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P.P.S.  But there is slim, and there is healthy.  Not necessarily the same thing.  There is this VERY slim woman here who was recently diagnosed with osteopenia, a severe loss of bone density, worse than osteoporosis.  She is tiny but she eats nothing but junk from the vending machine.

So, frustrated as I get about my weight problem, I'll stick to my native O diet, thank you.  I battle weight, but I'm healthy.  And one of these years, the weight will come into line, I swear that.  It will be sooner rather than later, too.  Saturday:  we walk!


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Chinese wisdom says that comparisons are are useless activity. If you compare yourseld to someone worse off you feel good. If you compare yourself with someone better off you feel bad. In neither case you have truth.

Stick to your BTD and with time, your weight will shift again. You know so.

You can do it. It is your body wanting the pleasurable (not so in reality) way out.

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Have you considered using Deflect O agressively for a few months to help you lose weight, particularly since you recently were eating wheat?
3. One way this repair mechanism works is by 'prying off' lectins which have already adhered to cellular receptors, such as insulin. Since insulin blockage by dietary lectins has been linked to both insulin resistance and obesity, using DEFLECT can help accelerate weight reduction in diet-compliant individuals by speeding up the time it takes for the regeneration of new insulin receptors or the 'cleansing' of the old ones. This can take upwards of one year in some individuals who just follow the diet, and explains why some dieters do not see weight loss in the early stages of the program.


If not Deflect O, then at least some N-Acetyl Glucosamine.


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I so know what you mean about an O nonnie giving up grains for weight loss. I recently lost close to 30 pounds doing that and I, like you, had also tried EVERYTHING prior to that to lose and nothing worked. In my case, I went a step further then just eliminating grains though and gave up fruits for a couple of months and strictly limited carbs such as yams and beans (I would have a small cup of beans or a half of a yam with dinner). By doing this, I discovered that when it comes to weight loss, my body does the absolute best on meats, veggies and nuts and VERY few carbs. Since I am also hypoglycemic, I also eat frequent small meals (every 2 to 3 hours) and I have noticed that I am hardly ever hungry.  

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Quoted from Susana
Chinese wisdom says that comparisons are are useless activity. If you compare yourseld to someone worse off you feel good. If you compare yourself with someone better off you feel bad. In neither case you have truth.

The 12-step programs such as AA, ACOA, etc. have a similar saying:

"Don't compare your inside to somebody else's outside."

Very wise, that.



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Have you considered using Deflect O agressively for a few months to help you lose weight...

Interesting thought about the insulin receptor "cleansing".  As I understand it, the glucosamine sulfate I take does not do the same thing, correct?  It does bind with the wheat lectin and thus it is a help after eating wheat in terms of binding to the lectin and carrying it relatively harmlessly out of your bod, but my understanding is that, for that purpose, the glucosamine form in Deflect is superior, and for outright prying off of lectins from the insulin receptors, the Deflect form is a necessity...right?

If I did get Deflect, could I take it in addition to the glucosamine sulfate I already take for the purpose of cartilege repair, or would I have to choose between the two and jettison the "regular" glucosamine for a bit?  And how long do you think one should take Deflect for "lectin scrubbing" purposes?  A week?  A month?

Sumpum ta think about, fer shur.  Thanks, MoDon.



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I so know what you mean about an O nonnie giving up grains for weight loss. I recently lost close to 30 pounds doing that and I, like you, had also tried EVERYTHING prior to that to lose and nothing worked. In my case, I went a step further then just eliminating grains though and gave up fruits for a couple of months and strictly limited carbs such as yams and beans (I would have a small cup of beans or a half of a yam with dinner). By doing this, I discovered that when it comes to weight loss, my body does the absolute best on meats, veggies and nuts and VERY few carbs. Since I am also hypoglycemic, I also eat frequent small meals (every 2 to 3 hours) and I have noticed that I am hardly ever hungry.

Hmmm...very validating, what you say about having tried EVERYTHING prior to jettisoning grains and nothing else did squat.  I have been able to lose weight in the past, when I was YOUNGER, with anti-O regimens such as a low-fat *shudder*, high-complex carb *gag reflex*, even vegetarian diet, but I always felt like I was STARVING and I always went on a rebound spree afterwards and gained everything back plus a ton.  The O diet is the only thing that has ever felt nourishing, satisfying and lasting to me.  But at this point, the weight doesn't come off unless the grains are out the window.

Never can get myself to try the small, frequent meal thing.  I just can't.  Kinda like calcium supplementation, I can't do it, I tell youz!

Hopefully keeping the grains gone and the exercise stepped up will do the trick.



