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Patty Lee
Thursday, April 13, 2006, 4:20pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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I wonder if anyone would be willing to share their healthy weight loss successes and tips on this thread.  I initially lost weight on the BTD, and mostly have plateaued around that weight, but am certainly at least 15 (if not 25) pounds over my optimum some 2 years after starting the BTD (although I was rather loosey-goosey with it for a while, and didn't do frequencies).  I know there are others who are struggling even more with their health and weight who might be interested.

So:  what's worked for you?  Was it BTD-related?  And what got you past your plateaus?


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Patty Lee,

  I was approximately 30 pounds overweight, until BTD.  Before BTD, I tried EVERYTHING, including exercising at the gym every day for over an hour.  Strenuous exercise, eating next to nothing, etc., didn't do a thing for my weight loss plateau.  I was afraid that something was seriuosly wrong with me.  Then, in February, I started BTD.  The weight started falling off.  I'm now only 8 pounds away from my goal.  These days, it seems like I lose about 3 pounds a week, with little effort.  I still exercise almost every day, but not to the extent that I was before.   For me, just cutting out all wheat, and "avoid" grains seemed to do the trick.  I guess I'm eating way more veggies, too, just to fill me up.  ...Oh, and cutting out coffee was a biggie.  If I drink coffee, I tend to crave a dessert type thing to go with it.  No coffee, means no wheat or sugar - for me.  
  Are you cutting out all avoid grains?  The thing I found, was that corn/corn products are in almost everything.  So, when I thought I was being "good", I was, in reality, eating a lot of corn/products.   Check to make sure that you are really avoiding all grain avoids.  Also, sweeteners.  

  Good luck!  I really haven't found anything better than the BTD diet - for me.  I would never do anything else!  
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great results!! congratulations!

your testimonial will help many become more compliant, thanks! )


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Patty Lee
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Are you keeping to the frequencies, Megm, or just avoiding avoids strictly?


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Patty Lee,

  I'm just avoiding the avoids - especially the grains, sugars, and dairy.  I've never really paid attention to the frequencies, though, because just avoiding the avoids and getting in as many bennies as possible, is hard enough.  

  Like I said before - I found corn or corn products in almost everything that I pick up.  I now make things from scratch and read every label!  

 
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Patty Lee,

I have had similar experiences as Megm. I stay away from avoids and limit as much as possible the neutrals and stick to the beneficials. I have lost of total of 40 pounds and probably have another 15 to loose. I found that things have slowed a little but when I increase my activities I noticed the weight is starting to come off again.

Do you exercise? If not, you may want to add brisk walking to start but start out slow and increase the time you walk and the pace you walk.


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Patty Lee
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I do exercise, but it falls out of the mix when I'm stressed.  I know others have expressed their frustration even more than me about plateauing.  So I thought I'd gather as many tips as possible.  Are you,Missy, as conscientious about avoiding corn?  What avoids might make it into your diet?


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Are you,Missy, as conscientious about avoiding corn?  What avoids might make it into your diet?
No corn in my diet. If I introduce an avoid it would be something in the line of dairy. For example, soft ice cream. This is done rarely as I suffer in more ways than just weight concerns.

I truly do stay away from avoids the majority of the time. I'm not a saint. I have found if I eliminate some neutrals the weight begins to come off again.



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I have lost 22 lbs in the first 6 months, although most of the weight came off very early on. If I ever wish to sabotage my efforts I simply dig into my favourite Ezekial toast, almond butter, and banana sandwich, I think it is the banana that is doing me in!


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Patty Lee
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I may be being done in by bananas as well, among other things.


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Well being A I don't know if this will help. I have lost 75 pounds in 5 months but have been at a plateau for the last 7 weeks (see my thread in the Eat right section).
Everbody keeps telling me I should cut down on the grains, so that is what I am going to do. Will keep you posted if that indeed helps.
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What if we cut out nuts? Has anybody cut out nuts and lost weight?


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A lot of nuts = a lot of fats.  A little nuts can keep us satisfied and away from a lot of starchy snacks, but a lot of nuts can pack the pounds on!  



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I found just following the diet didn't cause weight loss for me, but when I started using the NAPH Deflect product, I started losing.  It repairs the intestinal tract by attacting lectins that may be adhering to the tissue., also provides sacrificial molecules so the lectins are attracted to it rather than you.  This is one supplement I doubt if I ever quit.  Take care.  CB


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Thanks CB,

How many Deflect are you taking daily and at which time?
Are you taking it sonce a long time and do you plan to take it constantly

Thanks

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I take 2 before meals.  I'm also doing the Intrinsa product for intestinal repair but I've been doing it for a short time.  The Deflect I've been on for 4 or 5 years.  I knew within 24 hrs it was doing something for me.  Doc D talks about the ingredients  in (I think), Live Right.  The Intrinsa was added after a visit to him April 5th.  Take care.  CB


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I really didn't need to tose any weight.  I started the btd because of allergies.  I have now lose 8 pounds and I still eat a ton.  I can't believe I can still eat like i do and still lose weight.  crazy.  I just avoid the avoids.  I've been at the same weight for years.  Since november i've lost the 8 pounds and i'm still losing.  
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So how are the allergies going?  How long have you had allergies?  Airborne?   CB.


