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Peppermint Twist
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Quoted from picassoboyz
When you are talking about being grain free in your diet - does that mean ANY type of grains - or just the grains not suitable for your blood type?

For me as an O non-secretor, I have found over lots of time and experimenting with different ways of doing my O diet that it means ANY type of grains are contraindicated for me if I want to lose weight, let alone not gain weight.  I frankly think Dr. D. was just trying to ease the blow and throw us a bone when he said we can have between zero to one cup of cooked compliant grains per week, because he knows that so many of us live in such a grain-laden society.  But ideally I really think that O nons do best at the zero end of the zero-to-one-cup spectrum, especially if you are trying to lose weight.  At least this O nonnie does.  As for secretors, I definitely think most of you guys can eat some compliant grains each week.  And Royce, if you are having such good results on your O diet with rye included, please don't stop eating it on my account!*  And Type A secretors actually do well with their compliant grains, so by all means let your wife continue to revel in them!

* edited to add:  is it that French Meadows 100% rye w/flaxseed?  Isn't that GOOD?  omg, I'd better stop thinking about it, slathered in butter and with just a sprinkle of sea salt....wowie.

Edited to add more:  oh, in re-reading your post, it appears it is homemade rye bread.  Even better!  Please ENJOY!  In fact, enjoy it enough for us nonnies to live vicariously through you!


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WOW! PT what brilliant news for the day

I felt quite frustrated the other day as I did not have a piece of good advice for you. I am delighted you managed to turn the wheel around. Perhaps you should be called THE PHOENIX . How awsome!

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For me as an O non-secretor, I have found over lots of time and experimenting with different ways of doing my O diet that it means ANY type of grains are contraindicated for me if I want to lose weight, let alone not gain weight.  I frankly think Dr. D. was just trying to ease the blow and throw us a bone when he said we can have between zero to one cup of cooked compliant grains per week, because he knows that so many of us live in such a grain-laden society.  But ideally I really think that O nons do best at the zero end of the zero-to-one-cup spectrum, especially if you are trying to lose weight.  At least this O nonnie does.


First of all, congratulations on being grain free.  I sooooo agree with you on the above statement.  The effects of grains on O nonnies is so crazy.  For example, I am having my period now and for the first couple of days, it was going really well (no cramps, light flow).  I went to a restaurant yesterday and had chargrilled catfish with dirty rice.  Almost immediately, the flow became heavy (so heavy in fact that my clothes got a little messed up - thank God I wore dark jeans) and by the time I left the restaurant I was cramping.  I really wish I could just stop.  And it's not necessarily plain rice that I can't stop eating.  It's moreso the rice dream bars (sweetened with corn and barley malt) from Whole Foods.  I am so addicted.

Again, congratulations to you and keep up the good work!

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mnicole, sadly, those bars most likely have avoid ingredients....carrageenan, or something....cuz belive me if they were compliant I would be buying the store out! Sorry, but that's my recollection.
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Grains are a secretor thing.


Not this secretor.



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What about A nonsecretors? I am trying my best to go grain free, its not easy, going on three days, but I always bloat up and gain weight even with the smallest amount of rice. I have done a couple days here and there with out grains, one time I did it for a little longer than a week and droped 4 or 5 pounds. But it seems to be so hard not to eat them. It seems that A secretors can do pretty well with moderate grains but my digestive system and body are so sensitive its outragous. When I have grains especially wheat, I also notice symptoms of hypothyroidism when theoretically my thyroid is already in the normal range and balenced by medication. Its just very difficult when I live with all secretors of all three other blood types and they dont quite get my wacky system, well my boyfriend is very supportive as are my parents but still sometimes they just dont understand.
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As an A non-secretor, I think that beneficial grains only is the way to go.  I stay away from gluten but otherwise do well to have beans or a small amount of grains each day.  

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mnicole, sadly, those bars most likely have avoid ingredients....carrageenan, or something....cuz belive me if they were compliant I would be buying the store out! Sorry, but that's my recollection.


Jayney, I'm agreeing with you.  I know they're far from being compliant.  The problem is that I just can't seem to stop eating them.
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Another pound GONE!  

Six total!  This is phenomenal!

btw, I shall post later today or manana about the TI (Temptation Island) situation at work today and how FAB I have been!  Proud of the old self today, big time!

I am refusing to let anything get between me and my chosen diet at this point.

I pity the fool who tries.


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I celebrate your success, Pep!    

Yay for grain-free ! ! !  Good health is it's own reward !!  



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I celebrate your success, Pep!    

Yay for grain-free ! ! !  Good health is it's own reward !!  


Wu hu hu hu huuuuuuuuuuuuuu!

