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 Non Secretors: Do you eat grains
Yes, O nonnie (68 votes)
25.86%
No, O nonnie (52 votes)
19.77%
Yes, A nonnie (49 votes)
18.63%
Yes, B/AB nonnie (32 votes)
12.17%
No, A nonnie (29 votes)
11.03%
I'm a secretor but I still want to vote (18 votes)
6.84%
No, B/AB nonnie (15 votes)
5.70%
263 Votes Total Last vote Wednesday, October 15, 2014, 1:36pm by Lisette
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Curious as to how many nonnies eat grains. What their reaction is to them, how often they eat they, what kinds they do best and worst with



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Laura-I don't eat grains if I can help it. †They bring me down...I get tired...I get achy...I get headaches...I waaaaaant mooooorrrrrre. †And then, the cravings for other avoids start. †I may eat brown rice once in a while at home just for a treat and rice cakes too. †Making sure I have either with protein. †But...other than that, I stay away from other grains as much as possible. † I have had a bag of compliant kamut pretzels in the food closet for about a two and a half weeks, but haven't opened them yet. † I am afraid they will turn out like Lays Potato Chips and I will end up eating the whole bag. †Crunchiness and salt. †yuuuuummmmm.

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Hi Laura,

I eat all complaint grains from Ezekiel, spelt, oatmeal and rice.  I never have any issues with them and they don't make me crave any sweets.  I typically have oatmeal for breakfast with walnuts, blueberries, flax and almonds.  Then for lunch a peanut butter or grilled cheese (sheep or goat cheese) sandwich on spelt or Ezekiel.  This about does it for a day's worth of grains.  I also love the spelt/rice pancake recipe in Cook Right 4 Your Type.  I add macadamia nuts or blueberries to the mix.  Yum!

On a side note, if I have ANY wheat in a product, I have major issues!

Hope this helps.
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if you mean grains likewise a mŁsli, I stopped completely, get cramps and diarrhea...some speltbread
sometimes, but nowadays I eat very,very little of such thingies... Peter was right here too, those famous carbs....yeech
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I voted yes, because I'll have a couple of toasted rice cakes with nut butter.   That's all.
I like to get my carbs from sweet potatoes, carrots, parsnips, other vegetables and fruits.

But I do not eat any bread, muffins, cake, cookies, chips, tortillas, cereals, cooked grains, etc....



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isa,
i sometimes have the same problem but never thought it came from grains.  not really frequent diarreah but loose stools all the time and gassy probably more than normal.  so what do you eat? we are really limited to fruits grains and meat.  I would love to hear from you since there aren't and other ab nonnies on here.
ok it is first thing in the morning so no homemade granola for me i'm off to eat some eggs.  does ezekial bread or manna (essene) bread bother you isa?
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Laura-I don't eat grains if I can help it. †They bring me down...I get tired...I get achy...I get headaches...I waaaaaant mooooorrrrrre. †And then, the cravings for other avoids start. †I may eat brown rice once in a while at home just for a treat and rice cakes too. †Making sure I have either with protein. †But...other than that, I stay away from other grains as much as possible. † I have had a bag of compliant kamut pretzels in the food closet for about a two and a half, but haven't opened them yet. † I am afraid they will turn out like Lays Potato Chips and I will end up eating the whole bag. †Crunchiness and salt. †yuuuuummmmm.

Debra



Debra I feel exactly the same way when I eat grains! It's terrible but bread has always been my downfall. I try to stay away from it but sometimes when I do eat some bread boy oh boy watch out, I am miserable!




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I can't eat grains at all.  Even plain rice cakes cause leg aches, pains and general fogginess.  

Fingers swell and I can't get enough sleep.  1 dose of grain takes about 48 hours to get out of my system now!
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Iíve always loved rice.  Rice cakes are my crunchy snack of choice.  I eat Spelt bread.  Hot oatmeal with real butter and salt is another favorite.


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Although not 100% grain free, I consider myself just that compared to the way I used to eat grains.  I believe for B nonnies the servings are 3-5 per week.  I was eating that amount DAILY!  I now have about 3-5 servings per MONTH, and it's closer to the 3 than the 5!  BTW, I only ate compliant grains -- no WHEAT.

When I do have grains, it is rice because that is a beneficial.  I sometimes have puffed cereal with goat milk for dinner when it's a hectic day!

I've noticed a BIG difference.  Especially in clearer thinking.  It's made such a difference, that's my motivation to keep from eating the grains.

At first I was very irritated to find that even an O-secretor can have more grains than a B-nonnie!  Not fair I thought.  I got over it though!  And I can't be happier!


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ahaaa...with *grains* carbs were meant ....ok-ok...sometimes a little rice, speltbraed ( I do it on my own) no cramps here
and @ Mandi....
in the morning I am eating quark with dried cranberries or other non-dried fruits and or walnuts or pekannuts in....thats all, for lunch...depends how many time I do have, some meat, veggies or salade
or even fish and veggies or salade, lots of apples as snack, or even just fruits as a complete lunch or supper.....
since I stopped to eat too much grains, even speltbread not daily, I feel much better; and it's even possible to lose a little more weight (without training ) ....aaaannndddd I am drinking enormously
lots of thťs, H2O, some little cafťs yup... I know can't let it be for 100%....

p.s.
even in the morning, eating soy-products and I'll get fat whithin days, similar to carbs
since I've changed....= better  

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I still have grain avoids on occasion. †Less now than, say, a year ago. †But generally I will have some brown rice or kamut pasta (more likely the former) once a week, and I do occasionally have Manna bread with breakfast (again, maybe once a week). †Summer it's easier to stick to meat, fruit and veggies!


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isa or anyone else who knows...... what is quark?  also isa do you eat more that the 2-3 of fruit recommended?

I need breakfast ideas.....
all i eat is eggs or my homemade granola.  
breakfast is the hardest meal of the day for me.
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Actually Breakfast is hard for me too, I run right before and so it is my recovery meal, normally I have fish or chicken and some veggies or eggs, this just doesn't seem to make sense to me though since I need more carbs, I eat an egg and some fruit before I go, so I don't want this again, it is very frustrating



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Mandi,
Maybe Isa will tell you for sure, but Quark is a type of soft cheese/sour cream type of milk product..It's neutral for you AB nonnies.

Beneficial dairy for you would be:
Kefir
Mozzarella cheese
Ricotta cheese
Cottage cheese
Farmer cheese
Feta cheese
Sour cream

and then, of course.....eggs are beneficial for you!

Beneficial nuts are:
walnuts & black walnuts
chestnuts

If you're having granola, hopefully you aren't using avoid sweeteners.  

But your symptoms almost sound like candida.



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Hi everyone,

This is rather long, so I hope it will be of interest to people here.

I eat no grains at all now. No grain-like seeds, either (so, no quinoa) and also no beans, either. Very Paleo, I guess. It's weird, because now I eat a lot of meat, but I never would have chosen this way of eating had it not been for the clear health problems I developed by avoiding it or limiting animal foods.

It was quite surprising for me to find out that I'm highly intolerant to gluten after many years of being a semi-vegetarian (lacto-ovo usually) and thinking that my ailments weren't related to diet. Last year, I was tested by Enterolab http://www.enterolab.com (stool testing developed by Dr. Fine. This form of testing for gluten is starting to be more well known. A new standard in the future, most likely). It turns out that I'm intolerant to both gluten and casein. As an interesting side note, Dr. Fine is an A + and suspects that he might be a Nonnie! I suggested that he get tested. He's following a strict vegan diet to try to address his health issues, but that diet will be especially problematic over time if he is indeed a Nonnie.  If so, the man will need some lamb.

History: a few years ago, I stopped eating wheat because I was eating different whole grains 'for fun' and variety instead, such as oats and barley. During that time, my joint pain from fibromyalgia (I started suffering in my early 20s. I'm 35 now) was greatly reduced.  But it took 3 times of stopping wheat before I connected things.  In my life, I always craved starchy things and would have cravings for bread, pasta, rice, and types of candy that were pretty much pure sugar (e.g. jelly beans).  I knew that these foods were my 'trigger' foods - they would lead me to eat too much and feel buzzy then sleepy. They were working like a drug for me, I now realise.  I developed lots of allergies in my 20s, mostly chemical sensitivities. I suffered from food allergies when I was very very young (under a year old), but supposedly 'grew out of them.' Based on my studies on this subject, t's more like they were dormant for years, as can often happen, and then emerged again in my 20s big time. Very frustrating to figure out.  As a child and teen, I would sometimes get really bad IBS (nasty intestinal cramps followed by diahrrea) after eating a certain quantity of bread or pasta, or (very oddly) sticky rice at Chinese restaurants.

During my 20s, I stayed slim with a horrendous amount of will power that led to an eating disorder (exercise bulimia) until about age 30.  I suffered from low estridiol levels starting in my early 20s, and so did my sister, even though my sister wasn't as slim as me.  I was put on the birth control pill to normalize things, and my sister was too.  I now know that gluten intolerance can lead to hormonal problems like this, including PCOS. My sister is 18 months younger than me, has the same 'trigger' thing with grains and sugars, so I think that she has must have a problem with grains, too. She always needed quite a bit of animal protein to feel okay. She always liked meat, though. She's an A+, but is likely an secretor. Her health problems have never been as bad as mine.  My mom is also an A+, but is likely a  Nonnie. I developed almost all of the same health problems she has (very chronic fatigure related things) but now I'm doing better with no grains while she's opted to take Rx drugs to manage things.

Wheat bran always gave me horrible gas, despite the fact that my body should have been used to having high fiber diet (from vegetables and fruits).  Sprouted rye bread was bad, too. I suffered from IBS a lot. I still do, but not like before. Digestive enzymes are helping me. Many years of damage, I guess.

2 years ago, I posted to an online forum I belong to about various problems I had (thin tooth enamel, IBS, skin problems, fibromylgia, interstitial cystitis) and someone told me about gluten intolerance. I was fairly resistant to the idea that this was my problem because I wasn't a 'classic' Celiac (also, as many of you may know, many people who are gluten intolerant or Celiac do not test postive via standard blood tests).

I dropped wheat and all 'gluten' grains (spelt, triticale, kamut, barley, rye). Not long after that, I stopped getting canker sores in my mouth. I was so used to getting them in my life that this was very very surprising! I then found out that they are a classic reaction to gluten! Wow.

Wheat was the worst for me (it has the highest levels of gliadin of all the grains), but as studies have shown, the other grains simply contain smaller amounts of the problematic proteins. A person will still react to them, but they don't necessarily feel it. Damage can be occuring to the villi of the small intestine slowly, and lead to all kinds of 'leaky gut' related problems, like chemical sensitivities, and also auto immune disorders (fibromyalgia is  often classified as an autoimmune disorder).

I did eat oats for a while, and thought I was okay on them, but then realised that, increasingly, they had a negative effect on me  - chronic fatigue, anxiousness, sleep problems (I didn't sleep deeply enough, even as a baby), joint pain, starch/sugar cravings. Oats do not contain gliadin (the protein in wheat, spelt and kamut), but they are usually contaminated with gliadin during processing since most grains are processed in the same place as wheat, or close enough.  It all started to make sense , so I dropped oats too, and only ate Lundberg Rice (guarenteed not to be contaminated by gluten if purchased in bags, not bulk bins), buckwheat groats and quinoa. But then I decided to drop ALL grains one by one.

