have tons of cookbooks.  I just need to get a good soup pot and get about employing the John Dewey method of "learning by doing".

I'm so glad you posted this because I think soup could be a key for me to sticking with the grain-free lifestyle.  If I get to where I can make wonderful soups such as you just described, I can simply freeze up a bunch and defrost as needed.  No need to buy frozen dinners like your co-worker to bring for lunch if you simply do this, and how much better is homemade soup in terms of nourishment, purity, and dare I say satisfaction than your co-worker's Lean Cuisine or Swanson Whatever, which is basically corn syrup, wheat and transfats?

I'm so glad you brought up soup just now!  I think I'm going to embark on a soup spree!  Thanks, Missy.  This is what I love about this board (among other things), that just when you need someone to mention something, they mention it, even though you didn't know what it was that you needed to have mentioned!

Soup!  YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!


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Hey, PT!  Remember that you may be gaining muscle as you lose fat!

See, case in point, here's another instance in which someone mentioned something I needed to hear!  Because after I posted the post above about how I calculated that things truly are moving along apace, I got depressed again when I thought about how, considering that I lost the first five pounds in that first week, I have really only lost one or two pounds in the past MONTH...but it is better to focus on the average loss per week, I guess.  Still, it helps to remember that I might be gaining muscle at the same time with all the walking I'm doing.  I'm talking WALKING!  Saturday I walked for hours and hours and couldn't even count the blocks but it was around 90.  What a lovely, wonderful, special city it is that I live in!

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I love the saying you posted,  "Nothing tastes as good as health feels."  Get it copywrited!!

Well, while I did make it up in the sense of changing one word to "health", I kinda sorta "borrowed" the general idea from, of all things, an old Jenny Craig TV ad for that diet which had the slogan, "Nothing tastes as good as thin feels."  I like my version, with the word "health" in there much better!


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Glad I could help with the soup suggestion.  Do you have any turkey bones left over from Thanksgiving?  If so, just start your soup experimenting with that - put it in a pot and simmer it with some onions, garlic, celery and whatever other veggies you want to add in and let it go for several hours.  Or if you have a crock pot you could maybe simmer everything in there while you're at work.  I made mine on the Friday after Thanksgiving when I was at home.  And I would suggest after getting the stock made to let it sit in your fridge for a couple of days to let all the flavors come together - that's what I did and it's so yummy.  And the black eyed peas work wonderfully for a grain substitute in the soup.  If I would have had some canned tomatoes on hand they would have gone in too but all I had was the tomatoe sauce so that worked just fine and mainly just added to the flavor I think.  Oh and one thing I did do is add a good amount of sea salt - I didn't measure it but just kept adding it until it tasted right.  


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Oh and as far as the lack of satisfaction from those frozen meals that so many of my co-workers bring in - I often sit there with whatever I bring from home and I look at what they have in these little plastic trays - with the tiny little portions and usually graven laden grayish kind of food and I wonder how they can ever get full at all?  I seem to be able to eat so much more food than they do - I never say anything about the frozen dinners and I really don't talk much about the BTD unless I'm asked but I just can't see why people chose those to eat day after day.  I can see once in a while but there is one girl who literally has one almost every single day and wonders why she has problems with migranes and vertigo.  I could probably tell her exactly why - but I can just tell she's not open to that kind of stuff at all.  


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Missy, I remember when I used to think that cooking meant: out of the freezer, into the microwave, and onto the plate. **. It's true that I couldn't get full eating just one, so I used to routinely eat two.

A big bowl of homemade soup, or a stirfry, or homemade whatever is far superior to the aforementioned freezer junk, even if the former has more 'calories', it also has more Qi.