And I forgot how jazzed and revitalized I feel when grain-free.*  YEAH, baby!  Went through a bit of an initial gear-shift or detox period there, which also could have been due to some swings in the barometric pressure (never a good thing for P-Twist) and a chiro adjustment to the shoulder-n-neck that went awry, but now I've got my sea legs and BOY HOWDY!  Jazzed and ready!

Can't wait to tell youzzz what a good doggie I was today at work, because there was literally unbelievable temptation a'happnin'.  Could not have been worse, temptation-wise.  And yet I am RESOLUTE.

It's go time.  And I'm gone, daddio.

(edited to add:  can't believe I chose a smoking smilie but, see, he's supposed to be a beatnik and I thought that went with the whole "gone, daddio" sign off...still, not a fan of the smoking, for youzzz allzzz information.)

* I mean, I remembered, but I didn't REMEMBER, as in, omg, yeah, WOW, I have me some ENERGY and clarity or something (don't know exactly how to describe that last bit).  It's all good!


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P.S.  Victoria, EXACTLY about the good health being its own reward.  Even though the stuff today was soooooooooooooooooooooooo tempting to me (and there was sooooooo much of it and it was soooooooooo in my face all day), I kept my eyes on the prize.  As I say, nothing tastes as good as health feels.  Day-uuum, I love that mantra.  Anyway, more on Temptation Isle anon, but for now:  SIX POUNDS!

If not grain-free, it would take me MONTHS to lose that, months I tell you!  If I could at all at this point.  No, the grains had to go for me.

Hey hey, ho ho, eating grains just had to go!
Hey hey, ho ho, this nonnie knows that it is so!


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Yep,
The grains go . . .
The energy returns !!

Just think how thick and heavy is the texture of flour mixed with water and sugar.  Bog ya down pretty quick.  hmmm?



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Congrats PT! Keep up the good work!  

Last year I was 100% compliant on the O secretor diet but didn't shift a pound. Then I quit grains totally (had been having one portion every day) and I steadily lost a pound a week for 7 weeks.  

Don't ask my why I lost the plot a bit at that point and started back on the compliant grains and from then to avoid grains (yup, the dreaded W word - rhymes with cheat). I think it had something to do with fear that I could actually change my life, but that's another story...  

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Wow, so many great posts to respond to, so little time!  

There are many I never responded to but meant to even before my most recent posts in this thread, and now there are more.  Wow.  Well, let's just dive in here:
Quoted from Rochelle
Congrats PT! Keep up the good work!    

Last year I was 100% compliant on the O secretor diet but didn't shift a pound. Then I quit grains totally (had been having one portion every day) and I steadily lost a pound a week for 7 weeks.

I am amazed (amazed, I tell you!) by how just that one act, cutting out grains, gets me losing weight when NOTHING else seems to work.  And those "old school" dieticians and nutritionists who say calories in, calories out, are SO wrong!  I could mainline olive oil and saturated fat from red meat all day and not gain an ounce, but you give me two rice cakes--rice cakes, mind you, they have like zero calories and no fat--per day and I will definitely not lose and I will almost certainly gain, gain, gain.  Cutting out grains is not for everyone, but for O nonnies I really do think it is key, especially if you have a weight issue (as in, too much of the stuff).  For me to lose six pounds in a week and change is UNHEARD OF in recent times.  I know, as I said before in this thread, there were other factors in play such as I went from eating a bunch of avoids for a few weeks back to high compliance, but even that alone would not account for this.  So, not for everyone, but for O nonnies and for this O nonnie in particular, "It's the grains, stupid."  If it keeps up like this (with the scale moving), I think I will finally get that permanently.
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I really wish I could just stop.  And it's not necessarily plain rice that I can't stop eating.  It's moreso the rice dream bars (sweetened with corn and barley malt) from Whole Foods.  I am so addicted.

Well, any form of rice other than whole rice sets me off, too, but I want to say that I think it is the corn sweetener in the bars you describe that is killin' ya, cravings-wise and weight wise.  This may be BTD heresy to say but I think if you want some sort of ice cream bar, it is better to have a pure, albiet avoid dairy ice cream bar (provided the particular O individual making the choice does not have bad reactions to dairy such as sinus inflamation, digestive woes, etc.) versus an otherwise neutral, yet corn-sweetener-laden (which thus renders it an avoid anyway) rice alternative bar.  Put another way:  Both contain avoids, and I think--for me anyway, I know--pure dairy is a far better choice than corn sweetener, as avoids go.

Even better, if you crave a sweet, dairy-like treat, would be to whip up a delicious, nutritious smoothie made with your fave beneficial juice such as pineapple (about 1 cup), a banana, some fresh or frozen (frozen work very well in smoothies) berries like raspberries or blueberries, and a shot of 100% fruit concentrate such as concord grape.  Delicious and seems like a dairy treat, like a "shake", ya know?*

To all:  thanks for all the "right on!"s.  It's hammer time.

