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Patty Lee
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I would have done a poll, but this is really probably more of an O-non thing--maybe other nonnies with higher protein quotas than their secreting counterparts.

If faced with a meal consistently made of a compliant grain or a meal made constistently of an avoid protein (like a particular fish, or pork), which would you choose?  Which should you choose?  I've been in this situation &  find it difficult, especially since I've seen no clear negative reactions from non-compliant meats.

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My first thought is, how frequently are you talking about?

Rarely?
Often?
Daily?

If daily, I would bring my own meat!



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Personally, I'd choose a neutral over an avoid any day.

Just because it's "protein, and O's do better on protein" doesn't mean that negates the problems you will have later down the road eating an avoid.



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Patty Lee
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Let's say: vacationing in another country for 3 weeks.  Because that's what started this question in my head!


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I'd probably:
#1  see if I could get the cooks to accommodate my needs
#2  if a restaurant, try and find another restaurant that would accommodate my needs
#3  find a place that I could buy canned salmon or other canned meat or a deli with pre-cooked compliant meat and I would carry my own meat to the table.
#4  pick at the food at the table.  Eat what was compliant and get myself something to eat after the "meal" was over.

It all depends on your own level of compliance.  For the sake of my health, I don't eat avoids because it would be seriously very bad for me.  But I would do just as badly on a high carb diet for a few weeks.
I would do everything within my ability to meet my own nutrutional needs.



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I'd go for the compliant grain and just eat small portions of rice.  After the meal I'd find a spear and go running off into the wilds to spear my own fish and hunt down and kill my own wild beasts.  Then I'd make a fire and cook my spoils and feast to my heart's content


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Hmm . . . this is a toughie. I'd say it all depends on how you react to neutral grains. If you think you can handle eating them for three weeks, then go for the grains and stay away from the avoid protein. You might also get some Deflect-O to take with you as extra protection, so to speak.

I've been faced with this choice upon occasion because my system is nonnie-like in its sensitivity to grains and legumes. If the grain was something I knew I could do without too much damage, like rice, then I ate the rice. Quinoa, amaranth, millet--ditto. Anything resembling wheat--no way.


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Hey, if I was on a wonderful vacation for 3 weeks, I would just eat whatever I wanted and whatever appealed to me until I was home.  Years down the road, I would look back on that trip and never once say, "gosh, it was a wonderful trip, but I sure wish I hadn't eaten the pork".  The reality for me is that food is part of the celebration, and unless my health was very bad, I wouldn't concern myself with it for that time period.  I also assume that I wouldn't have to make that choice at every meal.


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I had this dilemma when I went to Italy recently.  My good intentions went right down the toilet.  The only Avoid that I managed successfully to Avoid was coffee and also pork.  Aside from that, I was eating bread EVERY DAY, I ate pasta.  And I would have eaten pizza but I was too stuffed from all the bread and pasta that day!!  I actually felt like c**p after just a couple of days of that.  My main concern however was gaining weight.  I'm obsessed with staying slim.  To my shock I LOST 3 lbs or more from eating all of that cr*p.  Would I do it again?  No.  I could really feel my health deteroriating with every bite I took.  The only saviors were the lamb and rabbit I ate.  


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I did it in Las Vegas.  The Wynn Brunch Buffet with Champagne was too good to avoid.  I ate mostly good stuff, roast beef, sushi, oh gosh, I can't even remember.  I had 3 glasses of champagne and then hit the dessert bar and had COFFEE.  It was fantastic. I got right back on track when I got home.  I was there for 3 nights and ate mostly compliant food so I didn't feel too bad.  Just a little tired.


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Oh, sorry, forgot to answer the question.  I'd take the compliant grains.  
I'm vacationing for about 3 weeks this summer.  Luckily, I'll be going to New Zealand and I can't wait to eat all that fresh lamb, my favorite.  Then we're off to Tahiti and I don't know what we'll be eating there.  Hopefully, a lot of fish and local veggies.  How bad is a coconut every now and then?  Some rum?  


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Especially seeing that you're a nonnie, I'd probably go for the avoid protein, but it's hard to imagine a place without chicken or turkey or some other at least neutral protein choice.  This comes into play for me mostly in situations with a fixed menu, such as a conference with meals included.  I really hate those and the meals are not usually optional.  Let us know where you're going.  Maybe someone has been there and can give you some options.  You could also carry some canned fish and jerky with you and use either the Unibars or the protein powder.  I buy the single serving packets of the protein powder for travel.


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For me, the trouble was staying with people and not having access to the grocery...and not really wanting to cause a fuss.

My vote, incidentally, is a mix of compliant grain and avoid protein.


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That is a tough one.  I would also probably not want to make much of a fuss, but now that I've been eating cleaner, I really notice the difference when I'm eating avoids.  I would probably try to take a few servings of quality protein with me.


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New variant: Would you all eat cod if it was deep-fried and battered--after making a good attempt to pick off the batter?  Eat the mushy peas, avoid the chips?  (I was in the UK:  can you tell?)