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I would take the NAG form of glucosamine either in Deflect O or separately for best results.
Quoted from Ask Doctor D'Adamo - Deflect For Arthritis
http://www.dadamo.com/bloggers/ask/archives/00000072.htm
Glucosamine can also be acetylated to form N-acetylglucosamine, the protein sugar specific for binding the very disruptive lectin found in wheat. Since wheat seems to be particularly difficult on blood type O, binding this lectin is a good strategy for O's with arthritis. Giving N-acetylglucosamine directly would probably be an even better strategy for O's.

I would take Deflect O or NAG, which is recommended in the Arthritis book, for as long as you want to continue to lose weight and/or have trouble with arthritis.


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Good advice from MoDon there!  I agree.  Deflect taken away from food does some wonderful things to the healing and balancing of metabolism.  

I want to also suggest to beware of snacking (grazing).  It can keep your digestion in a state of constant work, so that it loses it's ability to rest and conduct activities appropriately.  I think it messes up the metabolism.  Better for an O to eat regular large meals, and leave the nibbling to the A's.



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Quoted from Victoria
...beware of ...(grazing).  It can keep your digestion in a state of constant work, so that it loses it's ability to rest and conduct activities appropriately.  I think it messes up the metabolism.  Better for an O to eat regular large meals, and leave the nibbling to the A's.

I've always felt that intuitively and posted about that before Dr. D. actually said something similar in, was it LR4YT?  Anyway, I've always felt that the grazing/six-small-meals-per-day thing was an A thing and eating two to three regular meals is an O thing.  But lately I'm all turned around because nunudoc told me to graze (but then, since then, I've decided she doesn't know nuttin' about nuttin'), plus the whole world now seems to be saying graze, graze, graze, eat six small meals per day, so that weirds me out.  But then, "they" used to say eat low-fat and 11 portions of pasta per day, too, so perhaps the key is to stop listening to "them" *lol*.



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Hi, P.T.,
those folks who walk by eating cake and are still slim are from a different planet...like my daughter in law. she doesn't think about food until starvation overcomes her...those folks may not have eaten breakfast...my DIL doesn't, says she isn't at all interested ...she'll come over at dinnertime and say she hasn't eaten all day. Then will she pig out? no, just eat a bit.
But ...on another note, this thread is awesome and I'm trying out la vida grainfree! This morn I had ground beef, kale, and onions......the meat and vegetable classic of BTD fame! Keep on inspiring us! jayney
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Quoted from Edna

But then, "they" used to say eat low-fat and 11 portions of pasta per day, too, so perhaps the key is to stop listening to "them" *lol*.


"They" also said:

1.  Only vegetarians can be healthy.
2.  Eat lots of whole wheat.
3.  Soy is the best source of protein for everyone.
4.  Drink milk!  
5.  Eggs will cause heart disease.
6.  Red meat will kill you.
7.  Cheerios will lower cholesterol.
8.  Margarine is better than butter.
9.  Saturated fat is bad.
10.  Polyunsaturated fats are healthy.

Who do "they" think they are, anyway? !!!  

   



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Here is another suggest to help get/keep the weight loss going.

Do you use vegetable glycerine? If not, you may want to start using some for awhile.
Quoted from Dr. D
Glycerine is the only effective humectant that can be used by non-secretors, since it can be shunted to either fat metabolism or glucose production, depending on metabolic status. Glycerine can be a carb on occasion, a fat precursor on occasion, a phosphoglyceride precursor on occasion, and it can simply pass through the body unused. For non-secretors, this is perfect. Thus, although it is there for moisture retention, it also tends to optimize fat<->carb<->fat conversion which is genetically a problem with non-secretors.

The mentor that introduced me to the concept that lectins can exert metabolic effects in hampering weight loss was fond of having his patients drink glycerine as a way to 'prime' the conversion of fat cell bound glycerol back to glycogen-glucose.



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Congratulations PT!!!!   That is something to be VERY proud of!!!   I was warned about those grains, even the good ones.  I don't eat them much, but obviously for some reason I can't get the scale to move other than the same three lbs. up & down for close to two mos.  UGH!  Oh well, in time with some patience, lol.   I am SO proud of ya!   Dale
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If not eating wheat, rice, or grain as far as I know, can deflect still help the weight come off faster?
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Quoted from jayney-O
Hi, P.T.  ...this thread is awesome and I'm trying out la vida grainfree! This morn I had ground beef, kale, and onions......the meat and vegetable classic of BTD fame! Keep on inspiring us! jayney

Welcome to la vida grain-free!  That is a classic you had this morning.  Add some sweet potato to that and it would kick it up even more.  Although your version is lower-carb, if anyone is into trying for that specifically.

Anyway, glad to have another grain-free girl on board!  (Note:  grain-free boys are welcome to join us in la vida grain-free, too!)



