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Does anyone know why sugar is an Avoid for Type O Nonnie?  What happens if you occasionally (1xmonth or so) use an avoid?  I'm a definite newbie, and pretty scared of avoids, but I also know an occasional treat might be fun, especially right at first.

I do have RA, and have not purchased Dr. D's Arthritis Book, because All of my financial resources are going to stocking Pantry and Fridge right now.  Any suggestions for avoids that I might not know about from the Basic List?


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welcome!
http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/typeindexer.htm
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for sugar use agave nectar or vegetable glycerine
http://www.dadamo.com/bloggers/otd/archives/00000812.htm

read the tutorial to get started right:
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this protocol might come in handy
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avoidance of night shades is key as well as all avoids ofcourse.

BTD is antiinflammatory so I m glad you are here trying this out! )

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Thanks for the Welcome, Lola--I'm working on getting the hang of this!  I've been lurking for about a week, and am now looking forward to being part of this great on-line community.

Myra.


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Quoted from MyraBee
Does anyone know why sugar is an Avoid for Type O Nonnie?  What happens if you occasionally (1xmonth or so) use an avoid?  I'm a definite newbie, and pretty scared of avoids, but I also know an occasional treat might be fun, especially right at first.

I do have RA, and have not purchased Dr. D's Arthritis Book, because All of my financial resources are going to stocking Pantry and Fridge right now.  Any suggestions for avoids that I might not know about from the Basic List?


If you pm me an email address, I will send you my home made food list from the Arthritis book. (I follow the arthritis program.)  And, I will tweak it for you since you're a nonnie and I'm a secretor.



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Just want to say Welcome, Myra!  

One unfriendly thing about sugar is that it is acid forming.  Acidity is inflammatory.  
As a B nonnie, sugar is also an avoid for me, and since I quit eating it (and following my BTD), my arthritis has gotten so much better that I hardly am bothered by it anymore.  

One good thing about having a chronic condition like you do is that it gives us a strong incentive to give this way of eating an honest chance.  Othewise, I don't know if I would be gaining the incredible benefits that I have been getting.  It would be too easy to be lax about what I eat.  
As it is, my body reacts immediately to avoids, so I just don't bother with eating them anymore.  They are no longer "Treats".  

Feeling healthy again is a great TREAT!



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welcome in our Royal society and sorry can't reply on your question, becasue I don't have any reaction if I eat occasionally some sugar,..... so please remember you and me are still not the same .....this is a real individual thingy ....
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Welcome MyraBee from one O nonnie to another.  Lots of great information here and if you can't find it just ask as you just did.  

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Sugar for me sets off cravings for carbohydrates.  My only sweetener at the moment is about 1/2 tsp of agave nectar in my green tea.  
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I just can't get into the glycerine.  To me, it feels like a non-food.  But agave, for my B nonnie daughter, and blackstrap molasses (for me) can give a good sweet hit.  

Also there is a nice all fruit sweetener by the Wax Orchards company: CLICK



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can't have any fructose either .....
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MyraBee, I actually find that, as an O non, when I am really doing the ideal O non diet (i.e., grain-free for me), I want natural sugar more than when I'm eating grains.  When I'm eating grains, I never want anything sweet.  It never occurs to me to eat even a piece of fruit, let alone something with added sugar.  But when I'm grain-free, I find I want things like a nice homemade soda to cap off the evening, and you can use fruit juice, fruit concentrate/syrup, or both for this.  Lately, I've been making my own homemade "Radar Special", as I remember Radar from M*A*S*H (yes, I'm OLD people, deal with it) loved grape soda.  Well, I've been taking Tree of Life Concord Grape concentrate and adding that to Gerolsteiner mineral water.  I find it takes rather a lot of this, or maybe it is because it comes out of the large bottle I purchased veeeeeery slowly, but anyway, I put what I consider rather a lot into a half-full or two-thirds full bottle of Gerolsteiner (mineral water) and it is delicious, especially when you get down near the bottom *lol*!

You can make delicious homemade sodas with things like pineapple juice (beneficial!), elderberry concentrate, lemon juice, black cherry concentrate, etc.  I find that these homemade fruit sodas usually conquer my desire for something sweet which, again, I never have unless I'm not eating grains.  Which makes sense, since grains are basically sugar.  When they aren't in my diet, I need to get my sugar from better, more chi-laden (life-infused) sources like fruit.  I think fruit is far, far, FAR better for us O nonnies than grains, so this is another instance of the blood type diet resetting our internal compass for true north:  when I'm doing the diet the way I should, I want the things I should have.  Amazing, that!

