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mikendomsmum
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Which one costs less?  Which has the richest flavor and is more satisfying?  


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Sounds like it's a toss up for Mike and Victoria as well.  I haven't tried the Goat Milk ice cream, but I guess I must at least try it, so can't really comment as to the flavor comparison.  The Straus Vanilla bean is really good and I like that it is such a simple product.  I'm a person that uses the allowed dairy servings anyway, but usually in the form of yogurt, goat yogurt if I can find it.  I'm luckily not an ice cream lover, but do get a taste for it every so often, usually in warm weather.  One good thing about both of these is that they only come in one pint packages, and they are both expensive enough that I'd never overeat on them too much.


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This brings up a question for secretors....

Does it matter that goat milk is a neutral for secretors and cow's milk is an avoid?  That is, if I'm going to screw up, should I screw up toward the goat milk?  (I tend to work on this method when cheese is tempting...I go for mozzarella rather than cheddar if the choice is available).

Or does it not matter at all?

As for the ice cream choice, man o man, Cheryl, I'd go for the cow, just 'cause it's probably tastier! But yes, as Victoria suggests, maybe alternate.  If you think about the proportion of avoids to neutrals, I suspect the goat milk one is better for you.  Unless you're very very sensitive to gums.


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Frozen banana put through the Champion Juicer is very nice as ice cream.  I put a minimum of two through at a time.  Also, you can use the Champion Juicer recipe book  to make other ice cream like concoctions.  As long as you eat it fresh from the juicer, the banana has the consistency of ice cream.  

You may be able to find an ice cream maker at a yard sale to experiment with you own compliant recipes.
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Quoted from plhartless
This brings up a question for secretors....

Does it matter that goat milk is a neutral for secretors and cow's milk is an avoid?  That is, if I'm going to screw up, should I screw up toward the goat milk?  (I tend to work on this method when cheese is tempting...I go for mozzarella rather than cheddar if the choice is available).

Or does it not matter at all?

As for the ice cream choice, man o man, Cheryl, I'd go for the cow, just 'cause it's probably tastier! But yes, as Victoria suggests, maybe alternate.  If you think about the proportion of avoids to neutrals, I suspect the goat milk one is better for you.  Unless you're very very sensitive to gums.


I don't know that nonnies can take any guidance from the variations for secretors, but I think if I were an O nonnie and going to cheat I probably would favor the goat products and the neutral cheeses such as mozarella, farmer's and goat cheese.  Those cheeses are at least neutral for everyone except O nonnies.  I do not envy you there.  Good point about the quantity of avoids, and I don't have obvious issues with the guars and carrageenan. But you're right that cow's milk ice cream I've found is delicious and probably as close as homemade as you'll get with no junk in it.  I've seen a simple recipe for making vanilla sauce that uses ice cream and an egg yolk.  I'm a sucker for any chocolate thing in a pool of vanilla sauce with a little rasperry swirled in.



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Frozen banana put through the Champion Juicer is very nice as ice cream.  I put a minimum of two through at a time.  Also, you can use the Champion Juicer recipe book  to make other ice cream like concoctions.  As long as you eat it fresh from the juicer, the banana has the consistency of ice cream.  

You may be able to find an ice cream maker at a yard sale to experiment with you own compliant recipes.


Here's a recipe for a banana frozen treat that just uses a blender, don't recall where I found it.:

Cocoa-Banana Frozen Dessert

The flavors in this simple dessert remind us of beach fare – frozen bananas on a stick coated with chocolate. This is a healthier version that you can whip up in no time at all. It contains no added sugar or dairy and is very versatile. Improvise by adding different flavors. Make this a few hours before you plan to serve - it's best when just frozen. Any leftovers will keep for a couple of weeks in the freezer.


