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no more of your olive oil drizzled on my omelet, Don!
No reason to avoid, or probably even cut back, on olive oil since it is listed as one of type Os top 12 heart healthy foods in the CVD book! |
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Per Dr. Kruzel's 2003 IfHI conference Serotyping Techniques presentation in the US 6% of whites and 22% of blacks are LDN.
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People who are Lewis a-b- ... can be either secretors or non-secretors of blood type substances, but they will always be non-secretors of Lewis substances. In many instances, Lewis negative individuals have unique interactions with diseases, microbes, or metabolic syndromes.
... only 6% of the Caucasian population and 16% of the black population are LDN, ...
Quoted from LR4YT also has a section on MN subtyping on page 355-6
A 1983 study in the journal Clinical Genetics showed that people who typed NN had significantly higher cholesterol and triglyceride levels in their blood immmediately after being given a standard test meal.
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NN had significantly higher cholesterol and triglyceride levels in their blood immediately after being given a standard test meal.
I can well imagine what that standard meal was like!!! 
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6% of the Caucasian population and 16% of the black population are LDN
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approximately 75% of LDNs are salivary non-secretors
that surely confirms my diet choices so far!! even if I were to test as a secretor, through the salivary method, there s no way, I d change my diet!! feel very comfortable in the nonnie zone, and I agree with Melissa on this. I appreciate everyone s take on this! very generous of you all to state your opinions....  |
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| Friday, May 25, 2007, 3:16pm |
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From: http://www.dadamo.com/knowbase/subtype/subtype2.htm
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A small section (1-4% of the population dependent on race) will be Lewis Double Negative (LDN; Lewis (a-b-)) and for which Lewis typing cannot be used to determine ABH secretor status. In these individuals determination via saliva is necessary. However, it may be helpful to think of LDN individuals as a special category of non-secretor, since they do lack the Lewis b antigen (like the traditional ABH non-secretors). In most instances LDNs share the same metabolic consequences as ABH non-secretors, and in a few, such as cardiovascular disease and insulin resistance, actually have the most severe variations.
So, when I read that, even if an LDN is a salivary secretor, they should follow the non-secretor guidelines. |
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More fodder: http://www.dadamo.com/bloggers/ask/archives/00000348.htm
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As far as your Double Lewis Negative (LDN) blood type, it is typically common for me to clinical consider LDNs non-secretors, even though for technical reasons, secretor status can not be imputed from you Lewis test result. If anything, metabolically, LDNs are probably ‘super-non secretors’ from a phenotype standpoint.
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| Friday, May 25, 2007, 3:27pm |
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that surely confirms my diet choices so far!!
even if I were to test as a secretor, through the salivary method, there s no way, I d change my diet!!
feel very comfortable in the nonnie zone, and I agree with Melissa on this.
I consider being free of grains and legumes as well as sugar and dairy basically a strict Health Library book form of type O secretor compliancy, not a nonnie diet. I didn't think you have been eating a nonnie diet. For instance, I thought you told me that you haven't been eating avacados, which are beneficial for type O nonnies.  |
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I don't think a non-secretor diet is going to be the best if you are a secretor. |
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| Friday, May 25, 2007, 3:46pm |
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yes Don, avocados! those will now definitely become part of my diet!! and with a vengeance.....not having had them for so long! and those rice cakes with almond butter at the conference!!!! those have been stored in my precious memory bank, already! but boy were they worth it!  Mike, National geographic, right? need to find a way to have that test done, definitely curious! one thing s sure, my 'mitochondrial eve' was from the deepest part of Africa, no doubt about that!! |
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even if I were to test as a secretor, through the salivary method, there s no way, I d change my diet!!
And based on the pictures from the conference you look fabuolous eating just the way you are |
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I did enjoy all that was served at the conference, to the fullest!! It felt like 'falling off the wagon', but with a safety strap!! an absolute compliant carb fest! if you know what I mean...... am right back to my usual compliance now, though................. |
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well,
our best judge is the DNA testing....... |
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| Saturday, May 26, 2007, 7:22pm |
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So, Kate, you typed out as a Lewis negative. I believe Lewis Positives convert their Lewis A into Lewis B, and Lewis Neg and Doublenegs don't. And I see we have another Lewis DB (Doublenegative) and an NN to boot. Take care. CB. |
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| Saturday, May 26, 2007, 11:20pm |
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I met another LDN at the conference as well. And another Lewis Negative. When more people get their additional serotyping done, we'll see more. If you ship the test to SWMC, it requires a venous draw, but if you can do it on site, it can be done with a prick according to what someone told me a year or so ago. Take care. CB
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Forgive me if this has already been answered, but I'm still a bit confused...is it possible to test as a secretor with the saliva test, but test LDN with the serotyping test? |
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it appears to happen, yes. |
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Drea, yes it is possible to be a secretor and yet an LDN. I read somewhere though, 75% of LDN are non-secretor. May be close to the same gene. Take care. CB. |
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Don,
thanks for asking!
I ve been working on that......
too bad I didn t have it done in Phoenix!
I do know where the test can be done, but just haven t had the time to drive down to Mexico City yet.
Moving and remodelling sure is a hustle!!
How is your protocol doing so far?
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Yes, I tried the phenylalanine, but I actually did even better on the brewer's yeast, which I'm told generates its own phenylalanine...
I also found that Deflect combined with the anti-bacterial protocol did wonders for my abdominal swelling... |
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