Finally my tendency toward anxiety and depression lessened. My hormones seem to work better, too. I have better esridiol levels. Now I don't crave sugar or starch like I used to, my joints don't hurt very often, and I feel more 'clear.'  It's hard to explain, but my brain works differently. I have more clarity mentally, and am less likely to think too much, be obsessive in my thinking, and that kind of thing.  

My friend, also an A+ Nonnie, has experienced the same mental clarity. He only eats quinoa and amaranth now, no other grains. He dropped them one by one and found that he does much better without them. They just feel nutrionally void to both of us now, even when they are whole grain. It's really interesting how sensitive one becomes to their body's responses to foods after doing elimination diets. I would have dismissed this kind of thing not so long ago.

Some of the improvements took a long time, and are rather subtle, which makes this hard to explain. I learend that It can take 2-3 years of being gluten free before the healing is done. It is so WEIRD to be eating mostly meat and vegetables now! I have never been a big meat eater (I never liked most meats, even as a kid. For example, I stopped liking Macdonald's hamburgers at age 6), plus I am sensitive to suffering. By finding 'humane' sources for meat - http://www.eatwild.com is a good site - and visiting organic farms, etc., I finally feel better about this. The book The Yoga of Eating is really good, too. It isn't about Yoga in the classic sense.

http://www.yogaofeating.com/contents.html

The site http://www.beyondveg.com is also really good. Very respectful.

Shel

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thank you Victoria for the translation of my protoscientist-protoscientist (qoarks & orks )
and yes it is a form of softcheese and as our maischddaa told us to eat mostly of proteins in the morning, so I try to be brave and do what he recommends

about fruits: hmmm it depends on my mood and day sometimes more, sometimes less but it is the only way for me to maintain my weight, because if not....paddapoum....
instantly I get fat....  I eat lots of grapefruits, as fruit or juice, lemons in all the thťs I take daily, and so I've no problem with respiration, nor allergies  about eggs.... hmm...not that bad, but please only the yolk of em...I dont like the white of the eggs to much
no potatoes, no noodles, no similar stuffies because it only maked me very tired and I do need vivid foods, like salades of all kinds and fruits....and please not treated with whatsoever

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Shel,
very powerful testimonial!!
thanks for sharing all the details with us, it will help many overcome the same issues.


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Wow, Shel, I found your post very interesting. Got me to thinking about the joint pain and inflammation I stll experience sometimes. Using the arthritis A nonnie food list, been suspecting it was caused by a hidden avoid or too much dairy, but will check into the grains this week. Using mainly spelt and brown rice.


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I'm cutting my two rice cakes down to one a day.  This grain business is "food for thought", and maybe not food for humans.



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Victoria have you been reading the no more obscurity for grains thread? I have posed some questions there



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Grains, though they hypnotize me with their evil spell *lol*, are not for me, I've learned.

I am going to give them up. †Currently, I still eat rice cakes and, occasionally, rice. †But I really should NOT, I have an addictive response to rice, as I think it gives me a "glucose rush" and whatever it does, I want to eat too much of it. †Once my kitchen is up and running and I'm not living out of boxes and the fridge in the living room (!), I'm going to go all veggie/meat/fruit/nut, and no grains. †The exception might be quinoa, which is technically not a grain at all. †I may experiment with making tabouli with quinoa. †Other than that...I ideally need to be off all grains.

What do they do to me that's so bad? †Well, they make me want to eat more and more of them, they cause cravings for carbs, they cause me to gain weight and, in the case of avoid grains like wheat, the litany of what happens when I eat them is much longer, all having to do with inflamation, basically (joint issues, back issues, sinus issues, mood issues...well, maybe that last one is unrelated to inflamation, but anyway).

I personally do not think that Type O non-secretors should eat any grains, if we are being ideal about our diet. †Dr. D. was being generous when he said "zero to two portions per week", which still only equates to ONE cup of cooked grains per week. †One cup of cooked rice, for example, is a very small amount of rice, imho. †I personally feel he is saying, okay, if you HAVE to have some compliant grains, have that token amount, but really you shouldn't have any. †And if he wasn't saying that, I am. †Nonnies: †head for the veggies, leave the grains for the secretors.


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Hate to tell you this PT, but if you are going to go off grains you need to GO OFF GRAINS, including quinoa, it is going to cause the same response as other grains.  you have one of the strongest grain addiction I have ever seen, I cannot tell you how many times I have heard you say that you need to go off them only to justify your reason for not going off them one breath later



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Another O nonnie here...no grains for me whatsoever. †I don't even bother entertaining the thought of eating grains - my body can't deal with them.


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Hate to tell you this PT, but if you are going to go off grains you need to GO OFF GRAINS, including quinoa, it is going to cause the same response as other grains.

Quinoa is not actually a grain,* though, which is why I think it might be different, reaction-inducing-wise.  I've had quinoa instant breakfast cereal in the past and no adverse reaction.  I'm going to try a quinoa tabouli, once I get my kitcen up and running.  It is actually a seed.

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I understand it is 'scientifically' a seed, however, why don't you take a look in typebase, do you see quinoa with the 'nut/seed' category?  I don't I see it in the 'grain' category?  Hmmmmmmmmmm......................what do you think that means??? MAYBE THAT IT REACTS IN YOUR BODY LIKE A GRAIN



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Victoria have you been reading the no more obscurity for grains thread? I have posed some questions there


Yes, I have been very interested in that thread.  Brighid gave an interesting and thought-provoking post and your comments have been reall making me wonder about grains.  I don't know of anyone who seems to really thrive on them.  Well, maybe some A friends that I have, but most of them have real weight problems and I think they way overeat the grains.
Maybe our ancient ancestors had grain addictions also.  Why not?  They were human, and as subject to glycemic problems, insulin swings and addictions as we are.

It reminds me of a butterfly bush.  Actually I don't know if this is true, but I have heard that these flowers offer no nutrition to the butterflies, but the insects will flock to them and feed from them, and gradually starve to death.



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hmmmmmmmmm...........interesting, Yes, I agree I don't know anyone who does well on them, a few that get constipated without them, but I feel that that is either a trace mineral deficiency issue or a sign of digestive sluggishness as a result of years of fiber abuse (many former vegetarians have this issue)

I wonder if the same issue exists for beans and roots/tubers? I might start another poll on this



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My first reaction is that beans can be problematic.  In fact Dr. D has said in the cardio book that beans are not great for O's.  And I can't eat them at all.
Root veggies?  I would be very surprised if they are in a category of a non food.  White potatoes, I can see, but some of them are beneficial for many of us and nutrient rich, such as parsnips and sweet potatoes.  Also they provide the complex carbs that we are no longer getting if we stop eating grains.

If I didn't eat root vegetables, I think I would be hungry all the time, and I would become very underweight.  And that constant eating would keep my digestive tract irritated.  Oh, it's frightening to even think about!  



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I can have grains (compliant ones) but at the moment I am limiting myself because I want to loose more weight and hope it helps.
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I understand it is 'scientifically' a seed, however, why don't you take a look in typebase, do you see quinoa with the 'nut/seed' category? †I don't I see it in the 'grain' category? †Hmmmmmmmmmm......................what do you think that means??? MAYBE THAT IT REACTS IN YOUR BODY LIKE A GRAIN

Actually, I feel it could be in the grain category because it is used as a grain and widely thought of as a grain, so that is where people would tend to look for it. †However, since it is actually a seed, I would think a given individual would react to it as they would to any compliant seed, versus a compliant grain. †I know that I haven't had any negative reaction to it, but then again, I've only had it a few times so far. †I'll let you know how the quinoa tabouli turns out if I ever actually make it, and if I seem to do well on it or what.



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Actually, I feel it could be in the grain category because it is used as a grain and widely thought of as a grain, so that is where people would tend to look for it.  However, since it is actually a seed, I would think a given individual would react to it as they would to any compliant seed, versus a compliant grain.  I know that I haven't had any negative reaction to it, but then again, I've only had it a few times so far.  I'll let you know how the quinoa tabouli turns out if I ever actually make it, and if I seem to do well on it or what.


I've made quinoa tabouleh several times and it is great...except that I react to it just as I do any other grains, although slightly less so, and have been trying to minimize my grain consumption. Basically, eating grains makes me want to eat more grains; the only exception to this is corn flour, but I'm minimizing that one too for a while.


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No grains for me here!  My body cannot handle them at all.  So, I don't even bother anymore and feel great without them, although occasionally I eat too many nuts or fruit when craving something.  I think the main problem that my body cannot handle is digesting the starch.  I get foggy, bloaty, loosy stools, crampy, etc.  Also, my knees hurt, achy, flu=like symptoms, etc.  I may have gluten issues, as my son does, but don't know for sure and have no desire to find out for sure!

No grains or starches are for me.  Breaking the Vicious Cycle by Elaine Gottschall has an interesting theory about starches, or polysaccharides.

My sons eat no grains or starches either...They do very well without.

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P.S.  As Peppermint Twist said, when I have eaten brown rice, it seems I CANNOT stop myself from eating and eating and eating it.  These grains are sooooooo addictive for those who need to get RID of them!
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l'tyrosine....l'tyrosine.....l'tyrosine........you might have lots of lacks here if you feel that much the *need* for starchies.....
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Hey gals!

Great thread!! I will archive it as source for menu-ideas for my nonnies in my practice!! Awesome!!

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[How great it would be to have the willpower to just turn off the crave. I would like, no make that love, some of that myself. †I am an O secretor that is going to have to give up the grain. I have pretty much given it up but for rice. That is forthcoming. Just not an easy task. †If I ever again, say I'm giving it up for good, just ignore me, I'll probably be unintentionally fibbing. † † † †Well, maybe someday I'll reach that grain free status. I know I'll feel better for it. †That's just a "no-grainer". .... †




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I wonder why I don't seem to have as much trouble with grains as the other O nonnies here.  Mom's an A...?  But maybe I'm being comparative.  I can't eat nuts easily--they tend to give me the same reaction some of you cite for grains.  And white rice--let's not even talk about that.  But sprouted grain or brown rice is fine.


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This is interesting Patty Lee, no weight problems, addictive behavior, digestive issue.  Are those the only two grains you eat?  How much do you tend to eat?  Do you eat beans? other starches?



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Oh, I'm not saying no problems!  But having cut out wheat and corn and cut back to occasional manna, occasional brown rice, occasional kamut or rye, I've had less inflammation, more weight loss, and no Irritable Bowel.  I guess I'm saying a small amount of neutral grains (i mean, within the recommendations by Dr D--zero to two per week) doesn't SEEM to do anything bad to me, especially when I'm active.  I'm more sensitive the less active I am, interestingly.

Nuts are a different story, but I have a mild nut allergy to some (see my posts RE oral allergy syndrome), so it's good that a few grains aren't so bad for me!  I eat some beans occasionally (they give me gas, but I like them), lentils (no problem), sweet potatoes (great, filling, but can set off my sweet craving). Sweets are my trouble spot.