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Back on first question I'd go avoid protien in a heartbeat, I think it all depends on what you know you are most sensetive to



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Especially seeing that you're a nonnie, I'd probably go for the avoid protein, but it's hard to imagine a place without chicken or turkey or some other at least neutral protein choice. †This comes into play for me mostly in situations with a fixed menu, such as a conference with meals included. †I really hate those and the meals are not usually optional. †Let us know where you're going. †Maybe someone has been there and can give you some options. †You could also carry some canned fish and jerky with you and use either the Unibars or the protein powder. †I buy the single serving packets of the protein powder for travel.


Conferences are the worse for me.  I want to attend the lunch or dinner because of the program but they the only choice you get if you donít want the selection, which is chicken 70% of the time (Major NO NO for a B like me) is a vegetarian meal that has pasta and tomatoes in it.  Overseas plane rides are even worse.  At least at a convention I can sneak out eventually and find something to munch on.  Keeping things in my purse like UNI bars or nuts help stave off the hunger.  If the only choice was an avoid protein vs. grain, Iíd choose the grain, but that works for my system.  You know what bothers you more.


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Quoted from plhartless
New variant: Would you all eat cod if it was deep-fried and battered--after making a good attempt to pick off the batter?  Eat the mushy peas, avoid the chips?  (I was in the UK:  can you tell?)


That would be a Yes for me!  



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That would be a Yes for me! †


Me, too!


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If you're trying to be nice to the people you're staying with, then (in addition to not making a fuss) you'll presumably want to avoid making a fool of yourself.

Once a month, our local vegetarian group has a pitch-in dinner.  The first three meetings after I started the BTD, I was able to pick & choose, and stayed reasonably compliant.  The next couple of meetings, absolutely everything (except what I had brought) had at least one Avoid in it, so I said what the heck, and had some of everything, with no major ill-effects.

Last month, I figured I could once more eat some of everything, so I did, and about an hour later, I began to feel so sleepy that I finally rested my head on Hubby's shoulder.  Then somebody told a joke -- not a terribly funny joke, in retrospect -- and I got a major case of the giggles, to the point where I ended up with my head in Hubby's lap, unable to stop giggling.  It was like being drunk or stoned.  Fortunately, it wore off within half an hour or so.  Fortunately, I was with friends.  But still ....

I'm trying to figure out just what it was that had that effect on me, so that in the future, I can avoid it like the proverbial plague when I'm in polite society.  My best guesses would be the whole-wheat pitas or the hummus (or perhaps the who-knows-what in the chili).

But my point is, you probably have a pretty good idea of which foods have what sort of effect on you (or at least, you're in the process of finding out).  So you may want to take behavorial considerations into account when you're deciding what to eat and what to avoid.


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Quoted from plhartless
New variant: Would you all eat cod if it was deep-fried and battered--after making a good attempt to pick off the batter? †Eat the mushy peas, avoid the chips? †(I was in the UK: †can you tell?)


I did the KFC buffet taking the skin/breading off my chicken a couple times. Crude to be sure, an emergency thing only. Even the little bits of the 11 herbs and spices that I got were felt and regretted. Lesson learned.

On the other hand, eating the neutrals without meat is okay for a day or two. Over a three week stretch I would eat pork if I had to in order to get the protien. Thing is, you should be able to get some form of neutral protien most places.
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Quoted from plhartless
New variant: Would you all eat cod if it was deep-fried and battered--after making a good attempt to pick off the batter?  Eat the mushy peas, avoid the chips?  (I was in the UK:  can you tell?)


I'm bad.  I'd just eat it, batter and all.

I LOVE batter-fried fish.





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Yeah, you cant' really do much with that meal.  Eat it.


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I had this dilemma when I went to Italy recently.  My good intentions went right down the toilet.    Aside from that, I was eating bread EVERY DAY, I ate pasta.  And I would have eaten pizza but I was too stuffed from all the bread and pasta that day!!  I actually felt like c**p after just a couple of days of that. .  I could really feel my health deteroriating with every bite I took.  .  


This will be me when I make my trip to Italy. My "fix" will be to be as compliant as I can be before I go. I know once I get there, I'll just be able to kiss the compliancy goodbye to a certain degree. I don't think I'll indulge in pork, but the bread, oh yes!!  As E/P said, it's vacation, I'm going to enjoy myself and "die" later. I also know that at some point I'll back off. After being really compliant, any avoid I eat really gets to me. I'd get right back on the wagon when I got home --- really what choice would I have --- I'd feel like total cr** after eating all those avoids. Oh and a big bottle or 2 (ha) of Deflect.
To answer the original ?, I'd do the half and half thing as well.
KFC I totally avoid. Wound up in the ER the last 2 times I ate there. All I can figure it that I'm terribly allergic to something they use. No need to find out what or test it again. It's been 10 yrs probably since I've eaten there.



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Just a thought.
I notice a general trend on the forum that the secretors seem to be more comfortable being lax at times (For example, vacations) than the non-secretors.  I believe that non-sec. are more severely impacted by eating avoids.  For some of us, it can have very long lasting negative impact, and at times can have serious consequences.
That's why I would Always! pick off the crust from deep fried fish, even though I Love! deep fried cod, and I can't stand it otherwise.  Health tastes better to me than that delectable crust!



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