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Victoria
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MoDon, do you know the function of Intestinal alkaline phosphatase?  (If so, would you share it?)



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MoDon, do you know the function of Intestinal alkaline phosphatase?  (If so, would you share it?)


Not MoDon; I believe it helps to break down fats.  It's turned on by the presence of protein.


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Victoria
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Perhaps that's why nonnies seem to need more servings of protein than secretors.  ??
And I think also I've heard that nonnies don't handle fat as well as seccies, and we have to watch our portions.
Thanks, KK.



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IAP also helps in the absorption of calcium. So a type O diet high in protein, which stimulates IAP release, actually helps us absorb the calcium in our diet.


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JK
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Hey all you nonnies! Can I join too?? I eat like a nonnie and when I try to eat more like a secretor, I can't tolerate it. And I have a filling in just about every tooth in my head... seven more mercury fillings to be replaced as soon as I get insurance! I am starting to wonder about that secretor test...
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Victoria
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Judi,
Are you absolutely sure you're an O?  If you are mistaken about your bloodtype, it could mess up the results of your saliva test.



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Hey all you nonnies! Can I join too?? I eat like a nonnie and when I try to eat more like a secretor, I can't tolerate it. And I have a filling in just about every tooth in my head... seven more mercury fillings to be replaced as soon as I get insurance! I am starting to wonder about that secretor test...


Judi, it could be your rh- status.  I'm finding as an Rh- that eating grain free (even thou I'm a secretor) works best for me.


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Quoted from JK
Hey all you nonnies! Can I join too?? I eat like a nonnie and when I try to eat more like a secretor, I can't tolerate it. And I have a filling in just about every tooth in my head... seven more mercury fillings to be replaced as soon as I get insurance! I am starting to wonder about that secretor test...


JK - I'm no where close to being a medical practioner of any sort but I'm going to guess because you are celiac that you will need to eat more like a nonnie than a secretor. Join us nonnies! You will probably feel so much better.

By the way, it always surprises me when someone with celiac shows as a secretor. Reason I say that is that I read somewhere that if you have celiac that you shouldn't be surprised if your secretor status is a nonnie. I have seen many as secretors so you are not alone.

Also, sometimes neutrals could be avoids for you if your body does not respond positively. I found out for sure the other day that butter and ghee don't like me. Even though it is on my neutral list, it will now go on my avoid list.


Missy - O+ non-secretor with a side of celiac  
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perhaps she might be one of those famous a-b-
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I am sure I am an O. I remember doing the test in high school and saying, "everybody wants MY blood!", as a way of remembering I am a universal donor. Then to be absolutely sure when I started BTD, I ordered the kit and typed it again.

I know a lot of my dietary restrictions are due to the poor state of my digestive tract and I am hoping at some point in the future, I may actually be able to eat like other Os. For now, my diet is much much more resctrictive than a nonnies. Laura and I exchange notes -- she is an A but we have almost identical diets at this point in our healing.
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JK,
I would be happy to see you around the nonnie board.  Especially if it helps your health.  I understand about having a troublesome digestive system.  It affects every part of the body, it seems.  After decades of struggle with IBS, I seem to have finally healed that particular problem.  



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I am so glad to hear it Victoria! Our bodies are amazing in their ability to heal when given the right support. And thanks everyone for the welcome!

I won't focus on what I can't eat since that sort of negative thinking is actually detrimental and on the bright side, what I can eat is a much shorter list so less typing  

turkey cod salmon ahi tuna
occaisional buffalo occaisional lamb -- only ground, cooked separately and rinsed with lots of very hot water before adding to recipes -- gallbladder issues are the problem with the saturated fats in these

collards kale chard squashes pumpkin lettuces carrots broccoli artichokes beets
garlic is back on the list     onions, no

almonds walnuts macadamias pine nuts pumpkin and flax seeds

olive oil, above nut oils, grape seed oil

blueberries cherries pears in moderation
bananas only for nut breads, 1 per loaf, due to Candida

I think that's it... so many food intolerances.  

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Victoria
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Hi Judi,
I recognize the lifestyle!  I also have narrowed down what I can eat to a relatively small and consistent group of foods.  They are the ones that leave me feeling satistfied, nourished and comfortable.  I can deviate occasionally but not for long.

Have you tried Glutamine for your gut health.  It is recommended for O's in the Encyclopedia, and I took it with good results at one period in my life also:
"Helps with nerve transmission, can be soothing to the gut, serves as a source of fuel for cells lining the intestines, . peptic ulcer, ulcerative colitis, inflammatory bowel disease."