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I wonder if anyone would be willing to share their healthy weight loss successes and tips on this thread.  I initially lost weight on the BTD, and mostly have plateaued around that weight, but am certainly at least 15 (if not 25) pounds over my optimum some 2 years after starting the BTD (although I was rather loosey-goosey with it for a while, and didn't do frequencies).  I know there are others who are struggling even more with their health and weight who might be interested.

So:  what's worked for you?  Was it BTD-related?  And what got you past your plateaus?

Hi, Patty Lee.

I have to say as an O non-secretor who has been on the BTD since 1997 with one eight-month exception, I think--just mho--that Type O non-secretors have the hardest time losing weight of all the types.  I could be wrong on that, but that is my opinion.  While I have been down to virtually my goal once and then this past June to within ten pounds, I struggle with this mightily.  I'm currently at a high weight and very frustrated about it.  However, I know what to do.  I just have a hard time doing it all to the ideal consistently, and that is the thing about being an O non-secretor who struggles with weight loss/management:  you basically have to do the ideal diet all the time, or the vast majority of the time.  And if you are addicted to starch, basically, like I am, you are gonna have one tough row to hoe, let me tell ya.

So, why not chuck the BTD and do something else?  I'll tell you why for me anyway:  Even though this road is hard it is the best road there is.  It reminds me of that quote "Democracy is the worst system of government in the world, except for all the other systems".  It is being a Type O nonnie with grain sensitivities that makes weight loss hard in this society, NOT the BTD.  The BTD is the only thing standing between me and being probably at least 300 lbs by now.  So even though I struggle to get to and stay at the ideal, even with the BTD, trying to go it without the BTD would be unimaginable to me at this point.  And if I were to follow it better in the ways that I don't, I'd be slimmer, and I know this because when I do follow it better in those ways than I am in recent times, I have indeed been slimmer.

Here's what I should do that I don't do:

1.  Eliminate grains.  (    )
2.  Replace them with fruits and veggies.
3.  Exercise at least 1 hour per day.

Ya do that, the weight goes away.  However...gosh but those three little items are difficil.

Short of being consistently ideal with our diets/exercise program, which is hard for anyone to do--dat's why they call it "ideal"--we have to accept and be patient with the fact that weight is an issue for many O nons, period and the end.  For me, it is something I will always be challenged by, I'll always have to try a little harder on this front than some other blood types, just as some other blood types will have to try harder than I do on different fronts that are a breeze for me.  For example, as long as I follow my diet at a very doable, realistic level, heart health and blood pressure and all that good jazz seems to be a breeze for me (although I shall be getting bloodwork for the first time in several years soon, so maybe I should withhood that little statement *lol*...but last time I had bloodwork I was two or three years into the BTD and it was a thing of beauty).

It's like the old Avis Car Rental ad, we just have to "try harder".  That is all we can do.  This is the hand we were dealt.

As far as concrete advice, again, do what I say, not what I do *lol*:

No grains, more fruit and veg, excercise daily for an hour.

Seems like I should be able to do that tiny sentence consistently.  And yet...



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I have lost 22 lbs in the first 6 months, although most of the weight came off very early on. If I ever wish to sabotage my efforts I simply dig into my favourite Ezekial toast, almond butter, and banana sandwich, I think it is the banana that is doing me in!

Oh, I don't, Howard.  I think it is the Ezekial toast because have you read the ingredients on the brand you buy?  If there is ANY unsprouted wheat in there, fuggedabout it.  Also, just my opinion, but if it has "sprouted lentils", this could be a prob because sprouting does not necessarily render the lentil lectin harmless as it does the wheat lectin.  In short, there is ezekiel bread and there is ezekiel bread, it depends on the brand whether it is beneficial or a downright major avoid, imho.  Basically you want a sprouted wheat bread with no unsprouted wheat/flour ingredients and no "sprouted lentils" like some brands have.  But as for that nonnie-beneficial banana, I proclaim its probably innocence throughout the cyberland!  It has been wrongly accused *lol*!



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I found just following the diet didn't cause weight loss for me, but when I started using the NAPH Deflect product, I started losing.  It repairs the intestinal tract by attacting lectins that may be adhering to the tissue., also provides sacrificial molecules so the lectins are attracted to it rather than you.  This is one supplement I doubt if I ever quit.  Take care.  CB

Interesting!