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wowwwweeee.................. in PT's defense, I have to say that SHE is not the only one on this forum that has sworn off grains, many times, only to return to them one breath later. ...PT, if you'll help me, I'll help you. Deal? †Heck, if we both swear off grains publicly at least a hundred times, maybe by then, it'll actually stick. †Maybe we'll feel obligated. † Hey whatever works, is good with me.

Actually, I didn't (and Laura didn't say I did) "swear off grains many times only to return to them one breath later". †She said I said I should go off grains, but then "justified" my reasons for not doing so "one breath later". †I chose not to respond directly to her points you quoted from those posts the other day when I read the posts, because of the tone used to make them, however to answer you, Pat, yes, I have been saying recently that I plan to get off grains once my kitchen is done, but there's been no "justifying" my reason for not going off them "one breath later". †I don't feel a need to "justify" anything regarding my current diet, you see. †I have explained my reasons, but not justified them. †What do I have to justify? †That implies that I should feel defensive or something and, sorry to disappoint anyone, but I don't. †I will do what I feel I need to do, when I'm ready to do so. †I won't do what someone else feels I need to do, when they are ready for me to do so. †I accept myself as the imperfect person I am, which has taken me many a moon to do. †I don't have an "all or nothing", "perfection-or-failure" attitude about diet anymore. †I do the best I can with what I have, and I also make my own choices. †I won't be bullied or intimidated by anyone about diet. †Period. †So there is no need to rush to my defense, although I appreciate the sentiment deeply. †I'm fine. †People can say what they want. †I accept myself as I am, even if others wish to judge or say whatever. †I can take it. †And it has taken me a lifetime to get to that point. †Even if I never get to my goal on some scale, I think accepting myself and my own choices and not letting others intimidate me with a judgemental tone is even a more important goal. †And I'm there, thank God. †So, thanks for the impulse to defend me (again, I appreciate that!), but I'm fine and dandy. †I didn't even feel a need to respond to any of that at all. †If I don't like the tone of something, I just don't respond half the time (the other half, I just might *lol*...depends on the time of the month *lol*).


Edited to add:  When I ultimately DO try to go grain-free again like I did once before, in a galaxy far, far away, I just might take you up on your offer to be each other's support system!  I might call you in the middle of the night sometime and say "Pat!  I have a rice cake in my hand and I know how to use it!  I'm armed and dangerous!  Talk me down off the ledge!"

But for now, I'm choosing to eat the dad-blained thaaangs.


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I am sorry I once again did not mean to imply this, or that you do something you didn't want to do or the like. I don't know what else to say, I am sorry.  I hope your quinoa taboli is a success and I would love to hear about it after you have made it



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I am sorry I once again did not mean to imply this, or that you do something you didn't want to do or the like. I don't know what else to say, I am sorry. †I hope your quinoa taboli is a success and I would love to hear about it after you have made it

†Cool. †I will report back post-quinoa tabouli. †If I ever do end up making it, that is. †At this point, I'm wondering if anything is ever going to progress at all with my house, but at least the kitchen has a prayer. †The a/c is another, very surreal story. †Anyway, thanks for your words. †The net is a tricky communication medium/venue. †For example, I have a very sarcastic sense of humor and sometimes, when I'm just kidding around with people, they think I'm meaning something a whole different way. †There are no audible tone cues (so we end up assuming and assigning tone that may not be there)! †No facial expressions. †Bupkus. †It's a very pure, unaffected medium on the one hand, but also a very clueless, dry medium on the other. †In other words: †we're cool, no worries, mate.




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I have problems with just about any grain or legume, refined flour or starch. I do wonder if my mom is an O nonnie. As I've said before (and it makes my twinnie PT laugh when I say it! ), I'm a nonnie in everything but secretor status. Fresh vegetables and fruits, lean red meat and fish, eggs, some poultry (mainly turkey), mineral water and beneficial juices, rooibos tea, beneficial nuts and a few dried fruits, and chocolate. That's it. NO grains/legumes, little or no dairy (I do use plain butter some of the time--usually when I run out of ghee and don't have time to make more), little or no sweeteners. If I step off this path even for a day, my health suffers.

Through experimentation I've found that of the refined compliant flours, brown rice flour is the one least likely to set off blood sugar spikes and cravings, followed by quinoa and millet. But having said that, even those flours cause problems so they are infrequent-use items for me now. Everything else makes me sick if I use it more than infrequently.

At this point, I am no longer baking on a regular basis. And truth be told, now I don't even really like baked goods--two minutes of enjoyment, two days of paying for that two minutes. Definitely not worth it! My body might crave goodies, but my head doesn't want them because they are dead foods. (Does that make me a deadhead? *lol*!!) I want live fresh vegetables and fruits instead. I don't even want pretzels or potato chips that much any more. I want the IDEA of them more than the actual eating of them--you know? Old habits and all that. I'm slowly conquering those habits, but it's taking time. Still, progress is progress.

If I could just excise my damn addiction to grain starch--remove it completely . . . *quiet sigh* Life lessons can be tough at times.


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I am the same, I'm a weird case, an A, both parents A's but there had to be some powerful O nonnie somewhere in my lineage.  Grains/Starches don't cause cravings just extreme pain.  I know in myself and I believe in most other people these adverse reactions and cravings for starches in general is caused by extreme intestinal yeast.  It is a fight, everyday, so exhausting.

PT, ditto on the sarcasim issue, I think that is my problem and I too often write like I would talk, in person these comments would be laughed at, on-line they seem offensive, lesson to work on



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I have problems with just about any grain or legume, refined flour or starch. I do wonder if my mom is an O nonnie. As I've said before (and it makes my twinnie PT laugh when I say it! ), I'm a nonnie in everything but secretor status.


Sounds like me. I've said more than once that I wonder if my secretor test was right.



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PT, ditto on the sarcasim issue, I think that is my problem and I too often write like I would talk, in person these comments would be laughed at, on-line they seem offensive, lesson to work on

(((((hug)))))))  I've been misunderstood on the net more times than I can count.  And, apparently, I've misunderstood others.  It (the net) is a tricky, sticky wicket all right.  I love it, but sometimes I don't pay enough mind to that.  I think, from now on, if I don't know how to take something said on the net, I'm going to assume the BEST.  I mean, why not?  Even if someone meant something mean, that way, I'll be blissfully ignorant of that fact *lol*.  And if they did mean whatever it was in the best way possible, then I will have taken it correctly.





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As I've said before (and it makes my twinnie PT laugh when I say it! ), I'm a nonnie in everything but secretor status.

Brig, re you being a nonnie in every way but secretor status (lol again), do you think it is possible that you had some sort of tiny cut in your mouth the day you did your saliva test? †Or that your gums were bleeding?  Perhaps a rogue ABO antigen found its way into your saliva, seriously. †Not bloody likely (literally), but is it theoretically possible? †Could it be worth it to do the secretor test again? †Because taking your whole profile into consideration, you do exude nonnieness from every pore of your body. †I say blow another $50 or whatever the secretor test is up to these days. †What the heck, you are made of money, right (not)?





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I just voted "no."  I haven't eaten grains in almost a week, as I'm doing what I can to control Candida.  I've heard it suggested to not eat grains for 6 weeks while doing the Yeast/Fungus Protocol.  But I feel so much more energetic without the grains.  They seem like they'd be a waste of time, even after this six weeks is up.  I really do think that it was the Candida calling the grains, not true O nonnie self.  
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I just voted "no." †I haven't eaten grains in almost a week, as I'm doing what I can to control Candida. †I've heard it suggested to not eat grains for 6 weeks while doing the Yeast/Fungus Protocol. †But I feel so much more energetic without the grains.

That was exactly my experience, too, the one time I went without grains several years ago:  much more energy and vitality, even more than just being on the BTD prior to that but still eating grains had blessed me with.
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I really do think that it was the Candida calling the grains, not true O nonnie self.

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I've thought about getting the secretor test done again just to make sure . . . we'll see how finances go. Forty bucks makes a big hole in my paycheck at the moment.

For now, I just cut out grains, legumes and dairy. It works; that's good enough for the moment.


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I've thought about getting the secretor test done again just to make sure . . . we'll see how finances go. Forty bucks makes a big hole in my paycheck at the moment.

For now, I just cut out grains, legumes and dairy. It works; that's good enough for the moment.

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For the past week and a half, I have been only eating one rice cake a day.  That's a big step from eating two a day for years.  Since it's a grain that I do ok with, I have been pretty attached to it.  

One a day is just fine for now.  I've lost a pound and a half, and think I'll hang on to my one-a-day!  



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I'm a secretor, but I tend to do best when I don't eat grains more three to five times per week; about every other day is about right. Some grains make me crave more grains; and I can eat the whole box, loaf, pie, batch if I'm not careful.


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Note to all you folks who avoid all grains (or who are thinking of doing so):

If grains are defined as the seeds of any plant in the grass family (as I believe they are), then you might also want to avoid all other foods derived from the grass family, such as barley malt, corn syrup, rice syrup, Sucanat (alias evaporated cane juice), sugar, molasses and blackstrap molasses.

The only sweeteners I can think of that I'm sure are not made from grasses are honey, maple syrup (and maple sugar), stevia, and our old friend agave nectar.


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Carol, thanks for the thoughts. Makes total sense. Sense I see barley malt mentioned here, barley malt syrup the same as barley malt flour? Or would they both be considered the same - neutral? Finally found some maple sugar. Coombs Family farm kept emailing me their list, but the sugar wouldn't show. She finally copied and pasted to get it to me. What I found however, I got at WF. Was just glad to finally find it!  



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Right, Laura.  If someone had trouble with corn but not with wheat, for example, they'd be more likely to have trouble with corn syrup or sorghum molasses than with barley malt.


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Right, Laura.  If someone had trouble with corn but not with wheat, for example, they'd be more likely to have trouble with corn syrup or sorghum molasses than with barley malt.


So sorghum is in the corn family? If so, should O's be using it or is the fact that it's SOOOOO cooked down, that makes it ok to use?



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Have you ever seen sorghum plants?  They look just like corn, except that the grain grows on the tassels on top rather than in ears.  And yes, they're related.

Sorghum grain has been tested, but not sorghum molasses.  This means that sorghum molasses is technically an Unknown (or some would say a Cautious Neutral), but if sorghum grain is an Avoid for you (which it is), and corn syrup (which is also pretty darn cooked down) is also an Avoid for you (which it is), then I'd put my money on sorghum molasses being an Avoid for you (when/if it's ever tested).

Too bad -- it's yummy stuff!



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Ohhhhhhhhh Carol,                 I think I just develped amnesia. Don't remember a thing I just read about that sorghum info. Mannnnnnnnnnn, I love molasses. There are other molasses. Maybe I could switch to one of those. Any suggestions?  Gosh, my whole day is ruined............                Yeah, I know, I'll get over it.  



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The majority of molasses is made from sugarcane, unless otherwise noted (as in sorgum).  Molasses is OK for nonnies despite its relationship to sugarcane.    Sugarcane is not a grain.  It is, nonetheless, an avoid for O nonnies.


