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 Non Secretors: Do you eat grains
Yes, O nonnie (67 votes)
25.77%
No, O nonnie (52 votes)
20.00%
Yes, A nonnie (48 votes)
18.46%
Yes, B/AB nonnie (32 votes)
12.31%
No, A nonnie (28 votes)
10.77%
I'm a secretor but I still want to vote (18 votes)
6.92%
No, B/AB nonnie (15 votes)
5.77%
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I understand it is 'scientifically' a seed, however, why don't you take a look in typebase, do you see quinoa with the 'nut/seed' category?  I don't I see it in the 'grain' category?  Hmmmmmmmmmm......................what do you think that means??? MAYBE THAT IT REACTS IN YOUR BODY LIKE A GRAIN



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Victoria have you been reading the no more obscurity for grains thread? I have posed some questions there


Yes, I have been very interested in that thread.  Brighid gave an interesting and thought-provoking post and your comments have been reall making me wonder about grains.  I don't know of anyone who seems to really thrive on them.  Well, maybe some A friends that I have, but most of them have real weight problems and I think they way overeat the grains.
Maybe our ancient ancestors had grain addictions also.  Why not?  They were human, and as subject to glycemic problems, insulin swings and addictions as we are.

It reminds me of a butterfly bush.  Actually I don't know if this is true, but I have heard that these flowers offer no nutrition to the butterflies, but the insects will flock to them and feed from them, and gradually starve to death.



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hmmmmmmmmm...........interesting, Yes, I agree I don't know anyone who does well on them, a few that get constipated without them, but I feel that that is either a trace mineral deficiency issue or a sign of digestive sluggishness as a result of years of fiber abuse (many former vegetarians have this issue)

I wonder if the same issue exists for beans and roots/tubers? I might start another poll on this



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My first reaction is that beans can be problematic.  In fact Dr. D has said in the cardio book that beans are not great for O's.  And I can't eat them at all.
Root veggies?  I would be very surprised if they are in a category of a non food.  White potatoes, I can see, but some of them are beneficial for many of us and nutrient rich, such as parsnips and sweet potatoes.  Also they provide the complex carbs that we are no longer getting if we stop eating grains.

If I didn't eat root vegetables, I think I would be hungry all the time, and I would become very underweight.  And that constant eating would keep my digestive tract irritated.  Oh, it's frightening to even think about!  



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I can have grains (compliant ones) but at the moment I am limiting myself because I want to loose more weight and hope it helps.
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Quoted from lkpetrolino
I understand it is 'scientifically' a seed, however, why don't you take a look in typebase, do you see quinoa with the 'nut/seed' category?  I don't I see it in the 'grain' category?  Hmmmmmmmmmm......................what do you think that means??? MAYBE THAT IT REACTS IN YOUR BODY LIKE A GRAIN

Actually, I feel it could be in the grain category because it is used as a grain and widely thought of as a grain, so that is where people would tend to look for it.  However, since it is actually a seed, I would think a given individual would react to it as they would to any compliant seed, versus a compliant grain.  I know that I haven't had any negative reaction to it, but then again, I've only had it a few times so far.  I'll let you know how the quinoa tabouli turns out if I ever actually make it, and if I seem to do well on it or what.



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Actually, I feel it could be in the grain category because it is used as a grain and widely thought of as a grain, so that is where people would tend to look for it.  However, since it is actually a seed, I would think a given individual would react to it as they would to any compliant seed, versus a compliant grain.  I know that I haven't had any negative reaction to it, but then again, I've only had it a few times so far.  I'll let you know how the quinoa tabouli turns out if I ever actually make it, and if I seem to do well on it or what.


I've made quinoa tabouleh several times and it is great...except that I react to it just as I do any other grains, although slightly less so, and have been trying to minimize my grain consumption. Basically, eating grains makes me want to eat more grains; the only exception to this is corn flour, but I'm minimizing that one too for a while.


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No grains for me here!  My body cannot handle them at all.  So, I don't even bother anymore and feel great without them, although occasionally I eat too many nuts or fruit when craving something.  I think the main problem that my body cannot handle is digesting the starch.  I get foggy, bloaty, loosy stools, crampy, etc.  Also, my knees hurt, achy, flu=like symptoms, etc.  I may have gluten issues, as my son does, but don't know for sure and have no desire to find out for sure!

No grains or starches are for me.  Breaking the Vicious Cycle by Elaine Gottschall has an interesting theory about starches, or polysaccharides.

My sons eat no grains or starches either...They do very well without.

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P.S.  As Peppermint Twist said, when I have eaten brown rice, it seems I CANNOT stop myself from eating and eating and eating it.  These grains are sooooooo addictive for those who need to get RID of them!
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l'tyrosine....l'tyrosine.....l'tyrosine........you might have lots of lacks here if you feel that much the *need* for starchies.....
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Hey gals!