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I agree with Peppy.  I don't think that fruits and vegetables cause weight problems for type O's.

Grains, on the other hand, even sprouted ones, can make the weight stick if you have a tendency to hold excess weight in your body.



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Yep - fruits and veggies are our friends as O's - with a side of protien.  Grains are our biggest problems - but we'd rather give up the nutrient dense fruits espeically before letting go of our grains sometimes.  Myself included - us O's just need to step away from the grains and pick up our benneficial fruits and veggies much more often.  I think that's the biggest downfall of the low carb craze - it made so many people think that fruit was an enemy to them when it's one of the best things for them.  


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I mentioned the banana because of its relatively high glycemic index.  I worry that I eat too many fruits--that is, I worry that I tend more to the sugar. I would eat fruit all day if I could.  But maybe it is the grain.  I wish it were easier (and cheaper) to eat all good meats and veggies, with occasional fruit....then I could really test both my & Pepp's theory.  Indeed, grains are always easier for chowing, but I could do without them, or at least go with the low end of the recommendations.  It's hard:  my partner is an A, and while he isn't on the BTD, he tends toward the A diet, and is very happy with more frequent whole-grain pasta dinners than I am.

Exercise is of course essential, and after looking at the exercise threads, I see that I'm lacking more than I even realized.   I agree that it has to be with the BTD, though, PT, because I started the BTD after months of heavy heavy exercise and no weight loss (plus high cholesterol).  I was SO frustrated!  They wanted to put me on cholesterol-lowering drugs even though  I had no signs of heart disease and I was, at the time, 34.  I said NO WAY--give me a chance to try some dietary changes (they gave me the South Beach Diet; but then I stumbled onto the BTD and it rang many many bells).  Even though I still struggle with weight, I remain 15 pounds lighter than that former time (and my cholesterol is still lower, though probably still not ideal).  I have low blood pressure, a slow pulse, and my basal temp tends to run cool; no clinical evidence of hypothyroid, but clearly the furnace ain't burning hot.

PT, do you avoid that Manna bread, too?  It's listed as a beneficial--it's only sprouted rye and water (maybe some salt)--I just discovered that our coop now has it.  It fills me up for HOURS, and doesn't start a grain binge.


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...I have low blood pressure, a slow pulse, and my basal temp tends to run cool; no clinical evidence of hypothyroid, but clearly the furnace ain't burning hot.

My temp runs cool, too, and I don't think it did when I was a kid...but who can remember?  I think it used to run normal, though, 98.6.  Nowadays, it is always 96.8 and I ask, are ya sure, are ya sure you didn't flip around the 8 and the 6, but no, indeed I am 96.8.  I just do wonder if this indicates a hypothyroid situation, what with my WEIGHT and all.  I am getting bloodwork soon, hopefully that will come out normal, thyroid-wise, although my understanding is that you can't really discern much from standard bloodwork.  The other thing is, like you just said you have, I have low BP, or the bottom # is low, imho, anyway.  I mean, 64, 66 and 66 lately (I've had it taken a lot lately, due to going to more doctors in the past month than I have in the past decade *lol*, plus getting my temp taken at work the day the vertigo started).  NunuDoc's nurse says the 66 is "wonderful", so I'm running with that, but I do wonder about my thyroid...didn't know low BP was a possible indicator.  The temperature thing I knew, though.  Dang, I mean, in a way it would be a relief to have something to BLAME for the weight situation, but on the other hand, I come down on the side of wanting my thyroid function to be just fine and dandy.  I'd rather have to work harder on the weight loss and NOT take thyroid medication.  Hormones freak me out, maaaahn.  I mean, when humankind dispenses them, that is.  When nature/God puts 'em into my system, I don't fret, but when people in white lab coats start telling me to ingest 'em, I have historically run in the other direction and ended up glad of it.  Example:  years ago, didn't get my period for months on end (viva la high carb, vegetarian diet!  wu HU).  The doctor at the glorious (NOT) HMO clinic said:  Go on "Provera".  I said "Hell no."  I had read in "Our Bodies/Ourselves" how scary THAT drug is.  No thank you, ma'am.  God bless "Our Bodies/Ourselves", that book is an empowering lifechanger...but I digress.  Anyway, continued to have irregular period spacing now and then until the BTD.  Since the BTD, I'm as regular as the train schedule under a dictatorship, baby, or close enough.
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PT, do you avoid that Manna bread, too?  It's listed as a beneficial--it's only sprouted rye and water (maybe some salt)--I just discovered that our coop now has it.  It fills me up for HOURS, and doesn't start a grain binge.

I think that is the best of the bread choices, go for it if you want bread!  They don't have it at my HFS.  I guess it would take up too much room that otherwise goes to the chip and chocolate aisle.


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