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... there is one girl who literally has one almost every single day and wonders why she has problems with migranes and vertigo.  I could probably tell her exactly why - but I can just tell she's not open to that kind of stuff at all.  

omg, she has migraines and vertigo?  Those are both such quality-of-life affecting disorders that I would suggest just trying to gently broach the subject of how diet can affect things like that.  Also, for the vertigo, if there is anything in your area called a "Center for Balance" or something like that, she might want to go to one.  There are a few of these in different regions of the country and, as I understand it, they take an interdisciplinary approach to vertigo and try to treat it with balance exercises, etc., versus drugs.  Thank GOD I didn't end up needing to find out, as my vertigo turned out to be caused by a double ear infection.  It has not come back, thank God, thank God, thank God, because I can tell you it was one of the scariest things I've ever been through.  I was so scared that I might be stuck with it and that my quality of life would basically be gone, let alone my ability to even function (take care of the house, the pets, work, drive, etc.).  Scary, scary stuff.  Just a few bouts of it during that mystifying-as-to-how-I-contracted-it ear infection were enough to prompt me to respond here and say, even if she seems like the resistent sort and the will-brush-off-any-suggestion-to-look-into-diet-to-help-with-this sort, I would STILL give it a try.  The worst she can do is brush off the suggestion.  I feel really bad for her.  Migraines AND vertigo.  Man.



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I'm thinking that the less we say about the BTD, the better;  that is . . until someone notices our health, or increasing youthfulness, or absence of ailments, and then ASKS us about what we do.  Then, they will want to hear about how we eat.  (I'm referring here to the people at work who don't want to hear about our approach to food, and not referring to the person with migranes and vertigo.)

Edna,
Anytime I start exercising more than usual, I always put on a few pounds.  It makes me upset at first, and then I remember about the weight of muscle being more than fat, and I'm ok with it again.  Keep up your walking.  One of the biggest benefits is that it will keep your metabolism awake and burning calories even when you are sitting still.

And check out the thread on Rebounding again, especially the links to benefits of rebounding.  I am loving the way it is firming my body all over, even places that I am not actively using, like backs of my arms, and the buttocks.  Remember, you don't have to jump on it.  It's the bouncing that is so good for the cells of your body.  And it helps clean up the lymphatic system, improve digestion, aid in sound sleep, clear up the complexion and rev up the immune system.  



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Well the tough thing with her is she always thinks she is extremely poor and she often makes comments about how fresh fruits and vegetables are usually too expensive for her to even buy - so she stocks up on the really cheap versions of the frozen meals - the ones that are usually on sale for $1 each or sometimes even less and pretty much thinks she's doing well because at least she's not getting fast food.  I see her with apples or pears once in a while, but that's about it and any veggies are usually from the frozen dinners and are usually peas or corn.  She actually knows about the BTD at least somewhat - I told her about it when my homeopoathic doc first put me on it and when I was still learning about it, but I just think she'd tell me that the changes she'd need to make were too expensive.  


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Victoria, will do on the rebounding front.  Who is TUT?  Very wise and very provocative...and scary.  This whole life business is not for the fainthearted.  I don't know why it should be that "following your bliss" is so scary, yet it is.  Seems like it should be bliss *L*.  *shrug*


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Well the tough thing with her is she always thinks she is extremely poor and she often makes comments about how fresh fruits and vegetables are usually too expensive for her to even buy - so she stocks up on the really cheap versions of the frozen meals - the ones that are usually on sale for $1 each or sometimes even less and pretty much thinks she's doing well because at least she's not getting fast food.  I see her with apples or pears once in a while, but that's about it and any veggies are usually from the frozen dinners and are usually peas or corn.  She actually knows about the BTD at least somewhat - I told her about it when my homeopoathic doc first put me on it and when I was still learning about it, but I just think she'd tell me that the changes she'd need to make were too expensive.  

People tell me I spend too much on organic food, shopping at the HFS, etc., and I just tell them I'm investing in my health because quality in, health out, versus junk in, accessing the health care system out, ya know?  I figure I can pay more now to build and maintain health, or pay more later to go to doctors and take prescription drugs.  I like Option A!  A stitch in time saves nine!

Another thing is that, with careful planning (which I don't do, but theoretically one COULD *lol*), you can buy fruits and veggies and high-quality meats, cook up a bunch of entrees at once, freeze in single-serving Gladware (I'm all about Gladware, can yazzz tell?), and it would be not only so much higher in quality than the frozen meals she is buying, and so much purer and free from chemicals, processed doo-dads and transfats, but it would also be the same or cheaper in cost, if you really plan it out and cook up a bunch at once and freeze it all.