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Sugarcane would be a grain if it had seeds (not sure whether it does or whether it's been bred not to).  It's definitely a member of the grass family, so sugar, molasses, and Sucanat are grain-type sweeteners.

But you're right, Patty, if it says just "molasses" or "Barbados molasses" or "blackstrap molasses," it's made from sugar cane.  The kind of molasses that's made from sorghum is called "sorghum molasses."


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I think that even secretors should be extremely carefull with grains.
It works like drugs in me- if I start the day with some grain product - iīll be 100% sure that the rest of the day Iīll eat far more grains- than if I started grainfree. However if my grain is oatmeal with milk and butter or a slice of bread with eggs- the effect is less than if it was just bread or pancakes...Protein/fat balance ??? or just the fact that whole grains are better than flour ?

I normally keep my grains to a max 1 serving pr day- it makes it easier to cook for my O as well.
Most weeks I aim at max 5 servings.
The last 2 weeks I have been 99,5 % grainfree- 2 cookies sneaked in- as well as 1 crispbread and I am so surprised about how much better I feel- no more drops in sugarlevels

Well sugarcane is like Carol wrote a grass- but what about sugarbeets... not a grain - but still bad news for most of us!


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New to the diet and still just feeling my way around it and not having had the secretor test done yet, I gave up wheat over a week ago and was surprised that it was not too hard though i felt bad for a couple of days.. Then a few days ago, I decided to go the whole way and gave up all grains. Wow I can't believe it. Here are the results,

Food craving gone. I feel like my eating is finally under my control.

Pain in joints lessening every day aand more mobility in joints.

Fluid retention reducing.

Weight slowly going after finding it impossible to shift.

More mental clarity.

Skin feels better.

I am a long way from perfect yet and am still eating cheese and occasionally potatoes and other avoids, but grains have proved to be the big nono and now I am really encouraged to continue to become compliant enough for healing to really get going in my body. This has been the key that I have searched for. I am so overthemoon.
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keep up the good work! )


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Thanks Lola.I am amazed at the different feel to my skin after only a few days. It is smoother and silkier. I can only imagine how good things will get a few months into the diet with more compliance.
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grains have proved to be the big nono and now I am really encouraged to continue to become compliant enough for healing to really get going in my body. This has been the key that I have searched for. I am so overthemoon.


Wow, that's great! It can take a while for the body to adjust, heal, etc. It's wonderful that you're seeing results so soon. For some, it seems to take several months to be where you are already. Sometimes it can take up to 2 years with strict avoidance for the true healing to be complete. Lots of rebalancing occurs in the body once it's off grain, it seems. I reduced them somewhat gradually. The so-called 'gluten' grains (wheat, spelt, kamut, triticale, rye, barley) should go first as they are usually the most problematic for people, independant of blood type. Interestingly, the human gut can't break down gliadin (the protein that is the problem in wheat, spelt, kamut and triticale), so even for people who seem to tolerate gluten grains, it's still a challenge to benefit from them in any meaningful way.

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Interestingly, the human gut can't break down gliadin (the protein that is the problem in wheat, spelt, kamut and triticale), so even for people who seem to tolerate gluten grains, it's still a challenge to benefit from them in any meaningful way.


Shel, welcome to the forum!!
In re: to the above comment, if this were true, wouldn't everyone be at least gluten
intolerant?   Also, please add millet, barley, rye and oats (for some) to the list of grain w/ gluten.  



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Thanks for the welcome! Yes, it is very likely that all humans are at least mildly intolerant. Most people don't know it because they don't have classic Celiac symptoms (that was the case for me).

The only grains that contain 'gliadin' are the ones that I listed. Rye and barley should be avoided, too. Millet is never listed as a gluten grain by Celiac sites, but I avoid it. The other grains that don't contain gliadin have proteins that the body reacts to in a similar way as gliadin, but gliadin is the worst, it seems, when it comes to causing gut damage. It never breaks down fully. The book Dangerous Grains is worth reading, even though it's a bit out of date. Anyway, the high levels of gliadin in wheat are why wheat is particularly bad - it's been bred to contain higher amounts of gliadin because it makes it more 'hard' and good for bread making, etc. It's used in things like glue, too. The reason that oats are a problem, according to many studies, is that they are usually highly contaminated with gluten during processing (they are processed in places that process wheat). Many non-grain grains like quinoa might have the same problem. 'Gluten' is a bit of a misnomer, though. It just means the protein in any grain, including corn. In modern times it has come to mean the protein in specific grains.  

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The only grains that contain 'gliadin' are the ones that I listed. Rye and barley should be avoided, too. Millet is never listed as a gluten grain by Celiac sites, but I avoid it. The other grains that don't contain gliadin have proteins that the body reacts to in a similar way as gliadin, but gliadin is the worst, it seems, when it comes to causing gut damage.  The reason that oats are a problem, according to many studies, is that they are usually highly contaminated with gluten during processing (they are processed in places that process wheat). 'Gluten' is a bit of a misnomer, though. It just means the protein in any grain, including corn. In modern times it has come to mean the protein in specific grains.  


According to this site, the definition of gliadin is:

Gliadin: A glycoprotein (a carbohydrate plus a protein) within gluten. Gliadin is found in wheat and some other grains, including oats, rye, barley, and millet.

According to this definiton, gliadin is a glycoprotein within gluten. Would this not make them basically one in the same re: allergies or intolerances?   This site does list millet, tho I must admit, it's the first time I've ever seen it included.

Oats are also sometimes contaminated in the fields in which they are grown. If wheat or another grain containing gluten was grown there the year before, it is contaminated in this way.




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Hmm, that's very strange. That's the first time I've read that gliadin is in those grains, too!

The articles below offer some help. Just a sample from my quick Google searches just now, so there are better descriptions out there. Funny how in the second link they talk about 'Kawmut' (instead of kamut). But I think that the articles on this page are fairly informative about this.  

http://www.alphanutrition.com/celiac/gluten.htm

http://www.enabling.org/ia/celiac/grains.html

The link below is interesting. It describes the problem with barley malt for people who are sensitive.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/en.....70&dopt=Abstract

And this is from Dr. D about non-secretors and Celiac:

http://www.dadamo.com/PathType/PathType-read.pl?show=30

Interesting, but he isn't as up on this as he should be, sadly. Most doctors aren't, of course. Only full blown Celiac is recognized. I know many people who are horribly sensitive to gluten but it doesn't show up in the blood tests. Stool testing seems to be the best way to determine this. I got tested by Enterolab. http://www.enterolab.com

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Hi Shel

and welcome. I have been seriously trying to heal for quite a few years now, and went macrobiotic for a time. I have tried everything, and worked hard for years two on an anti-Candida diet, but only got so far. Giving up on grains feels like it is going to be the one thing that is going to cause significant change and it is very interesting what you are saying and giving us links about re grains. I really needed for this to happen as I have got so weary with all of the effort not getting me far and relapses occuring when I gave up. I got so down this time that I have the motivation to stay off grains now that there are some results so soon. I cannot stop feeling my skin!

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Also, please add millet, barley, rye and oats (for some) to the list of grain w/ gluten. †


Millet ????
I think it is without gluten
- at least that is what we always was told :use millet, corn or rice if we should feed babies no gluten food before 6 months.
and
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it is now gaining popularity as a delicious and nutritious grain that can be enjoyed for both its unique virtues as well as the fact that it is a gluten-free grain alternative to wheat.

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Millet ????I think it is without gluten


I dont know HB, that's just what I read. Truthfully, when you look at this aspect*** of it, any grain could be contaminated I guess.
*** Oats are also sometimes contaminated in the fields in which they are grown. If wheat or another grain containing gluten was grown there the year before, it is contaminated in this way.

I'll have to have a look into this as I want to know all there is to know about celiac.



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Hi Pat,

be prepared now to get blown away!  In her book about SCD, Elaine Gottschall refers to a research's experiment in England.   They first stripped a grain of all gluten ... then re-added the same gluten to this
de-glutenized grain.  This was then fed to celiacs .... results .... no reaction.  Apparently the gluten when strongly linked within a grain 'bends' a protein.  [The re-introduction of gluten meant that this gluten's relationship was just mechanical rather than the chemical bonding, as in the original grain.]  Celiacs react to the configuration ... NOT to gluten .... wild, eh?

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why then they de-recommend even spelt for celiacs on the wiki's from our massr Dr. D
they marked it because of the intervention from gluten & gliadin....so far...even oats do have a bit, but is not a real no-no....it seems in this case  

but what I observed was, that spelt is the only-one which might cause lesser damage
then all the other grains.....or flours.....less of pains...what I can't tell about the intake of any kind of oats  


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I think here theory and praxis are getting widely splitted  

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Hi Isa,

the theory posed above has some real consequences because it focuses on the 'real' problem and just not something close.  The 'reaction' to the protein-bending ... may mean than the shape of the bending is what folks are allergic too ... so it may have little to do with the amount of gluten in each species of grain ... but how twisted and bent (the shape) of the involved proteins.  It also means it may be OK to eat breads that have flours stripped of gluten yet have gluten added as a binder????????????

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hm John sorry didn't got it at 100% because I have also kiddies with celiac and ADHS which are all corresponding onto the gluten-gliadin question, when no wheat or better said nothing with gluten-gliadin was taken in, they show up a very normal behaviour; but if not....ooooo....oooooh we do have a problem then so does it mean that we could get them triggered with 10-13 herz onto the Vegatester and /or even it might be true that I could overcome with this all kinds of allergic reactions?-so no real
interactions with the stuff and intestines?- or better said it might be as a new form of desensibilisation?
Gluten-gliadin is the potent protein which triggers....no ? thanks in advance
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Hi Isa,

the problem may be in the way gluten-gliadin effect some of the proteins in the bread ... IF THESE ARE BOUND TOGETHER IN A CHEMICAL WAY (strong), NOT A MECHANICAL MIX (weak).  With your Vega-tester this would be easy to test ... (1) only/pure gluten (2) regular bread (3) bread with no gluten (4) #3 + #1 (new bread ... baked together).  The conclusion - #2 (all kinds of problems) does not equal #4 (no problems).

If this is right, then celiacs CAN eat gluten foods (baking) .... as long as the grain is free off chemically-bound gluten.

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ahhaaa now I understood. thanks for your explanation ..oups ;o but there're almost some chemical bakingpowders or similarities in...so far you mention the grain and the flour...in their own chemical structure or was it meant the grain must be free of any kind of glutenbinders....
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the glutens it seems, if they are natural to the grain, they can bend the proteins, if these binders are baked into bakery foods the relationship is not too close ... and the proteins are OK then and the allergens are gone.

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sorry John, its' me again ...can't get it right..... gluten/gliadin..this ARE the triggers and proteins
which are causing the reactions... when baked so the foods are containing these stuffs and how it could be that allergic reactions would be avoided when eaten   by persons with such foodintolerances
Peter teaches us just this is to be avoid.....the interaction of those lectins of such products with the gut
of foodsensitive peoples.... = the incompatibility of wheatlectins and O's, for example ......
oooo...ooooo this morning my stubborness got me...sorry John  
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Hi Isa,

the researchers wished to find out whether the allergy of celiacs was to the 'gluten' itself.  What they discovered was: gluten is a cause of problems only when it is naturally found in grains (( here it 'bends' grain-proteins )).  If these same grains are stripped of all their gluten, then this gluten is added back (( into the baking dough )), there was no reaction.