Whole fruit like watermelon chunks is nice, too, but of course fruit must be in season to be good.

So, I think fruit and fruit concentrates are the best nonnie source for a sugar fix.  Note that I've found ONE and only one store-bought brand of soda that is basically okay for nonnies and that is Reed's Premium Gingerale.  It MUST say "premium" and not "original" on the label--very confusing, there are two kinds that are packaged almost identically.  The original contains fructose.  The premium is sweetened with white grape juice.  *sigh*...us nonnies really have to be label/packaging detectives, but that's for another thread topic...  Anyway, homemade fruit sodas or fresh whole fruit, fruit salad, or--and this one is great--smoothies can really quench your need for something sweet.

All that said, what are the kinds of sweets that you miss?  In case I haven't covered them, like if it is chocolate or whatever, let us know, I'm sure we can point you in the direction of something compliant that will be just as good or better than what you are missing!  Let us know!


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P.S.  The best sweeteners for O nons are:

Fruit concentrates (good for sodas, smoothies, etc.)

Agave nectar (sweetens the Unibars, has unique properties making it a good choice if you have blood sugar issues; I haven't tried it, but probably good for sodas, smoothies, etc.)

People say to use vegetable glycerine for sweetening baked items.  I find it singularly repulsive, personally.

Regular molasses & blackstrap molasses (nuttin' wrong with it...good in certain baked items).


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P.S.  I don't see why we O nons aren't allowed to have pure maple syrup.  Rip off, man!

(Come on, genotype diet!  Momma wants some maple syrup...although without being allowed to have pancakes, what's the point *lol*?)


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Maple syrup has got to be one of the most extraordinary flavors on the planet.  I'm with you on that one, Peppy.  I don't use it anymore, since the swedish waffles flew out the window.  I used to sweeten my Cafe Latte' with it, but that also left my life.  

But we'll always have our memories.  Sigh . . . . They can't take that away from us.  

Well, sometimes, I wonder about my senior moments, but at least the memory of maple of maple syrup still remains!  



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Victoria, I lived in Vermont whilst a college student.  Vermont is my favorite place on earth.  Well, it is tied for my favorite place on earth with a very different sort of place, a tacky beach resort town called Ocean City, Maryland, but I digress.  Vermont is tied for Numero Uno in my heart.

Anyway...of course I had wonderful, pure maple syrup there.  You're right, we'll always have our memories!


p.s.  btw, pure maple syrup is astronomically expensive now, I notice.  I'm talking like $15.00 for a small container.  I've noticed this for several years running at my HFS.  I wonder what has befallen the maple trees that could account for this pricing situation?  Hmmmmmm...doesn't bear thinking about.  No doubt it has to do with the non-existent global warming.


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Well, I've fallen.

This past week when in the Grocery Store I saw a big display of FLUFF that I simply couldn't get out of my mind.  So yesterday, I picked some up along with real choc chips and evaporated milk--and before I could say Blood Type Diet in English, Spanish, and French, I had a nice big batch of Fudge cooling on my kitchen counter.

I guess it would have been manageable if I had stopped at the Fudge, but it whetted my appetite for Nathan's Kosher Franks, Blue Corn Chip Cheese Nachos w/sliced garlic, which I had for dinner tonite.  At least I avoided the fresh jalepenos.  But, not the well iced Dr. Pepper.

I've got some thinkin' to do.


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This is what a complaint treat looks like:  http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/recipedepictor.cgi?593

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Well, I've fallen.

This past week when in the Grocery Store I saw a big display of FLUFF that I simply couldn't get out of my mind.  So yesterday, I picked some up along with real choc chips and evaporated milk--and before I could say Blood Type Diet in English, Spanish, and French, I had a nice big batch of Fudge cooling on my kitchen counter.

I guess it would have been manageable if I had stopped at the Fudge, but it whetted my appetite for Nathan's Kosher Franks, Blue Corn Chip Cheese Nachos w/sliced garlic, which I had for dinner tonite.  At least I avoided the fresh jalepenos.  But, not the well iced Dr. Pepper.

I've got some thinkin' to do.