I just feel very bad for her and I kinda don't agree that the less said the better in this case because, if I were her, I would appreciate any suggestion that could set me free from those two devastating health issues.  You might be surprised at how open she would be to hearing something.  When I had vertigo I let Dr. Rod (chiro), whom I trust, do something dubious, therapy-wise, because I was SO flipped out with fear and in need of just trusting someone (didn't even HAVE a primary care doctor at that point).   Looking back, I wish I hadn't done it, but I'm just saying that even someone who is normally skeptical about certain things often becomes amazingly open to them when they are scared and/or in pain and/or unable to function.  I mean, speaking of chiropractic, I used to think it was a bunch of hoooey until my back got into enough of a twist that I couldn't function and suddenly I was like...it's worth a try.

I would just bring up the BTD...but you know her better than I do, Missy, plus apparently she already knows about it... ... ...still.  Migraines and vertigo.  Poor kid.


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Victoria, will do on the rebounding front.  Who is TUT?  Very wise and very provocative...and scary.  This whole life business is not for the fainthearted.  I don't know why it should be that "following your bliss" is so scary, yet it is.  Seems like it should be bliss *L*.  *shrug*


TUT is Mike Dooley, whose thoughts are definitely not for the faint of heart.  I discovered him when a friend told me about his free email "Thoughts for the day".  They are different than anything I had let myself think before.  And then I went to the website and read about his family, and it's pretty interesting.
CLICK HERE

Here's an example of one of his thoughts:

"Your invisible limiting beliefs are only invisible when you live within their limits - or when you keep on doing what you've always been doing.

Push yourself. Dare yourself to think bigger, to reach, and to behave as if a dream or two of yours has already manifested.

Then, you'll see 'dem little buggers pop out of the woodwork painted florescent orange, loaded to the teeth with logic, imploring you to turn around and go back to safety!"



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I just feel very bad for her and I kinda don't agree that the less said the better in this case because, if I were her, I would appreciate any suggestion that could set me free from those two devastating health issues.  You might be surprised at how open she would be to hearing something.

I would just bring up the BTD...but you know her better than I do, Missy, plus apparently she already knows about it... ... ...still.  Migraines and vertigo.  Poor kid.


I'm in agreement with you!  I went back and edited my post, where I suggested that the less said, the better.  I was not referring to the person with the migranes, but the hoardes of co-workers who like to make fun of all of us who discriminate between food and poison in our daily meals.  I finally decided that the less said (to folks like that), the better . . unless they ask first!



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You might try a set of dumbells. When your feet are to sore to walk no mo you can still be burning calories and adding upperbody muscle mass to increase your base metabolism. It also doesn't matter if it is to hot or cold outside. You can probably find them at a yardsale, just don't get those wussy pink ones. Try for a good 10 to 20 pounds set. Just think; curls, flys, squats, lat lifts etc. Of course I am still pushing for a return to yoga but might as well add variety.
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Yeah - I will just have to feel her out and see how it goes.  I'm partially not feeling like I can give that much advice about BTD right now - because even though I have good meal choices with me today I am still struggling myself to stay compliant and away from wheat and corn lately.  I don't know why either - it screws my body up big time - especially my hormones and I know better but can't seem to stay consistantly away from the stuff.  So, I almost feel like if I'm not following the BTD to the best that I know to do then who am I to be dishing out advice you know?  


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So, I almost feel like if I'm not following the BTD to the best that I know to do then who am I to be dishing out advice you know?  


I hear you there. I feel the same way. I know what makes me feel good and yet I still eat things that give me an immediate craving relief only to put me three steps back from my ultimate health. So even though I know what works, I am not always setting a shining example.

I don't tell people unless they ask. But whoa, if they ask, that's another matter.

I guess the difference is not dishing out advice, but sharing our personal experiences.
The BTD has helped me...(fill in the blank).