* edited to add:  or, if you are one of them thar chocolate-lovin' pups, you could add in some chocolate or carob instead of the berries and fruit concentrate.  You could also use (although this would be far more of a procedure to make, versus the breeze of making the above fruit smoothie) homemade nut milk (like almond) instead of the pineapple or other juice for a liquid...although pineapple goes with chocolate and what would be really good as a juice would be to use black cherry, as black cherry really marries well with chocolate.  Much easier than fooling with making your own nutmilk, too.  Egad.  Yeah, go with the black cherry juice, banana, and your fave broken up chocolate bar or cocoa powder, or carob.  Experiment until you find just the right combo of ingredients for you.  Oh--edited again to further add:  chocolate afficionados, do they make any sort of organic, PURE chocolate syrup that one can get at the HFS?  One could add in a tad of that instead of the fruit concentrate one would have in fruity versions and that would really sweeten it up nicely, especially if one used cocoa powder versus sweetened chocolate pieces.

Anyway...I'll leave it to you chocolate buffs out there to sort that lot out.  I just know how to make a mean fruit smoothie.  Never attempted a chocolatey one.  I was just thinking about it for mnicole, though, as I'll bet her rice dream bars are chocolate and that is part of what she craves.


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I was just thinking about it for mnicole, though, as I'll bet her rice dream bars are chocolate and that is part of what she craves.


You are right on about the chocolate.  And the more I think about it, it's definitely the corn sweetener, because whenever I eat chocolate rice dream sweetened with brown rice syrup (although that, too, is an avoid), I don't feel "addicted".  
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Thought so.  Corn syrup is SUCH nasty and carb-cravings-triggery stuff.  Run away.  Run far and run fast!



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Yes, well, that is the way it works, isn't it.  Grain equals fat.  At least with winter coming on, there is an opportunity to burn it off.  Sigh.
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Yes, well, that is the way it works, isn't it.  Grain equals fat.  At least with winter coming on, there is an opportunity to burn it off.  Sigh.

I am so all about gittin' 'er DONE.  No grains and upping the exercise, it's all I can do...short of portion control, but let's not go CRAZY here.

I had forgotten just how wonderfully and amazingly my body responds to a grain-free diet.

I had also forgotten just how much more variety and chi (life force) I naturally eat when not eating ole' shelf-stable grains.  I am already eating so much more greens, fruit, and variety of veggies.  Which sounds better:  a devoid-o-funk grain or alternatives like bright green broccoli florets, romaine lettuce, and gorgeous deep-orange sweet potato?

Far from feeling deprived, I'm remembering what it is to eat things that are ALIVE and to feel deeply nourished again as I did before I got "stuck in neutral".

No, this is the way to go for me.  As I say, cutting out all grains certainly isn't for all the blood types and so I don't want to confuse anyone whilst I'm in my dance of joy mode over it all.  But for O nonnies I do think it is the ideal.  Certainly for this one it is.

Everything in my body feels better, from my feet to my head.  And the feeling of being revitalized, jazzed, energized, it is awesome.  That I remembered.  But not as vividly as I do now that I'm experiencing it again.

And now that I'm getting back into the swing of it, it isn't hard!  It really helps having a freezer, fridge and stove, though *lol*.  I can see how I fell away when I did.  But man, I'm glad I'm back.  Actually, I fell away from being grain-free long before the kitchen went south on me.  And as Rochelle said, don't ask me WHY I started eating grains again when I did.  I guess I didn't fully understand just how crucial it is for me to be grain-free.  Gosh, I hope I do now.  I mean, I do NOW, but I hope I won't conveniently forget again at some point down the line.  I could see if I get to my goal weight, going to eating up to that one cup of cooked compliant grain (basically rice) per WEEK, but the SECOND I started to gain, I dearly hope I would remember, okay, that is why and STOP, you can't do it, even in "maintenance" mode with the weight.  But that bridge is far off as far as needing to be crossed.  I have...let's think about this...about 45 lbs to lose at least before I could even consider having a bite of rice, so no need to decide what I'll do at that point just yet.  For now I know I need to be blissfully grain-free.

No hardship there as I am loving living la vida chi-laden!



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chocolate afficionados, do they make any sort of organic, PURE chocolate syrup that one can get at the HFS?


There is Wax Orchards. CLICK.  Fruit sweetened fudge sauce, but there is the "natural flavoring".  

There's Ahlaska organic chocolate syrup, but it has xanthan gum I think.  And it's cane syrup sweetened which leaves me out.