Gluten is not the allergen most people (you and DR D too) still believe it to be - it is however, gluten's ability to change to structure of grain-proteins.  This 'ability' is only active in natural-whole grains.

John

PS. I didn't do this experiment.  I am only trying to repeat what I have read.  There are many breads/cookies baked only with added gluten ... are these safe foods for celiacs?


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so thatswhy *sprouting* might be one of the keys


and I thought that gluten-gliadin are *the* grainproteins causing such damages
as it is written in the clinical literatures  

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Just to bring up a good point, there is no such thing as a 100 percent germination rate in any seed population and a 90 percent germination rate is pretty darn good. Therefore, while 100 percent sprouted breads are great in theory, they just arent possible in reality. Which is why people who are at all sensitive to wheat or other grains or those wishing to be 100 percent complient and are not saposed to eat wheat, shouldnt eat sprouted grain products. If 5 to 10 percent or more of the grain isnt sprouted do you think most of those companies would take the time to carefully seperate the unsprouted grain? Probably what happens is they sprout all the grain and the grains that arent sprouted are mushy are put into the bread along with everything else. Sorry for my ranting and babbling but I have just given up grains 2 days ago. I had been reading about people giving up grains several weeks ago on this forum and 3 weeks ago I had decided to cut back on my grains even more and adhere the serving recommendations for an A nonnie. 5 to 7 servings of grains a week seemed tough I had only been eating rice and amaranth but was having severe tomach cramps, gas, severe pain in the back, throwing up, severe nausia. I have had these fits throughout my life and been lactose intolerent as well. Along with developing Hypothyroidism at 24(Im 25 now), and my doctor suspected PCOS after having irregular periods along with very heavy bleeding sometimes with 2 periods a month. I also was diagnosed with severe iron anemia when diagnosed with hypothyroidism. Anyway sorry for telling you all my health problems but this is what I have just read about and figured out in my own body. Anyway two or three weeks ago I decided to go a few days with out grains it was fine not too many cravings but when eating breakfast with my boyfriend I would eat rye bread with my boyfriend and then things would go down hill. Ezkieal breads at home became too tempting and my cravings and addiction got worse. At first I had lost weight with out grains and then gained 3 pounds after two helpings of rice at dinner and then I started eating more rice and have had a horrible time with my body. I was blood tested for celiac but came back negative. I think my problems are related closely with grains and after just reading the book Going Against the Grain Im pretty sure my health problems are closely related to grain intolerances. After giving up grains for sure for a while to see how my body would respond Ive lost at least a pound in a half, my stomach is still giving my complaints but much less and Im feeling better. We will see how it goes as time passes but I think this might be a more permant change I wasnt sure if an A nonnie should totally avoid grains but I cant seem to handle them at all. My mom is an O sec. so maybe that has something to do with it. Im sorry if this post was long winded but needed to let people know that grains can be dangerous in some peoples bodies and that sprouted grains are not necessarily a great solution to not having wheat products.
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there are a lot of other sprouted grain breads you can make.....
like millet or kamut........etc.


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Thank you for your post. †

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I have just given up grains 2 days ago.

Congratulations. †
Only after having given up grains (rarely sinning with rye pumpernickel) have I experienced a significant relief in my knee aches when climbing stairs!

Quoted from JamieB
needed to let people know that grains can be dangerous in some peoples bodies and that sprouted grains are not necessarily a great solution to not having wheat products.

Even as O secretor, since on BTD I have tried sprouted wheat bread but once, and decided it was for the last time - made me feel not so good. Will repeat the secretor test sometime.



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Well Im doing ok today and my face looks thinner and I went down a pound since yesterday.
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good for you! )


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Hey all you A-nonnies - what grains do you have problems with? I've had great success with Brown basmati rice (organic) - I get it at COSTCO for $10 a bag. It's very fragrant and soothing (good for A's

When I was a kid my dad and I used to eat toast with butter and cinnamon sugar while watching afternoon cartoons. Then we'd have dinner with mom. I'd get horrible IBS (and bloating) and she'd think I was avoiding doing the dishes (it was just a happy coincidence). I tried to tell her I was in pain. I became an avid fan of Pepto Bismol. Glug, glug, glug. (Incidentally, it contains kaolin clay which is used in the treatment of ulcer due to H.Pylori).

I do not do well with wheat. I get eye globbers and puffiness. Don't have this reaction to spelt tho - it tends to make me crave butter. (My ancestors were dairy farmers.)

I do fine with quinoa. Is amaranth considered a grain? (I think it is technically a fruit). Anyway, the nutritional profile on it is phenomenal (protein, iron, etc.) I make crackers out of it and eat it with my 'refried' pinto beans and yogurt. (Ooh, I'm salivating.) Carbs are powerful things.


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amaranth is an allowed grain in the health series books........(don t know about the other types).


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I only eat Ezekial bread and the occasional bit of Manna bread. I have no problem with them but need to avoid them if I am leaning towards weight loss. I tend to seek out carbs from carrots when trying to drop a few pounds quickly.


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I have to avoid grains and carbs in general, like mad.
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I do eat grains on a daily basis actually, anywhere from 1/2 cup -1 cup approx ... brown/white long grain rice or basmati ... millet, barley, quinoa,  oatmeal ...  manna bread ...


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Learning just this week that I am a B non-secretor will probably change the way I look at grains.  I recently cut out oatmeal because it was too much for my system at this time.  I do eat rice cakes daily with almond butter and do have cooked millet or cooked brown rice on a daily basis but have downsized my portions.  

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Hi LF,
It will be interesting to see how your relationship with grains changes as you adapt to your new realization of being a non-secretor.  I also used to rely heavily on grains.  Now my grain intake is a rice cake with almond butter/crushed walnuts.  

That's all the grains I eat, and one of the best changes I ever made.



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Hello,   Just to let you know about my reaction.  Last week my husband wanted pizza so we went to a restaurant for pizza!  I had two pieces of cheese pizza and started having mucus in my throat.  I had to keep coughing to clear it.  What a feeling of instant body response.   I  thought my system would take one "avoid" but now I know.  That is a reaction that was tied to the food.  I'm wondering about the pain in my forarm muscle that I've been saying is because I exercised it to hard.  I wonder if I'm having a reaction from the Ezekiel bread or rice noodles.  


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Hi LF,
It will be interesting to see how your relationship with grains changes as you adapt to your new realization of being a non-secretor.  I also used to rely heavily on grains.  Now my grain intake is a rice cake with almond butter/crushed walnuts.  

That's all the grains I eat, and one of the best changes I ever made.



Have u ever tried mixing  together a couple spoonfulls of almond butter, dried raisins, a few chopped walnuts and a spoonful of lecithin granules Victoria or anybody else ??
What a wonderful and satisfying snack !!
It takes a longtime to eat 'cause it's sticky, crunchy and filling all at the same time and is especially w-o-n-d-e-r-f-u-l when u have a  little craving and wanna remain COMPLIANT !!!  


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I think I voted some months ago on this issue. Back then I was eating a small amt of compliant grain †every day. Then allergy season hit - so I've virtually eliminated grains. And guess what -I'm doing pretty well on the allergy front but best of all I'm †loseing weight.



Laura can you tell if I voted? I don't want to mess things up by voting twice.

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don't worry about it, I can't tell if you did or not, but you are a different person now, so vote again.  Glad you are no-graining it with success!!! Good to have another A among the crew



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I know this is probably not the correct thread... but i have just discovered i am a nonnie...  As a new nonnie, when i never thought in a million years i would be one - i am devestated.  I'm sorry, i know you all deal with it just fine - and i'm sure i'll get there.  I just need to cry a little bit!  AND i need to re-read the book.  I have been functioning as a secretor...

I'm hoping this will clear up the mystery.  But i'm really scared about what i won't be able to eat!  I already feel as though my choices are very limited.  I know....boo-hoo....right?  

Again, i'm sorry - but if i can't come to this forum, where can i turn??

Thanks all - Nancy
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Nancy,
Don't be scared about the unknown...  Just re-read the list and adjust as needed.  Take the time you need.  Over time, you will realize that it is for the better and, viola, no more concern.


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Nancy,
Welcome to another B nonnie!    You are so fortunate to be armed with this knowledge.  Non-secretors suffer more from avoids than secretors (my impression), and those nonnies who continue to eat like secretors are setting themselves for illness.  However, by eating for your non-secretor status, we can assure ourselves healing and health.  Our bodies very quickly adjust to foods that make us feel good and look good.  It won't be long before this will be second nature to you.  It's worth it.  

I ate as a secretor for several years prior to getting secretor tested, and after I made the appropriate adjustments to my diet, I was amazed at how much better my health was.



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I eat a bit of rice and quinoa sometimes, and I think I do fine on it.  

But I definitely can't handle sugar of any kind.  I get headaches like mad, and then have to neutralize the pain with some kale or escarole.
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Hi to all!
I know this is an old post, but could someone tell me-if some of you are not eating grains at all, what are you eating? I just had lunch- just green beans and a piece of Turkey and the turkey made me so sick! Does anyone else have problems with turkey? I hate vegetables honestly but am trying to eat as much as I can stand. Mind you I'm new to this. I tried swiss chard last night-it was so bitter! I'm probably  not cooking it right.
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most As do well on grains and complete protein combos
Legumes + seeds
Legumes + nuts
Legumes + dairy
Grains + legumes
Grains + dairy
try those until compliant animal protein agrees with you.


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Thanks for the info. What exactly are legumes?
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beans are legumes


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Hi to all!
I know this is an old post, but could someone tell me-if some of you are not eating grains at all, what are you eating? I just had lunch- just green beans and a piece of Turkey and the turkey made me so sick! Does anyone else have problems with turkey? I hate vegetables honestly but am trying to eat as much as I can stand. Mind you I'm new to this. I tried swiss chard last night-it was so bitter! I'm probably †not cooking it right.


Before I got soft water and a purified drinking water system in my house, my
Swiss Chard tasted bitter.  I wrote to the company that made my cookware (All Clad) to find out if it was reacting to something in the pan.  They wrote back and told me to put a little olive oil in the water before cooking.  My Swiss Chard was once again sweet.  Now I don't even have to add olive oil since using water from my drinking water system.
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Thanks everyone for the help! I need to find a heavy pan to cook with as mine aren't good enough. I also just read about cutting out the swiss chard stems before cooking so I'm going to try that too!
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Since this thread has been revived, I must report that my answer has changed since last year.  I have reduced my rice cakes to one a day, and I now have about 1/3 C soft cooked millet 4 or 5 times a week.  



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Quoted from Sunny
Hi to all!
I know this is an old post, but could someone tell me-if some of you are not eating grains at all, what are you eating? I just had lunch- just green beans and a piece of Turkey and the turkey made me so sick! Does anyone else have problems with turkey? I hate vegetables honestly but am trying to eat as much as I can stand. Mind you I'm new to this. I tried swiss chard last night-it was so bitter! I'm probably †not cooking it right.