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"They" also said:

1.  Only vegetarians can be healthy.
2.  Eat lots of whole wheat.
3.  Soy is the best source of protein for everyone.
4.  Drink milk!  
5.  Eggs will cause heart disease.
6.  Red meat will kill you.
7.  Cheerios will lower cholesterol.
8.  Margarine is better than butter.
9.  Saturated fat is bad.
10.  Polyunsaturated fats are healthy.

Who do "they" think they are, anyway? !!!  

   

And my personal favorite:

11.  Only fat can make you fat.  Your body cannot turn complex carbohydrates into fat.  Eat as much pasta as you want and just avoid fat.  (almost verbatim from "Choose to Lose" diet...grrrrrrrrrrrr)


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Quoted from ironwood55
Here is another suggest to help get/keep the weight loss going.

Do you use vegetable glycerine?

No!  That stuff is nasty, MoDon.  Don't mean to sound ungrateful for the suggestion, as I'm sure it is a good one and will help someone or several someones out there reading this thread, but as for moi, I'll stick with having the metabolism of a slab of Vermont marble, if it is a choice between that and drinking glycerine.



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...i'm just jealous that you can get away with murder and I must stick to raw kale and freshly felled cattle, is all...)


FYI, raw kale (and other cruciferous veggies) contains goitrogens, which may inhibit thyroid function.  This may not be an issue unless you have thyroid problems, but if you are trying to lose weight, why chance it?  Cooking appears to reduce/inactivate goitrogens.





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Kate, good point, thanks for the 411 there.  I do eat a lot of broccoli but I cook it first.  Can't imagine raw broccoli--which my Type A mom used to put out on a platter with other "crudités" for dippin' in something like ye olde Lipton onion dip (ah, the 70's and my parents with their bridge games *lol*)--with anything other than a ton of roquefort on it, to make me not notice or care that my roquefort contains RAW BROCCOLI in it *lol*.  I'd eat roquefort on cardboard, makes no nevermind to me.  But now, I don't see a need to consume raw broccoli.  Trees belong in the ground, not in my mouth, that's my motto.


Much as I love cooked kale, I'd have to say that it is no prob for me to avoid raw kale, either.


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Quoted from Whimsical
FYI, raw kale (and other cruciferous veggies) contains goitrogens, which may inhibit thyroid function.  This may not be an issue unless you have thyroid problems, but if you are trying to lose weight, why chance it?  Cooking appears to reduce/inactivate goitrogens.


This saddens me about raw kale. I like it a lot shredded up with raw broccoli stems and marinated in evoo, lemon juice, and agave nectar. I wonder if the lemon juice 'cooks' it like lemon juices cooks fish and eggs? Ah, well, as far as I know (which isn't very far, I admit) I don't have thyroid issues. Typically I don't eat many raw vegetables in the winter months, with the exception of salad greens.


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About grazing--I need to eat several times a day.  My A mom & O dad didn't.
I think that's why I have low blood sugar now.  We weren't allowed to snack & I was hungry for hours a day since age 12.  If I were allowed to snack during those few years when everyone gets the "hungries'-12-14 for girls (& 12 to 24? for guys or something like that), maybe I would have gotten what I needed & not obsessed about when I was going to eat.  Since my 30s when I eat almost when I want to, I'm not hungry all the time & am not suffering as much in that area!  What liberation!
My AB husband doesn't get hungry very often, either.  My B son got hungry a lot as a child & was always very small until mid-teens & still is shorter than average, but not tiny.  My O sister likes to eat late & not snack the last I knew. I do better with a big midday meal & can eat less at night.  All close relatives that I know of are night eaters. It's strange how we are different!
I thought Os were gourmands in general compared to the others!
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PT, I've been following this thread with great interest.  I wonder if you are sensitive/allergic to grains...Duh, you may
be saying, but anyway, I just remembered one of the many "diet" books I read was called "False Fat" (at least I think
it was, by Dr. Nelson Haas).  His theory was that if we are eating stuff that we are "allergic" to we bloat out and gain....now I don't think this is that different from the BTD,  as when we eat the avoids, etc, we do the same thing.
Anyway, maybe even ok grains  do that..... I know that I initially lost a certain amount of weight when I seriously ditched the wheat.  Now I do tend to overdo the rice on occasion.  Interesting, huh?  Anyway, on days when I have avoided grains, I lose also.  But I have never been consistent.  So this thread and your story is inspirational....Keep up the good work. I suspect you will still lose, just more slowly

now(which is supposed to be good also!)
ps.  Look at this link I just found in the archives...http://www.dadamo.com/forum/archive5/config.pl?read=11740

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