Great thread!! I will archive it as source for menu-ideas for my nonnies in my practice!! Awesome!!

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[How great it would be to have the willpower to just turn off the crave. I would like, no make that love, some of that myself.  I am an O secretor that is going to have to give up the grain. I have pretty much given it up but for rice. That is forthcoming. Just not an easy task.  If I ever again, say I'm giving it up for good, just ignore me, I'll probably be unintentionally fibbing.        Well, maybe someday I'll reach that grain free status. I know I'll feel better for it.  That's just a "no-grainer". ....  




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I wonder why I don't seem to have as much trouble with grains as the other O nonnies here.  Mom's an A...?  But maybe I'm being comparative.  I can't eat nuts easily--they tend to give me the same reaction some of you cite for grains.  And white rice--let's not even talk about that.  But sprouted grain or brown rice is fine.


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This is interesting Patty Lee, no weight problems, addictive behavior, digestive issue.  Are those the only two grains you eat?  How much do you tend to eat?  Do you eat beans? other starches?



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Oh, I'm not saying no problems!  But having cut out wheat and corn and cut back to occasional manna, occasional brown rice, occasional kamut or rye, I've had less inflammation, more weight loss, and no Irritable Bowel.  I guess I'm saying a small amount of neutral grains (i mean, within the recommendations by Dr D--zero to two per week) doesn't SEEM to do anything bad to me, especially when I'm active.  I'm more sensitive the less active I am, interestingly.

Nuts are a different story, but I have a mild nut allergy to some (see my posts RE oral allergy syndrome), so it's good that a few grains aren't so bad for me!  I eat some beans occasionally (they give me gas, but I like them), lentils (no problem), sweet potatoes (great, filling, but can set off my sweet craving). Sweets are my trouble spot.


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wowwwweeee.................. in PT's defense, I have to say that SHE is not the only one on this forum that has sworn off grains, many times, only to return to them one breath later. ...PT, if you'll help me, I'll help you. Deal?  Heck, if we both swear off grains publicly at least a hundred times, maybe by then, it'll actually stick.  Maybe we'll feel obligated.   Hey whatever works, is good with me.

Actually, I didn't (and Laura didn't say I did) "swear off grains many times only to return to them one breath later".  She said I said I should go off grains, but then "justified" my reasons for not doing so "one breath later".  I chose not to respond directly to her points you quoted from those posts the other day when I read the posts, because of the tone used to make them, however to answer you, Pat, yes, I have been saying recently that I plan to get off grains once my kitchen is done, but there's been no "justifying" my reason for not going off them "one breath later".  I don't feel a need to "justify" anything regarding my current diet, you see.  I have explained my reasons, but not justified them.  What do I have to justify?  That implies that I should feel defensive or something and, sorry to disappoint anyone, but I don't.  I will do what I feel I need to do, when I'm ready to do so.  I won't do what someone else feels I need to do, when they are ready for me to do so.  I accept myself as the imperfect person I am, which has taken me many a moon to do.  I don't have an "all or nothing", "perfection-or-failure" attitude about diet anymore.  I do the best I can with what I have, and I also make my own choices.  I won't be bullied or intimidated by anyone about diet.  Period.  So there is no need to rush to my defense, although I appreciate the sentiment deeply.  I'm fine.  People can say what they want.  I accept myself as I am, even if others wish to judge or say whatever.  I can take it.  And it has taken me a lifetime to get to that point.  Even if I never get to my goal on some scale, I think accepting myself and my own choices and not letting others intimidate me with a judgemental tone is even a more important goal.  And I'm there, thank God.  So, thanks for the impulse to defend me (again, I appreciate that!), but I'm fine and dandy.  I didn't even feel a need to respond to any of that at all.  If I don't like the tone of something, I just don't respond half the time (the other half, I just might *lol*...depends on the time of the month *lol*).


Edited to add:  When I ultimately DO try to go grain-free again like I did once before, in a galaxy far, far away, I just might take you up on your offer to be each other's support system!  I might call you in the middle of the night sometime and say "Pat!  I have a rice cake in my hand and I know how to use it!  I'm armed and dangerous!  Talk me down off the ledge!"

But for now, I'm choosing to eat the dad-blained thaaangs.


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I am sorry I once again did not mean to imply this, or that you do something you didn't want to do or the like. I don't know what else to say, I am sorry.  I hope your quinoa taboli is a success and I would love to hear about it after you have made it



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I am sorry I once again did not mean to imply this, or that you do something you didn't want to do or the like. I don't know what else to say, I am sorry.  I hope your quinoa taboli is a success and I would love to hear about it after you have made it

 Cool.  I will report back post-quinoa tabouli.  If I ever do end up making it, that is.  At this point, I'm wondering if anything is ever going to progress at all with my house, but at least the kitchen has a prayer.  The a/c is another, very surreal story.  Anyway, thanks for your words.  The net is a tricky communication medium/venue.  For example, I have a very sarcastic sense of humor and sometimes, when I'm just kidding around with people, they think I'm meaning something a whole different way.  There are no audible tone cues (so we end up assuming and assigning tone that may not be there)!  No facial expressions.  Bupkus.  It's a very pure, unaffected medium on the one hand, but also a very clueless, dry medium on the other.  In other words:  we're cool, no worries, mate.