4 very ripe bananas
2 tablespoons pure unsweetened cocoa powder
1 teaspoon pure vanilla extract
2 tablespoons real maple syrup

1. Peel the bananas and place in a blender or food processor along with the cocoa powder.

2. Add the vanilla extract and the maple syrup.

3. Blend till very smooth. Pour into individual custard cups or small bowls and freeze until just frozen.


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I find the plain banana tastes best with nothing added!  The difference between the blender and the Champion is that the Champion Juicer makes a "soft ice cream" texture.  It is wonderful!  Freezing after processing makes something that is too hard.  
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Yes, I'm not sure that I'd even like all the added sweetness from the maple syrup.  I would just find it hard to justify buying an avoid enabler like an ice cream machine.  I don't even think cold foods are very good for me. I also test out as a Kapha in Ayurveda.  They are recommended to eat mainly hot food. It's rare that I get a craving for something like ice cream, but it does happen.  The most compliant frozen treat I keep is Ciao Bella mango sorbet, nothing but mango and sugar.  I'd probably like it just as well without the added sugar though.


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Yeah - I haven't tried frozen mango, but that'll be next!  I'm sure it'll have a similar consistency as banana since they are in the same family.  We've been getting mangos for 50 cents each.  Stocking up to make dried mango (dehydrator).
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Quoted from plhartless
This brings up a question for secretors....

Does it matter that goat milk is a neutral for secretors and cow's milk is an avoid?  That is, if I'm going to screw up, should I screw up toward the goat milk?  (I tend to work on this method when cheese is tempting...I go for mozzarella rather than cheddar if the choice is available).

Or does it not matter at all?



Patty,
In LR4YT, cow's milk is a Tier 1 Avoid for nonnies, which is the worst offending avoids.
Goats milk is a Tier 2 avoid for nonnies, which, if you are in good health and not dealing with weight problems or advanced age, can be treated with more flexibility.
Nonnies are encouraged to follow both tiers, however, the fact that it is listed in Tier 2 makes me believe that it is less harmful for you.



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Quoted from Victoria
In LR4YT, cow's milk is a Tier 1 Avoid for nonnies, which is the worst offending avoids.
Goats milk is a Tier 2 avoid for nonnies, which, if you are in good health and not dealing with weight problems or advanced age, can be treated with more flexibility.
Nonnies are encouraged to follow both tiers, however, the fact that it is listed in Tier 2 makes me believe that it is less harmful for you.


The Tier groupings in LR4YT do not apply to the nonnie foods and mean nothing for nonnies. Nonnies just use the food values and ignore the groupings entirely.


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Hey, if I was on a wonderful vacation for 3 weeks, I would just eat whatever I wanted and whatever appealed to me until I was home.  Years down the road, I would look back on that trip and never once say, "gosh, it was a wonderful trip, but I sure wish I hadn't eaten the pork".  The reality for me is that food is part of the celebration, and unless my health was very bad, I wouldn't concern myself with it for that time period.  I also assume that I wouldn't have to make that choice at every meal.



That is fortunate for you!  I gained 10 pounds on my last vacation and felt so miserable it almost ruined my vacation!  Avoids are avoids, I would eat small amounts of the neutral grain and then find my way to a local market or starve.


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There are timeshares/condos for rent that have furnished kitchens for those of us who need to eat well no matter where we are.  Search it on the net!


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I've had the goat milk ice cream.  It's different. And expensive.


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There are timeshares/condos for rent that have furnished kitchens for those of us who need to eat well no matter where we are.  Search it on the net!


We do a little of both.  We usually get a condo just because of the kitchen and dining area.  I love to cook and it's fun to prepare the local foods.  We love Hawaii and we'll eat fish every night for dinner there, whatever the catch of the day is.  We also stock a bar and make coconut drinks for sitting on the lanai with.  A combo of healthy and unhealthy but all fun.  I don't believe in limiting myself 100% of the time to certain foods.  Balance is the key, I believe.  
Of course if I had an illness I'd do it differently and if by any chance I get cancer or something else, I'd follow the strictest diet to help myself get better.  But if I had an illness it's unlikely I'd be on vacation yupping it up.


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