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I could see if I get to my goal weight, going to eating up to that one cup of cooked compliant grain (basically rice) per WEEK, but the SECOND I started to gain, I dearly hope I would remember, okay, that is why and STOP, you can't do it, even in "maintenance" mode with the weight.  But that bridge is far off as far as needing to be crossed.  I have...let's think about this...about 45 lbs to lose at least before I could even consider having a bite of rice, so no need to decide what I'll do at that point just yet.  For now I know I need to be blissfully grain-free.


Dearest Peppy,
Be careful of even thinking these thoughts.  Can an alcoholic have one drink a week, after getting clean and clear headed and healthy again?  



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Dearest Peppy,
Be careful of even thinking these thoughts.  Can an alcoholic have one drink a week, after getting clean and clear headed and healthy again?  

You could so very easily be right, Victoria.  Thing is, part of me thinks finding a middle ground in most things in life is important, since I, by nature, am such an "all or nothing" type of person and that can be very unhealthy, unbalanced.  But then the other part of me, when it comes to this grain thing, thinks about what I know of alcoholism (which unfortunately is a lot given my family history and what I've taken it upon myself to learn because of that, in addition to knowledge that was thrust upon me because of that) and drug addiction--about any sort of addiction and addictive response, and I think, okay, I think I have that with certain refined carbohydrates, most of which are grains (but also with potato chips, for example...although I did much better on chips, seriously, once I started mixing them with protein, than I do on rice cakes [also eaten with protein], weird as that may sound to anyone on this earth other than a fellow nonnie).  And if I DO have that, if I have a true addictive response to them, then you are right and you can't just have "a little".

In fact, you know how I'm goin' around BTD Town hollering that I can't even have the 1 cup of cooked grain max portion per week, I have to stick to zero?  Well, I actually don't know that; for all I know, if I were to eat one cup of cooked grain per week, I would be okay.  Why do I not know for sure?  Because I CANNOT eat just one cup of grain, if I eat grain, I eat way more than I should...hmmmmm, what does that tell ya?

So, I don't know.

But I do know one thing that I thought of in the shower last night *lol*.  I do know that, while I say "I'm grain-free!" and that is great, it would not be great or even healthy at all to make a statement such as "I will NEVER eat a grain again!", as that would definitely be setting myself up for failure.  This is a lifestyle, something to sustain, not a finite "diet" that I'm on (although it is a diet, but it is one sustainable for a lifetime).  So, while my lifestyle is to eat zero grains, there may be times here and there that I do eat a grain during the course of the rest of my life.  If I set a standard that I NEVER can again, it is setting myself up for failure, setting myself up to get mad at myself, you see?  But I can say that my lifestyle choice is to be grain-free and if for some reason I eat a grain in the future, the next meal or the next day or as soon as I get out of the hospital where they are force-feeding me Farina or back from vakay where I'm staying at someone's house and every meal they serve only grains, or WHATEVER, I will go right back to my diet of choice.  Which is grain-free, baby!

Knock!  Knock!  

Who's there?  

Romaine!

Romaine who?  

I plan to romaine grain-free for life![/color]  




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You are soooo right.  I haven't read all the posts, as I just found this thread.  But recently after a year, I bought this great brown rice I had found before & lo & behold, with the same calories a day, actually GAINED a few pounds.  It's amazing that the health establishment still believes in calories.  
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You are soooo right.  I haven't read all the posts, as I just found this thread.  But recently after a year, I bought this great brown rice I had found before & lo & behold, with the same calories a day, actually GAINED a few pounds.

Is that amazing?  Yet we all (all the O's responding in this thread, at a minimum) seem to experience the same thing.
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It's amazing that the health establishment still believes in calories.

It is amazing and so sad and infuriating.  NO ONE (outside of you fab guys) believes me when I say I can mainline olive oil but one rice cake will cause me to gain weight.

Thank GOD for the BTD, this cyber place, and you guys.  I literally don't know where I'd be or what I'd do without you.

I do know I'd think what the HECK is wrong with me that I gain weight by eating a rice cake?  And why does "healthy food" as defined by the old school diet gurus (a.k.a., low-fat--yes they are still on that, low-calorie, low-NUTRIENT, high in "wholesome whole grain nutrition" food) make me want to jump off a cliff onto the jagged rocks below?  And why can't I stick to any of their diets?  And why do I always feel like I'm starving?  And why do I gain 10,000 pounds more than I lost each time I go OFF their unstick-to-able diets?

Instead I am blessed and grateful to know I've found the diet that works for me, keeps me healthy/in-the-pink/vital, and it makes SENSE when you understand the science behind it.  And just as important, we all have each other from whom to learn even WAY more and to share experiences and support and a few knock-knock jokes along the way.




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