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She's probably in kindergarten nutritionwise.  So maybe just educate her about how bad the additives are.  The latest is how bad corn syrup is.  
I also know how hard it is to plan good meals.  A working woman is too tired to get creative at night!
Even with my knowledge of nutrition, I haven't mastered the art or discipline of making homemade 'TV dinners' ahead of time altho it sounds like such a logical solution.
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Food is not just food.  It is so emeshed with our emotional security (comfort foods), our memories (childhood, holiday meals), aromatherapy (coffee reminds me of my dad . . ), addictions (carbs, sugar, caffeine, etc.), programmed behavior (as soon as I wake up, I have to have . . ) and I could go on.  

If we confront someone about how what they are eating is bad for them, and we recommend they stop eating "_ _ _ ", this can unleash a whole cascade of thoughts and feelings that don't really have much to do with the actual food item.

When I finally stopped drinking coffee, it was after several years of struggling with my attachment to it.  I finally saw that I was unwilling to let go of my father (who died 19 years ago).  Coffee always meant early mornings with him in quiet conversation, before Mother woke up.  He built a fire and made our coffee and we had a few special minutes before we started our busy day.  Precious times, and still the coffee was not him.  Once I could see that, I let go of the coffee, and kept the memory.



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I also know how hard it is to plan good meals.  A working woman is too tired to get creative at night!
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Fascinating how humans tend to find excuses which, generaly, are false. For example, one blames the BTD because it is restrictive and not varied and yet, in most cases, if one goes back to the previous "ways" one finds they are as restrictive, if not more than the BTD.

I wonder if this woman mentioned by Mhameline varies her frozen meals, or if these meals taste better than a prepacked bag of salad with a can of sardines some evo, little lemon and salt.

I remember in my good old days, just a few weeks ago, I would not have the time to open a bag of salad and a can of tuna but I had the time to go buy myself a french baggette and some mortadela, and I would have it every day, and every day I would buy it fresh . we are just fascinating

Mrs T, I am reading in between your lines. I know exactly what you mean although I am not sure what you have written is what you or me believe if we think of it.



Well done PT. Perseverance is the name of the game and do not listen do the sirens they have nothing good to offer.

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I agree - we are great at finding excuses for not doing what we know is best for us - I am as guilty of that as anyone.  I always talk about how tired I am after work so then I don't want to always cook - but if I would just do a little planning and get to it and get in my beneficals and avoid my avoids then I would probably be far less tired and wouldn't really even notice that I needed to plan my meals and cook with the extra energy I would have.  

Gives me something to think about at least.  


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Guyzzz, there are so many fantastic posts in this thread since last I posted!

As the originator of the thread, I don't want y'all to think I haven't read 'em and am not duly enthralled by them, I just haven't had a chance to respond yet because they are all so substantive and muse-worthy that they require some time and thought for responses.  So, I'll try to get to it next week, but meanwhile, thanks for all the amazing discussion, ideas, insights, and fabulous wisedom expressed here.






"If you are on one of Dr. D's diets and it isn't joyful, you aren't doing it right." - moi

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I made some minor changes in the last 14 days as an experiment:

1) I stopped eating all grains (i.e. Ezekial or Manna Bread);

2) Cut back to 4 servings of fruit a week;

3) Ate a big breakfast and lunch (lots of veggies) and a small evening meal late in the evening (about 7:00, usually 4:30).

4) No snacking.

Result, dropped 7.5 lbs in that time.

This is the second time I have done this, the first was my initial period with the blood type diet, with fast results as well. I feel good that I can drop weight that quickly if I need to in a pinch.

Cheers, for the BTD!!