Was the turkey pure natural turkey or did it have the typical injected saline (or ? solution added?  The reason I ask, my A daughter will not eat the injected turkey.  It MUST be natural turkey.  If there are any added anything prior to buying the meat, she'll know it when she eats the first bite and that will be all she eats.



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good point!
hope that turkey was natural.


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The turkey was bought at Sprouts and ground by them. No additives as far as I know.
I'm waiting on the results of the advanced blood test to see if that can help me understand what I should or shouldn't be eating in any further detail. I live in Phoenix so went to the college downtown in Scottsdale.
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Commercially raised turkeys can be heavily dosed with growth hormones to cut the time in half from the egg to the grocery store.  More money for them, bad news for us.  Try and find totally chemical-free meats if at all possible.  Even if no additives have been used in the meat itself, the animal could have been fed routine antibiotics and hormones without it being listed as an ingredient on the store package.



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I've found that, when I eat grains (and wheat in particular), my abdomen starts to swell uncomfortably, and I have to end up taking my special intestinal combo of Deflect, astragalus, rose hips and zinc so that I almost immediately start "venting" (to put it delicately).  Then my stomach goes down and I feel great.

It's my all-purpose, personal cleanse.  Doing this routinely has done wonders for my abdomen in general, and it stays much flatter.
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I follow the Debra train.  Occassionally I eat brown rice, and now and again a rice cake if I need a "crunchy"....also, once in a while white rice if we are having sushi.
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Yes, I eat grain.  Sandwiches from Ezekiel bread and brown rice items like organic "Rice and Shine".  This was before finding out I'm a "Gatherer" in the GenoType Diet which lists brown rice in the limit intake column .  This new book has Millet in the ok foods.  So I guess I'm in for some trial meals!  
  


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Has anyone started to relax their antigrain stance in light of the Genotype books? Many of the genotypes allow more grains and sometimes they are labeled as super beneficial.

I am thinking that I need to allow more carbohydrates now that my meat options have been diminished.

But I have only eaten a timy amount in response to the new genotypes and have not suffered ill affects, but have been reluctant to increase either the amount or variety of grains that I consumed.

Any nonsecretors more brazen than me? How have you reacted so far?


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yes, am adding some amaranth and oats, alternating....in my smoothies, as well as a dollop of paneer!
not bad!


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Since GTD, I'm actually eating less grain--because I discovered that I'm gluten-intolerant.  But I still enjoy small portions of rice on a regular basis.  Rice is the only grain I eat lately, and I'm working on going with only brown rice.
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Eating lots more grain....and gaining weight!


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Has anyone started to relax their antigrain stance in light of the Genotype books? Many of the genotypes allow more grains and sometimes they are labeled as super beneficial.

I am thinking that I need to allow more carbohydrates now that my meat options have been diminished.

But I have only eaten a timy amount in response to the new genotypes and have not suffered ill affects, but have been reluctant to increase either the amount or variety of grains that I consumed.

Any nonsecretors more brazen than me? How have you reacted so far?




Since I now follow the GTD, I am actually eating more in quantity of grain.  I try to eat 5 servings of grain a day.  Beings I am gluten intolerant, also, I have cut out oat, and spelt flours, and of course, all wheats, and have used a LOT of brown rice.  I am now using quinoa, and buckwheat groats (not the roasted kind).  I've actually cut down my meat in take as of late.  I feels more sluggish and fatigued since I have done that.  I need to up my meat protein intake or more beans.   I have been having a dickens of a time try to GAIN weight!  I am 5' 5" and only weigh 111.  I've gained 1 pound in a month and a half....and that's with eating the increase of grain per day.  I have been struggling with a lot of coughing since I started the GTD...(that's been since the begining of Jan.)  Maybe, my system doen't like all the carbs, a puzzle I will figure out.
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I eat rice and rice noodles now and again.  I have pretty much given up on bread.   I love bread, but it doesn't love me!!
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Well, I have no choice but to stay away from wheat and corn.
I have allergies and I suspect arthritis coming on (joint
pain, etc). I do eat oatmeal, rice a little buckwheat
and sometimes a little rye. I seem to have no problems with
these. But if there is wheat mixed in with the rye or buckwheat, joint pain and inflammation starts up all over
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I found the entry by our guest as interesting. Just wish I
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I eat rice and rice noodles now and again.  I have pretty much given up on bread.   I love bread, but it doesn't love me!!


Have you tried flaxseed bread? http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/od/breads/r/flaxbasicfoc.htm?p=1



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Eating lots more grain....and gaining weight!


I ate lots more grain (still not as much as I was supposed to on the explorer diet) until I could not handle all the fungal infections that resulted from this indulgence. I had to cut back, because I still could not handle grains well.


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all issues need to be attended in conjunction with the diet, creating your own individualized frequency values of each food category.
like for example a gatherer with arthritis flare ups, needs to go slow on the night shades, even if tomatoes are diamonds...etc.

that s where 'GTswami light' comes in the picture, I presume!


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As far as I can tell I don't have any issues with brown rice or millet, the two compliant grains I use. I have one to two servings most days.

I will use oats every once in a while when I can add black dot foods back into my diet again.



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I thought some of you might be interested in this. It's a short video on  Celiac Disease. Here's the link. I wasn't sure if I could post a youtube video here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8s9uMR-5eY


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I can tolerate a small amount of rice - basmati - or rice crackers and only if eaten with protein. (I will try millet after reading Geno type Book)otherwise yes i crave wrong foods and over eat and crave more grains which make me ache and have cotton wool in the head and generally feel like i have the flu.  I am struggling with many health issues of an auto immune nature and would love to hear from others living their blood type who have auto immune conditions and their improvements.
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Leslee,
just hop on the wagon and take one step at a time!
we ll help you attain your goals!


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I ate a big bowl of Millet Tuesday night and when I woke up on Wednesday, I didn't feel as good as I had the other days.  I think it had something to do with it.  It made me feel good after eating it, warmed me up.  But the next morning I wasn't hungry and even had a hard time breathing.  Felt, just fatigued and weird.  It could've been a coincidence, but part of me is thinking not.  Every time I try to eat oatmeal for breakfast, my system is like, NO WAY you are overloaded.  So I have a feeling I'm not so good with grains.  My secretor test is arriving today and I'll find out if I'm a nonnie.  I'm not sure.  Either way, too much grains is no good for me, from what I can tell.


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I eat carbs a ton, but miss the wheat...especially when eating out! Can you belive there are restaurants in California who actually have no wheat altenatives in the kitchen, like rice. I eat oatmeal every morn, rice, spelt, quinoa or ammarath salads with vegs for lunch.... snack on spelt snack in the AM and usually do carbs in the form of non-whaet bread or rice cracker at night with dinner. I am alergic to wheat and when I cut it out my cognitive functiong improved and the brain fog in the AM went away!


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I eat more grains than an O-nonnie should .

I find I'm fine with rice (thank goodness, living in Asia!), amaranth, millet, kamut and Quinoa (don't like the bitterness much though). I adore rye but that blows me up if I overdose on it.

I've come to the conclusion that any food that makes my mouth water just thinking about it, is probably bad for me. I just don't get that physical "mmmmm" reaction with beneficials.

I wondered whether I might be gluten-intolerant, but kamut contains gluten, doesn't it? I'm completely fine with that.


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AB-confrŤre, so do I feel when havin eaten millet...
so I just let it be, take sometimes quinoa and or amaranth which arent' grains but seeds and better I feel  
I stopped eating regulary bread of whatsoever..I only take basmatirice occasionally....even spelt....und tschŁss....I've
made my bread before on my own....stopped that as well  
coz it loads me up with kilos and as I'm menopausal.....I don't
need that in this period


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Since I started GTD, I eat more grain, and it doesn't seem to bother me.  I eat quinoa, oats, and rice (usually brown unless I'm away from home).  I have a bowl of oat bran (like oatmeal) daily in the evening.
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I eat them occasionally and I bloat and get tired.  A few hours later better,
Grains are everywhere I look.

Glad to find this thread.

Great insite to know I'm not alone.


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I hardly eat any grains. Just looking at a bowl of rice in a japanese restaurant, on the neighboring table,  reminds me to ask them to replace it with an extra salad.

I feel it immediately in my digestion. I feel heavy, bloated, gassy,sluggish, don't want to do anything. And of course I retain water and put on weight. If I overdo it with wheat, I immediataly feel a knee injury coming back to the surface of my consciousness. Otherwise it is just there (of course a knee injury will never go away, since I did have one after all), living in silence.

Powerful stuff, grains, for us O nonnies for me at least. I mean in the negative sense.

PS I do eat Ryvita (rye), just for the crunch with "raw" butter. Mmmmmm.Do you find raw butter in the US (I am in France). There is a world of difference with pasteurized butter.


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rye has moved far away from me now that I follow my GT2 guidelines!
but have welcomed so many new grains, which keep me happy!


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On the B non-secretor diet, I ate essentially no grains, but on the Genotype diet, I find that I'm thriving on millet.

Those of you for whom millet is a superfood;  if you don't feel so well when you eat it, try it dry roasted before cooking.  It is easier for my body to digest, and it tastes better too.

Rinse 1/2 C hulled millet in a metal strainer
Put into a skillet and stir over med/low heat, as the grains make little popping sounds.  Keep stirring until the grains smell toasty, but before the color darkens.

Pour millet into a saucepan containing 2 C water and 1/3 to 1/2 tsp good quality sea salt.

Bring to just under a boil and reduce heat to low simmer.  Cook tightly covered for approx. 20 minutes.

Shut heat and leave the lid on.  Let the pot sit for at least 15 minutes more.  Fluff grains.



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thanx for sharing Victoria


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So I just looked over the whole thread, and was amused at my posts .  This one was on 2/11/08:
Quoted from TJ
Since GTD, I'm actually eating less grain--because I discovered that I'm gluten-intolerant.  But I still enjoy small portions of rice on a regular basis.  Rice is the only grain I eat lately, and I'm working on going with only brown rice.


This one was on 7/28/08:
Quoted from TJ
Since I started GTD, I eat more grain, and it doesn't seem to bother me.  I eat quinoa, oats, and rice (usually brown unless I'm away from home).  I have a bowl of oat bran (like oatmeal) daily in the evening.


I guess this might be confusing to anyone reading!  I went gluten-free in January because I thought I was a Nomad, and it turned out to be a smart move because my egg sensitivity went away.  I should clarify that I didn't actually go on the GTD in Jan/Feb, I just took the gluten-free component and added it to the B-nonnie diet, and added THAT to trying to kill off yeast overgrowth.

Now that I'm on the Gatherer diet, I'm definitely eating more grain, but it's not causing a problem! (as long as I eat compliant grains)
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Isn't it amazing?  I cannot describe how happy I am to be able to tolerate wheat again.  I can't get over it.


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Quoted from Karen Vago
I hardly eat any grains. Just looking at a bowl of rice in a japanese restaurant, on the neighboring table,  reminds me to ask them to replace it with an extra salad.