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I have problems with just about any grain or legume, refined flour or starch. I do wonder if my mom is an O nonnie. As I've said before (and it makes my twinnie PT laugh when I say it! ), I'm a nonnie in everything but secretor status. Fresh vegetables and fruits, lean red meat and fish, eggs, some poultry (mainly turkey), mineral water and beneficial juices, rooibos tea, beneficial nuts and a few dried fruits, and chocolate. That's it. NO grains/legumes, little or no dairy (I do use plain butter some of the time--usually when I run out of ghee and don't have time to make more), little or no sweeteners. If I step off this path even for a day, my health suffers.

Through experimentation I've found that of the refined compliant flours, brown rice flour is the one least likely to set off blood sugar spikes and cravings, followed by quinoa and millet. But having said that, even those flours cause problems so they are infrequent-use items for me now. Everything else makes me sick if I use it more than infrequently.

At this point, I am no longer baking on a regular basis. And truth be told, now I don't even really like baked goods--two minutes of enjoyment, two days of paying for that two minutes. Definitely not worth it! My body might crave goodies, but my head doesn't want them because they are dead foods. (Does that make me a deadhead? *lol*!!) I want live fresh vegetables and fruits instead. I don't even want pretzels or potato chips that much any more. I want the IDEA of them more than the actual eating of them--you know? Old habits and all that. I'm slowly conquering those habits, but it's taking time. Still, progress is progress.

If I could just excise my damn addiction to grain starch--remove it completely . . . *quiet sigh* Life lessons can be tough at times.


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I am the same, I'm a weird case, an A, both parents A's but there had to be some powerful O nonnie somewhere in my lineage.  Grains/Starches don't cause cravings just extreme pain.  I know in myself and I believe in most other people these adverse reactions and cravings for starches in general is caused by extreme intestinal yeast.  It is a fight, everyday, so exhausting.

PT, ditto on the sarcasim issue, I think that is my problem and I too often write like I would talk, in person these comments would be laughed at, on-line they seem offensive, lesson to work on



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I have problems with just about any grain or legume, refined flour or starch. I do wonder if my mom is an O nonnie. As I've said before (and it makes my twinnie PT laugh when I say it! ), I'm a nonnie in everything but secretor status.


Sounds like me. I've said more than once that I wonder if my secretor test was right.



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PT, ditto on the sarcasim issue, I think that is my problem and I too often write like I would talk, in person these comments would be laughed at, on-line they seem offensive, lesson to work on

(((((hug)))))))  I've been misunderstood on the net more times than I can count.  And, apparently, I've misunderstood others.  It (the net) is a tricky, sticky wicket all right.  I love it, but sometimes I don't pay enough mind to that.  I think, from now on, if I don't know how to take something said on the net, I'm going to assume the BEST.  I mean, why not?  Even if someone meant something mean, that way, I'll be blissfully ignorant of that fact *lol*.  And if they did mean whatever it was in the best way possible, then I will have taken it correctly.





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As I've said before (and it makes my twinnie PT laugh when I say it! ), I'm a nonnie in everything but secretor status.

Brig, re you being a nonnie in every way but secretor status (lol again), do you think it is possible that you had some sort of tiny cut in your mouth the day you did your saliva test?  Or that your gums were bleeding?  Perhaps a rogue ABO antigen found its way into your saliva, seriously.  Not bloody likely (literally), but is it theoretically possible?  Could it be worth it to do the secretor test again?  Because taking your whole profile into consideration, you do exude nonnieness from every pore of your body.  I say blow another $50 or whatever the secretor test is up to these days.  What the heck, you are made of money, right (not)?





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I just voted "no."  I haven't eaten grains in almost a week, as I'm doing what I can to control Candida.  I've heard it suggested to not eat grains for 6 weeks while doing the Yeast/Fungus Protocol.  But I feel so much more energetic without the grains.  They seem like they'd be a waste of time, even after this six weeks is up.  I really do think that it was the Candida calling the grains, not true O nonnie self.  
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I just voted "no."  I haven't eaten grains in almost a week, as I'm doing what I can to control Candida.  I've heard it suggested to not eat grains for 6 weeks while doing the Yeast/Fungus Protocol.  But I feel so much more energetic without the grains.

That was exactly my experience, too, the one time I went without grains several years ago:  much more energy and vitality, even more than just being on the BTD prior to that but still eating grains had blessed me with.
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I really do think that it was the Candida calling the grains, not true O nonnie self.

That is a very profound quote.  Into my "signature" line it goes!


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