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I am realizing just how greatful I am to have found the BTD - and even though I have been having my slipups with compliancy - I am still doing really well overall and always get back to it.  I have pretty much been avoiding the scales since I've been convinced I have put on a bunch of weight and just didn't want to see the number - even though I'm still in the same clothes and haven't had to go up in sizes or anything - that really should be a clue to me - but I guess I can still feel the affect of the avoids when I do slip up and have them - I still feel that inflammation the avoids cause.  Well a couple of days I ago I decided I really needed to face reality with the scales and I was so relieved to see that I wasn't even above 140.  135lbs is where I feel my best at - but I also fluxuate up or down a few lbs from there at any given time so really 138-139 where I'm at right now is very normal for me.  And I know if I could just ditch the grains that extra little bit of weight would be gone and for someone who has always struggled with weight this really is such a blessing for me - especially since I'm really short and weight shows so fast on me.  Oh and the fact that I've learned what will make me feel so much better and in balance when I've been off with my eating is really great too.  Like today I just wasn't feeling all that great and I knew if I could get some beef and greens I would feel better - so we went out and I got a burger without a bun and a salad and it was just what my body was needing.  It just amazes me how that simple meal can be so healing to my body so quickly.  Does anyone else notice that with beneficials how quickly they can help you feel better?  


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Hi mhameline,

What I notice is that when my diet is strictly compliant, I can eat a lot fewer calories in a day and not feel hungry. When I eat poorly, there is never enough food it seems, and I always have a craving in the back of my mind.


"I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now" - Bob Dylan

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I have not noticed that for myself. Even when I eat only beneficials, I find myself overeating. I wish giving up grains for me was the answer, but it's not.

The moderation fairy just gave me the nod, so I'm going to start focusing on the frequencies outlined in LR4YT to see if I can get a handle on things.


It is not my responsibility to convince anyone of anything.

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Hi mhameline,

What I notice is that when my diet is strictly compliant, I can eat a lot fewer calories in a day and not feel hungry. When I eat poorly, there is never enough food it seems, and I always have a craving in the back of my mind.


This is my experience also, Howard.  



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Okay, well, how to put this, how to ease into it, how to phrase it euphemistically...hmmmm...

went completely OFF the rails again.

It seems this has been happening more and more and I have to think that maybe I am indeed in perimenapause no matter what nunudoc said about my hormones being "fine".  I mean, I haven't been this inexplicably bizarro in terms of doing well with my diet and then going totally bonkers in years.

Part of it is this massive mid-life crisis I'm in.  Like, this weekend, I just did NOT want to face reality, right, so instead I plunged headfirst into piles of wheat.  Yeah, good plan there.  That really helped the situation.  (not)

Part of it this weekend was that I did NOT get enough sleep (sleep deprivation leads to carb cravings very definitively in my case, I observe) this weekend.  I don't need much sleep, mind, but if I don't get what little sleep I do need, I get into a diet danger zone.  Well, I was already down a quart last week and then Friday night I ended up on a long phone call until 11:43 p.m.  That may not sound that late to those of you who do not get up every day by 6:00 a.m., but to those of us who do, it is pretty late.  Anyway, somehow I went nuts this weekend, and it was a very wheaty type of nuts.  I usually don't crave wheat but this bender seemed all about wheat, wheat, wheat.  WHEAT.  I will spare you the gory details.  This is a family site, afterall.

Anyhooo...so once again I undid all the hard work and good I've done myself over the last however-long-it-has-been, and in one fell swoop I gained a zillion pounds (I'm sure...too scared to weigh myself, plus I don't think I'm done with this wheatfest yet) and I am now really run down and wheated up.

Arse alert.  Hello.

So, nothing good to report this week, that is fo shoo.

As I said to my mom yesterday:  "Not facing reality is very fattening."


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Stress=carb cravings. Ostress relief=exercise. If you were catholic exercise=penance. In the meantime take some deflect and go forth and sin no more.
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Edna - I'm sorry to hear that you're having trouble with your eating - I'm right there with you and having trouble with it too.  Oh and I forgot to take my deflect this morning.  Oh well - I have good things with me at work today and I will drag my butt to the gym to work out tonight.  Hoping you can get some excercise in tonight as well.  