I feel it immediately in my digestion. I feel heavy, bloated, gassy,sluggish, don't want to do anything. And of course I retain water and put on weight. If I overdo it with wheat, I immediataly feel a knee injury coming back to the surface of my consciousness. Otherwise it is just there (of course a knee injury will never go away, since I did have one after all), living in silence.

Powerful stuff, grains, for us O nonnies for me at least. I mean in the negative sense.

PS I do eat Ryvita (rye), just for the crunch with "raw" butter. Mmmmmm.Do you find raw butter in the US (I am in France). There is a world of difference with pasteurized butter.


I'm sure you are aware of the food ratings of these grains, but, just in case . . . wheat is a toxin for Gatherers, rye is black dot and so is white rice.  If you are finding that these foods make you feel bad, maybe you could try basmati rice, which is a superfood.  



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On the B non-secretor diet, I ate essentially no grains, but on the Genotype diet, I find that I'm thriving on millet.


Actually....millet is a seed  ...



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as in carbohydrate.......

that s what s at stake here.......


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Interesting reading for the nonnies..

http://www.dadamo.com/knowbase/PATHbase/depict.cgi?30


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I haven`t been eating grains the last 6-7 years.
When I started the GTD I wanted to try basmati rice, millet and quinoa
since they were supposed to be superfoods for Explorers.
But they didn`t work for me, so I`m back on no grains diet.
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and my gut has been ever so grateful with my addition of all the diamond grains and legumes in my GT guidelines!

there s no doubt we are all sailing on the same river but on our individualized canoes!!


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I haven`t been eating grains the last 6-7 years.
When I started the GTD I wanted to try basmati rice, millet and quinoa
since they were supposed to be superfoods for Explorers.
But they didn`t work for me, so I`m back on no grains diet.


It took many months on the GTD before I could digest grains well.  Nearly a decade of being 90% grain-free was a routine that was hard to break.  I think a lot of healing had to take place in my gut before the grains didn't hurt me somewhat.  

I still find that I do better on millet than on rice.  



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I guess I have to have another try with grains when I`m feeling better.........

Millet was the one where the reactions were mildest.
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As Accidental Chef points out, millet is a seed, and not exactly a grain.  That may be one reason it can be easier to digest.  It is perhaps the most high protein of the "grains" and lower on the glycemic scale than rice.

Try rinsing the millet very well under cold running water, then lightly toasting it in a dry skillet.  Cook with at least 3 parts water to one part grain, for 40 minutes.  Then let sit, still covered for an additional 10 or more minutes.



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Thanks Victoria!
I will try what you suggested the next time I try millet.
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I didn't realize millet was high in protein.  I knew quinoa was.


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I didn't realize millet was high in protein.  I knew quinoa was.


I believe quinoa is higher than millet.  But millet is higher than the others.



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and amaranth runs in second as well.....or a tie


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This is an old thread, but it is pertinent to my life today.  I have strayed away from the BTD/GTD to the Specific Carbohydrate Diet (SCD) because I had thrush.  Well, it does not include grains, so I can't blame the SCD.  

But lately I have gone crazy with cereal.  Last night I knew enough was enough and threw away the rest of the box.  I can not do grains.  I just want more and more and more, etc.

I am probably going to have to have surgery for bladder suspension and all the other stuff "down there" and I want to be in the best top shape.  So here I am back.

It is good to be back. I am looking forward to this forum.


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try detoxing and fortifying your immune system before the surgery....
welcome back!


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merribelle...welcome back to this way of life.  Follow the 'gatherer' foods...the grains there are most healing and yummilicious.  Have 4-6 smaller meals during the day.  Don't forget the veggies to combat those important cravings.

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I realized recently that I can't eat cereal in the morning even if I eat protein also.  It makes me feel really nauseated.  Even if it's all beneficial/neutral ingredients.  So maybe I don't do as well on grains as I thought.  I can eat a bowl of granola in the afternoon for a snack, but I feel rotten if I eat it for breakfast.


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I am keeping grains to a minimum these days.

Essene bread in the morning is the only regular.

I can go days without any other grains. That makes me eat all the more vegetables.

I like the feeling it gives me. Soon I will weigh myself and find out about the weight benefit! Although I am also off dairy so it wouldn't be the grains alone.

Would there be a nutritional reason one should include grains, other than not getting hungry too soon after a meal?

I have the feeling my blood sugar levels are more even without the grains.




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I stick to basmati rice and all the rest...ptuiiii....  I feel better without.... ...

oops and I thougt the 6 smaller intakes of foods were merely recommendations for us an  the A's ...and nada for the O's ....


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ok...quinoa is ok sometimes....amaranth a yummy thing when popped into my early morning mampf ....but I can't have mŁsli... ....
so far....millet still an avoid for me....   a nearly grainfree life .....= better.....


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My husband is a B+ nonnie Nomad.  I Make him a bread that is half almond meal and half flax seed, also several eggs to hold it all together.  Natually with baking powder and a liquid and whatever else you might want in it.


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I make flat bread but mostly for my husband (mix of cooked millet, egg & some sort of flour - tapioca, rice or oat)...
We don't have secretor info on him yet & no real need to either...I eat a little of it... But I find it is easy to snack extra when I have access to even these breads & prefer to stick to no grains altogether
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Interesting to see this old thread still up and running!  

When I first posted on this thread way back on page one, I was still eating rice cakes every day, but now I have changed my position on grains for me.  I have not eaten any grains at all for a few months, and it's greatly improved my gut health.



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[/quote]When I first posted on this thread way back on page one, I was still eating rice cakes every day, but now I have changed my position on grains for me.  I have not eaten any grains at all for a few months, and it's greatly improved my gut health.[quote]




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i suspect non for me and i don't eat alot of grains. some rice now and then and the occasional spelt toast or spelt wrap.i had rice monday i think it was but nothing sence then and i only had that becuse i was really hungry and that was a fast food. 10 min in the nuker and tada food.


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Yes, I do eat grains but not enough according to the SWAMI food values.  I should be having 1/2 cup 3x/day since I am too skinny and need to gain weight.

I don't crave grains at all and if I eat gluten, I don't feel that great.  I do well on rice, quinoa and millet.  Even though the list says spelt is ok, I have to listen to my body and my body right now says "no spelt".  So maybe I'll try again one day but  not now.


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Quoted from battle dwarf
i only had that becuse i was really hungry and that was a fast food. 10 min in the nuker and tada food.
Usually I think this way - 10 mins in the nuker & Tata (as in goodbye) food.... Incidentally 10 mins in the saucepan creates the same result...well I guess with two differences actually... More nutritious food & a saucepan & a bowl to wash... I have a ceramic one that I can eat out of so only one difference for me...
Even my microwave cookbooks say that the only advantage in using a microwave for pasta or rice is the "not using a saucepan" (creating washing up) but the admit it takes no less time...
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I am an O nonnie who has gone astray.  I started eating grains again when I got so constipated I missed a week of work.  I started eating Bran Buds in an effort to get 'regular.'  Since then I have slipped on to other cereals, corn chips, etc.  I have gained a lot of weight and my clothes don't fit.  I feel like I am in a fog.  I had my lab work done this week and my cholesterol and triglycerides are much higher.  I am stopping grains.  I guess I will live on prunes for 'fiber.'  Any suggestions, please?


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Try increasing your water & also fats, meat & those vegs...
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Larch arabinogalactan that you can get in the Ara6 supplement is a really great fiber.

Larch and astralagus are my favorite all blood type, general purpose supplements - if you can get your hands on the Blood Type Encyclopedia, you will see why.


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Try increasing your water & also fats, meat & those vegs...


What fats?  Olive oil?


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under oils in your book.....
diamond, SF and neutrals to a lesser degree......those fats


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Fat consumption is a good thing.  It is a nutritional requirement.  You do not get fat by consuming fat - unless it is counter productive for your type.  

The Nazis used to perform "experiments" on prisoners whose quiet disappearance would be good for the Reich; they would be given a reasonably nutritious diet (under the circumstances) with 0% fat content.  After a while the prisoner would die from the diet.

Nothing about fat-free diets in the Geneva Convention .....


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I'm not sure whether I already posted on this thread, but recently I've gotten to the point where I eat no grains at all except for rice in limited amounts.  It was hard to make the adjustment to no bread or crackers or grains, but I'm getting used to it now.  Rice is my friend, a dimaond on my SWAMI.  I do still eat rice cakes with almond butter or ghee as "bread" while having a bowl of soup or a cup of tea.  At first I think I ate too much rice (and too many rice cakes) while letting go of old habits, but I'm starting to level off now and get used to the diet that is meant for me.  Or I for it, whichever.  I can have quinoa, amaranth flour and a very few other grains, but I rarely indulge lately, and I notice that I feel better without them.  If I make amaranth tortillas, for example, which is fine for me, I will still tend to overeat them and they make me bloated and make me gain weight (water retention?).  I think I like the inside/out lean feeling better.  I can eat compliant grains in cake or cookies, and I don't feel badly on them as I would if I ate wheat, but I just feel better without them.  Not saying I will be able to resist making desserts with them on occasion anyway.  
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I quit eating cereal grains on February 7th, and the only "grain" I eat now is quinoa.  I'm tolerating beans and fruit much better.  I feel like my gut healing process is moving forward again!
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I feel like my gut healing process is moving forward again!




  



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I am so happy to have found this nonnie forum!

After listening to my body and to other nonnie folks I am happy to go grain free. My system does much better without them! Better transit time, makes me eat more veggies and fruit, and my mind is calmer.

HOWEVER...
The question I have, if another nonnie could answer, is about cholesterol. Being a Hunter type o nonnie not eating grains I wonder about cholesterol levels and if I should have a little grain to 'sop up' some of the cholesterol of the meatier diet.

Have any other Hunter type o nonnie's had their cholesterol checked while on Swami or non-secretor diet? If so what were your results?

Thanks if you have anything to share!!
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I'm a secretor that had cholesterol issues pre BT and stopping grains back them put them right back to where they were supposed to be. Meat and fat have no effect on my cholesterol, it's grains and carbs in general


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There is a HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN GLUTENOUS GRAINS and NON-GLUTENOUS QUINOA-RICE-WILD_RICE !

I only eat non-glutenous ones but I don't eat much. I choose wild rice since it has a less chance of becoming GENETICALLY MODIFIED!
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I still eat some but not as many as I used to.  My system seems to do much better without the extra starchy carbohydrates. My O friend who is doing BTD just had her blood cholesterol and total went down, good went up and bad went down more than the total.
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Even more good news on abstaining from grains: my salt cravings and decreasing and my tolerance for potassium is increasing (Translation: my adrenal glands are starting to work right!!!)
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It SEEMS as males can and or need grains more than females. just an observation. this female doesn't NEED any.


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our cholesterol goes up by eating the wrong carbs, no worries

fear the wheat, not the meat


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our cholesterol goes up by eating the wrong carbs, no worries

fear the wheat, not the meat


PUT THAT ON A T-SHIRT!


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Cholesterol is a required nutrient: it is the precursor to your entire system or hormones.

Most A's should keep their cholesterol consumption down (best done via Dr D' Adamo's diet) as they have low intestinal alkaline phosphotase, which is required to turn cholesterol from a poison into nutrition.