We live and learn.  
It helps to have your house stocked with compliant treats.  In time, you can figure out how to meet all those cravings in a way that isn't self-destructive.



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Victoria, I lived in Vermont whilst a college student.  Vermont is my favorite place on earth.  Well, it is tied for my favorite place on earth with a very different sort of place, a tacky beach resort town called Ocean City, Maryland, but I digress.  Vermont is tied for Numero Uno in my heart.



It's one of my favorite places also!  First of all, I love Oregon.  I've loved it since I first set foot here and knew it was going to be home.
My second favorite place would be the Blue Ridge Mountain area of east Tennessee.
And third, I LOVE Vermont.  My goodness, the beauty there!  The smell of the air!  The crisp autumn mornings!  (ahh, the maple syrup!)  



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Quoted from MyraBee
Well, I've fallen.

This past week when in the Grocery Store I saw a big display of FLUFF that I simply couldn't get out of my mind.  So yesterday, I picked some up along with real choc chips and evaporated milk--and before I could say Blood Type Diet in English, Spanish, and French, I had a nice big batch of Fudge cooling on my kitchen counter.

I guess it would have been manageable if I had stopped at the Fudge, but it whetted my appetite for Nathan's Kosher Franks, Blue Corn Chip Cheese Nachos w/sliced garlic, which I had for dinner tonite.  At least I avoided the fresh jalepenos.  But, not the well iced Dr. Pepper.

I've got some thinkin' to do.

Okay, sweetie, this is all right.  As you point out, this is all very new for you.  It took me so long to stop "falling" every once in a while and then it would often seem to spiral out of control for a while.  Even recently I just had rather a spill onto the non-BTD pavement and skinned my knees up pretty badly.  The difference is the frequency and duration of my spills now are much decreased.  You learn what keeps you on track and what derails you, but it takes time and experience.  The main thing is, don't waste time, energy and infuse yourself with the stress hormone cortisol (which makes one retain weight *lol*!) by beating yourself up over this "fall".  Just do the best you can to get back on track, which can seem so impossible once you are off track.  But we are all here for you and none of us are without the memory of a skinned knee or two...some of us more recently than others!  So, no worries, today is a new day.

edited to add/confess:  a few weeks ago, I was eating Pappa John's pizza, and now I'm grain-free.  Things will turn around for you, too.

(Hadn't had pizza since 1997 and might I just interject unhelpfully that it was sooo good?  Seriously good....*snapping out of it and back to grain-free bliss now*...)


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It's one of my favorite places also!  First of all, I love Oregon.  I've loved it since I first set foot here and knew it was going to be home.
My second favorite place would be the Blue Ridge Mountain area of east Tennessee.
And third, I LOVE Vermont.  My goodness, the beauty there!  The smell of the air!  The crisp autumn mornings!  (ahh, the maple syrup!)  

I felt the exact same way the first time I set foot in Vermont as you did when you set foot in Oregon!  I knew it was home.  And I would be there now if not for my stoo-pit physical challenge, but that's okay.  I had my time and experience there and now I'm having a new time and new experiences here in the land of Winn Dixie *lol*.  It's all good.

The smell of the air in Vermont has inspired poetry.  I wrote a poem about it once.  Maybe I'll try to find it and post it.  It was years ago, sort of an ode to winter.  I remember a line about "cool crisp cider air"...that is Vermont to me.



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Thanks, Vicki, Victoria, and The Twister.  I really appreciate your practical advice and nurturing support.

I'm working on restructuring my days so I don't spend so much time watching TV.  There are so many graphically pornographic seasonal culinary commercials on right now, that "lusting in my heart" could become a real issue if I don't find some redirected time to "avoid the Avoids"!

Thank you again, and I sincerely thank God for each and every one taking this incredible new journey with me.  

Love,

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I agree, Myra!
This forum has literally turned my life and health around.  I have learned, and continue to learn, so much from the members.  Not to mention the friendships that have sprung up as like-minded people come together from around the world.  truly a blessing!  



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I rarely watch TV, but have found a new 'addiction'--the computer, especially the BTD board, the chirotalk board, & a new yahoo group about massage careers(mostly on e-mail)!!
But at least I'm learning & enjoying friendships, too.  Just be careful--enjoy us but keep it balanced!  The nice thing is that you can do it at your own time, etc.
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