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wohawoaho.... my co-therapiste & her husband went on *low-carb to no-carb* and baddaboum he
lost some 15 kilos in 3 weaks, and she lost some poundies too; I guess
when we started 2,5 years ago.with BTD ...she lost 10 kilos in 2 weeks; ...... it's amazing, when she heared about that...she made it; after having lost 10 kilos she went on weightwatchers and gained
then tried  whatsoever and....didn't wanted to accept that BTD is the one .....argh

I think it is very common here in Switzerland, to tell you something about....? and then just acting in an absolut contrary way since  so long I tried to explain to her what will happen in feeding her O'children with  wheat etc.....she can't hear
the same: once she came crying to me, because of her stomachaches; I said to her, come over here
and we'll do a quicktest....and see it was an overactif pylori I told her what to do, sended her to a
friend of mine because of the antibiotics and then to get off such baddies ....then she took a healthbook from schoolmedicine and told me the way they do it, incl a form of biopsy...then I was soooo feed up that I asked her to leave my room immediately ......am I that badly to understand she even didn't noticed it what has happend.....and off I went ....
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Maybe potatoes would help that craving & not be as bad as wheat.  Sometimes, especially while traveling, I eat potatoes (there's not much else out there anyway).
They also help me sleep better.  I know they are an avoid for us, but they are not grains.
Tomatilla:
Isn't it amazing how people who have been helped by some alternative medicine, revert back to traditional, get worse, & still don't get it?  It's perplexing!
Keep teaching the BTD to those who listen!!
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Mrs T...ya right .D...sometimes I begin to feel pitty for em....and then getting angry    and then having the envy just to go, never talking again  
its just crazy what people want to have understood, or just didn't really listened
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Quoted from ISA-MANUELA
I think it is very common here in Switzerland, to tell you something about....? and then just acting in an absolut contrary way since  so long I tried to explain to her what will happen in feeding her O'children with  wheat etc.....she can't hear
the same: once she came crying to me, because of her stomachaches; I said to her, come over here
and we'll do a quicktest....and see it was an overactif pylori I told her what to do, sended her to a
friend of mine because of the antibiotics and then to get off such baddies ....then she took a healthbook from schoolmedicine and told me the way they do it, incl a form of biopsy...then I was soooo feed up that I asked her to leave my room immediately ......am I that badly to understand she even didn't noticed it what has happend.....and off I went ....


Dear Isa,

Count Spain in it as well

You are admirable. You just asked her out of the room? Well perhaps it is a difference in blood type. AB's are calmer than O's but, I understand AB's share some stress factors with O's. Admirable, perhaps my legs are so strong from so much running I always feel I want to use them for more things...

Keep that good character of yours.

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I really think some of the issue with the grains is the way we eat them.  They need to be fermented as they traditionally were.  I know gluten is a major no=no for most, even fermented for me, but this naturally leavened brown rice bread that I get from Canada doesn't seem to bother me, unless I eat too much of it, and don't exercise.  Then I get heavy around the middle, but I only eat 1 piece in a.m.  Exercise after that is the utmost importance.

I read that too much protein will make one lose weight for a while, but over time can cause serious health problems, so I say a little compliant, fermented properly prepared grain in the a.m., then good exercise at least 4 or 5 days a week, with one day off, could be a great way to go.  If there is no exercise involved, you may stay very thin on a high protein diet, but you may not stay healthy...

Thoughts?
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You keep asking that question but don't actually state your sources...

What literature did your read or else who do you know who was on a high protein diet for a long time and did get ill?  

Were they on Atkins or similar and thus eating a lot of pork, cheese and cream and likely nowhere near enough veg?  Or were they compliant Os?    

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I wonder how Camel's milk would work for nonnies.


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no mention of kefir made from camel milk to be ok......
never the less, you could try draining the kefir for a day in the fridge with a weight placed on it, and make a type of fresh cheese without whey......perhaps that might be at least neutral.


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Tina....what fermented grain? beer? (A's can have it.) (listen, I love beer, but never drink it because of the bloating I get from it....wine works better.)
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How's it going? Did you set the reset button? I love your posts! They are so bubbly and full of joy(except for the last one) But we're all rooten for you.
A thought too. When loosing weight slows down, it may be a good idea to get some good antioxidants. Green tea is a beneficial for 0-nonnies.

Hope to hear from you again.
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