Most O's should not eat grains that interfere with the ability of their high intestinal alkaline phosphotase to break the cholesterol down for proper absorbtion, and they need the heavy meat for proper nutrition.  Again, the best is to follow Dr. D' Adamo's diet.

Forget the one-size-fits-all advice and health scares.  Check with Dr. D' Adamo to find out what You, specifically,  do need to watch for.


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Awesome, thanks MsRubyLu and Mother, that's what I was looking to know
Thanks everybody.
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Watched Dr Oz and thought about "oat bran"  but after reading this form I think I'll stick to what I know and leave the fad diets to whomever....  I have cut down on my "sandwiches" from Ezekiel bread, now having meat or fish without the bread(sometimes I chop fish up on top of a salad.)


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re: cholesterol as an essential nutrient...

i thought that 75% of cholesterol was manufactured in the body???

if only 1/4 of cholesterol is dietary then it seems that dietary cholesterol is not as important as the natural processes to create it???
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I am so happy to have found this nonnie forum!

After listening to my body and to other nonnie folks I am happy to go grain free. My system does much better without them! Better transit time, makes me eat more veggies and fruit, and my mind is calmer.

HOWEVER...
The question I have, if another nonnie could answer, is about cholesterol. Being a Hunter type o nonnie not eating grains I wonder about cholesterol levels and if I should have a little grain to 'sop up' some of the cholesterol of the meatier diet.

Have any other Hunter type o nonnie's had their cholesterol checked while on Swami or non-secretor diet? If so what were your results?

Thanks if you have anything to share!!


I am a O nonnie Hunter and I eat very few grains.  Rice and quinoa occasionally.  I also have two SWAMIs, one that I purchased on my own and then I went to see Dr. Nash, Dr. D's associate, and I got a SWAMI from her.  Both my SWAMI's give me more servings of FISH than meat.  I did a poll on the forum a week ago and come to find out, more nonnies get more servings of fish than red meat.  Hunters seem to be associated with red meat, but I have begun to think of myself as a FISHER, so coined by Ruthiegirl  


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I am an Explorer, have been following the GTD as a non-secretor because of symptoms. Sending away for my secretor status next week though. I chose to start the diet as a nonnie rather than secretor to maximize the health benefits sooner in case I am a nonnie. When I run the SWAMI either as a nonnie or secretor I gave the same values :
red meat 3X, poultry 3X, fish 4X, eggs 6 weekly. Compliant grains 1 1/2 cups daily. I am fine with the grains. I wonder if the Explorer type O is more tolerant of grains than say the Hunter or Gatherer type?
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Yesterday was my first grain free day. I am also eliminating all legumes/beans. I am still trying to learn what's going on as my symptoms are crazy and I don't just get little "clues". Granted, when I modified my diet my symptoms got 90% better now it's a matter of fine tuning, hopefully this grain/carb thing will fully clear it up. The grains I just gave up are rice, quinoa and wild rice. Wheat are long gone (but reared it's ugly head this past Christmas).
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Brown rice on a regular basis with no side effects. As a former pasta fiend (no, not Italian as the name might suggest, just an odd addictive craving) brown rice pasta has been a blessing. Dinner tonight: turkey bolognese with manchego cheese. All compliant for me. And my O nonnie wife too!

I would re-write my will for a decent, AB compliant pizza dough recipe without tapioca flour. Anyone???
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I would re-write my will for a decent, AB compliant pizza dough recipe without tapioca flour. Anyone???

Take a gander at this one...
http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/recipedepictor7x.cgi?1007

You can also look at other pizza dough recipes in the recipe database:
http://www.dadamo.com/typebase.....er=abc&header=on

Or search for whatever you would like to by putting the words in the search box here:
http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/recipes.htm


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I do best with less grains.  I am still trying to get past my addiction to them, though,I used to live on carbohydrates.  Didn't realize how bad they were making me feel until I stopped eating so many of them.  Still, like most bad habits, I've fallen off the wagon a few times.  I'll get there!
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Averno, if you are listening.....

Chebe brand makes a wonderful tapioca/manioc pizza crust mix with herbs. You add eggs, grated cheese, oil, milk.  I eat it only occasionally, since it has milk and manioc is a black dot. I think I have used almond milk with good results.
And in the interests of economy,  I think I could figure out how to create the recipe from scratch.




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Brown rice in all of its forms--pasta , flour, crackers-- is fine for me. Quinoa works. Teff flour is OK in baked goods.  

Wheat is poison. Sorghum is not great. Corn is not good. Oats are an avoid for me, but i don't eat them very often.  Millet, seems OK for baking, but I always mix it with other flours and use it in small quantities.  




The sun, with all those planets around it and dependent on it, can still ripen a bunch of grapes as if it had nothing else in the universe to do.

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I am a blood type O, 'Hunter" genotype.  I've had chronic health probs since childhood (esp chronic fatigue, endocrine/hormonal imbalance, poor digestive health), and only in recent years have changed or decreased grain use, whilst I did my own research.  Recently, i've also read info on Gabriel Cousen's site (www.treeoflife.nu, on wheat and grains (very enlightening), and on http://www.marksdailyapple.com) - Mark Sissons??..'primal blueprint'.   I also looked into the Specific carbohydrate diet (www.breakingthevisciouscycle.info) where not even quinoa is recommended is it is a starch.   I am still learning and trying different things... I get confused with different viewpoints.  I eat a little sprouted bread, quinoa, amaranth, millet, buckwheat; but after reading info on marksdailyapple, I may decrease use of those too, as we need more animal protein/fat and fruit/veg.  My favourite is amaranth, and sprouted bread.  It is also easy to sprout the seeds-like grains in glass jars!  I kind of think ancient grains which are not stored too long, are ok for some people; they have valuable nutrients and offer variety to one's diet.  I will have to keep reading and thinking about this issue.  regards.
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Hey Aussie582 Welcome from another Aussie ex NSW'er (currently living in NZ) Stick around & ask questions...A lot of us have looked into the other alternatives & tbh there's nothing like BTD/GTD
No other one size fits all system works, & there is so much guess work still!!  Dr D's approach even has the modification of swami which is needed for a lot of those who are Nonnies*...
Might be worth getting the *non secretor test... as non secretors do not do as well on any grains, as even other O types do...
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I voted for my husband, an A nonnie who does great on spelt, oats and brown rice.  

I didn't vote for myself, but I'm a secretor who does fair on brown rice, great on quinoa or amaranth and
poorly on all gluten grains.


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Just voted for my husband who is Hunter/nonnie. He doesn't do well on much grain. Mostly has a few brown rice cakes with his mackerel for lunch. Not every week, but some evenings will have brown rice (1/2 cup). On weekends he may have 4 slices of bread with his eggs - rye 100%.

I did not vote for myself, I am an 0/Explorer/secretor and do well on amaranth, white jasmine rice, eat a little every day, it's quite variable depending on the day, sometimes 2-3 slice of gluten-free baguette, another day 1 cup of rice. But I find I have to have a bit to feel well. It does not make me put on weight. Makes me feel grounded.
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I, unfortunately, had to relearn the lesson about grains. I originally quit them in February of 2011 and improved. I started back after a few months. I'm off again now since January 2nd, and I intend to keep it that way forever.
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I recommend Dr Loren Cordain's books on Paleo diet too, good insight on grains, beans/legumes,  dairy foods,  white potatoes, sugar etc.
I've given away my supply of quinoa, amaranth, buckwheat, chia seeds from my kitchen.  Rice I've not eaten for about 3 weeks or more, I don't miss it at all.
Veggies, fruits very safe, and mostly fish/seafood, with beef, duck!   Warm broths from beef and poulty bones, so soothing and keeps me satisfied.

'Hunter' slowly getting healthier!!
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Same Aussielady!! But couldn't survive without my chia seeds
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I had some rice cakes for the first time last night in about 2 months and today my workout was great. however, I noticed that my belly is a little bloated this afternoon...

I had a walk to the gym, workout (intense workout) and walk home.

salad with grass fed beef, kale chips and lots of veggies.

so, I feel ok, but kind of tired and 'heavy". Not sure if it the result from the rice cakes last night or too much meat.. however, it was about 6 oz, but i burned at least 700 calories before lunch today. and... no breakfast.

hmm... so, still working on the balance thing;)
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Having recently developed infectious arthritus (one of the many forms of autoimmune disease) I no longer am able to handle eating kamut and spelt which were previously Beneficial grains for me.

Thanks to being able to re-edit my SWAMI choosing only the autoimmune problem, it narrowed my grain choices eliminating those two and I now am on the road to recovery!  SO VERY HAPPY AND THANKFUL for Dr. D'Adamo, his research, and this great tool called SWAMI.  


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I eat spelt or rye bread (both free of ordinary wheat flour), white rice, rice noodles, oat bran, quinoa.  I usually keep portion sizes small.  But white rice is a superfood for me and I might have normal portions of that.

I've not had a secretor test, but I presume my self to be a nonnie.


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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This O nonnie doesn't seem to do well on grains of any sort, including the few beneficial ones.

I do have organic rice cakes for breakfast with almond and chia seed butter. They do not cause me too much grief, but anything else either bloats me or sets up a gnawing dissatisfaction that makes me eat mindlessly. That is especially so if I eat grains (even beneficial ones) in the evening. A small meal of meat and vegetables, however, is completely satisfying, and I rarely find myself looking for something else to eat later in the evening.

I have doubled my vitamin B complex supplements as a result of minimising the grains. And Dr D says somewhere that O's have a greater need for B's (vitamins, that is   )


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Quoted from snazzyshazz
And Dr D says somewhere that O's have a greater need for B's (vitamins, that is   )
Good to know, but the last little bit did make me chuckle  

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I eat spelt bread and cereal without problems. Oat bran seems ok. Eat wheat occasionally and just deal with the after effects. Rice is no problem at all, have found a good rice pasta for occasional spaghetti dinner.
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Quoted from snazzyshazz
This O nonnie doesn't seem to do well on grains of any sort, including the few beneficial ones.

I do have organic rice cakes for breakfast with almond and chia seed butter. They do not cause me too much grief, but anything else either bloats me or sets up a gnawing dissatisfaction that makes me eat mindlessly. That is especially so if I eat grains (even beneficial ones) in the evening. A


This is very similar to my experience.  I have a couple of lightly toasted rice cakes every day with almond butter.  No problem.  But if I eat even my Diamond cooked grains, I get heartburn, bloating and blood sugar swings that make me feel hungry when I'm really not.



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Rice makes me hungry for some reason, but rice/almond bread is very satisfying. Rice cakes I just can't love..... All rice products are superfoods for me. Can't eat spelt, a super food, which I love.


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I happened to have rice last week accidentally cooked into my restaurant lentil soup (rice is a mthrfr kind of avoid for me, not the diamond it is professed to be on my SWAMI.) Since I had given it up for a long time....it reacted with some spicy seasoning that was in another dish, and what resulted after elimination was a painful, crinkly feeling in my intestines as if they had turned into a hair scrunchie for 2 hours..... ; mild IBS! Something I never get with my beans and sweet potatoes, even if some heat is accidentally mixed in.


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