Here's something that has been helpful for my sensitive liver and gallbladder:  Chanca Piedra
http://www.wholeworldbotanicals.com/herbal_breakstone.html



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JK
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Yes Victoria, thanks, I do take glutamine (as well as the other aminos since I am not digesting absorbing foods properly). I am very curious about your experience with Chanca Piedra... can you tell me more? What symptoms were you getting? How long did you use it and how did you know it helped? Guess I won't know for myself until I order some! Sure sounds GREAT!
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Victoria
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Judi,
It's always been very hard for me to describe how I feel when I know my liver is getting sluggish and/or stressed.  I just know.  Let's see . . . My eyes feel red and irritated, and my vision gets blurry.  My abdomen is uncomfortable, not pain exactly, but just not right.  My bowels feel like they don't empty enough when I have a bowel movement.  I tend toward emotional and energetic sluggishness, maybe even feeling a bit despressed.

You wondered how the Chanca Piedra helped:  I take 1 cap three times a day on an empty stomach until I feel a lot better, and then I stop until my symptoms bother me again.  I have not experimented yet to see if I take it longer, then maybe the symptoms won't return.

My vision clears...a lot!  My eyes are less red, my gut and liver feel more comfortable.  I sleep better.  My mood is light and energetic.  When I have a bowel movement, it is large and thorough.



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JK
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Thanks Victoria. Those symptoms do sound familiar! Have you done flushing too, or just Chanca?
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Judi,  
I did the flush one time, last year.  I guess it worked ok, but it gave me horrible flashbacks to when I took chemo and I felt so horrible.  When I drank the flush stuff, I lay awake half the night, feeling half nauseous, and just in general, not nice.  I know it was mostly mental, but it's still real for me.

My "stones" were whitish, and about the size of lentils.  I honestly don't know if they were stones or just the combo of the olive oil with bile and cholesterol.  I guess I felt somewhat better afterwards, but not tremendously, and it's easier for me to just use herbs right now.

That could change in the future though.



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Thanks very much Victoria. I am hesitant to do a flush since I do not want to stress my body in any way, like with a semi-fast. I will order some of the Chanca and see how my body responds to it.
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Judi,
I also feel that way.  Sometimes the natural cures are more stressful than the condition.  I know a lot of people do many flushes a year and don't consider them stressful at all.  But for me, it's stressful, and therefore, I tend to not be inclined to do it.

I hope the chanca p. is helpful.  For me, it's a subtle herb, and seems to relieve stress, discomfort, and in general, just makes me feel more relaxed in my insides.  (How's that for a totally non-scientific description? )



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Hi everyone, glad to find you here! Very unsure about the non-secretor stuff & how much of a difference it makes, especially as I have so much weight to lose (I'm 265lbs) & other health problems. Any advice very much appreciated! Also we can't get buffalo  meat in England & I find the list of beneficial foods is very restricted for us. Sorry to moan but want to get it right. Been eliminating avoid foods, but not sure what else to do to get the weight loss & healing I need so much. Been very upset coz I keep having wheat binges & it makes my joints hurt so much as well as making me horrible to live with.. Thanks for any help or support.
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avoiding those avoids is a very good start.

find substitutes for all you have been accustomed to eating, and watch frequency guidelines of any given food group.

everything will fall in place as soon as you start walking! )
welcome!


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Hello LLL,
I'm also a non-secretor, and I salute you for getting your secretor status tested.  It can make a very big difference for those who are dealing with chronic health problems or weight problems.  Secretors are less sensitive to avoids in some ways than us nonnies.  However, once you get the hang of it and Really eat for your blood type and secretor status, you will notice very big improvements.  

In many ways, I'm happy to find out that I'm a nonnie, because when I thought I was a secretor, I ate quite a few avoids because I thought it didn't matter so much.  Now that I'm a nonnie, I Know it matters, and I know I don't have any room for carelessness.  I encourage you to do whatever it takes to stop eating all avoids, if you really want to be healthy and pain-free and reach your goal weight.



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Thanks for encouraging messages! Have family & friends coming to stay from tomorrow to Easter Monday so will make a proper start then.. Will read these threads whenever I can to keep up my resolve! Hard to believe I really will halve my weight by eating right for my type.. One further question, where can I find information for my nonnie status. Haven't found anything in the Eat Right book - have I missed something? Only through finding this forum did I learn about Secretors/nonnies, so not at all sure that I'm even doing the avoid thing right yet! Any help very welcome..  Having beef steak with beneficial green & other veg for dinner now, will look in again later (now 8.20pm BST)
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that info comes in the Live right for your type book....
try an get a hold of it, great read!

meanwhile here:

secretor vs. non-secretor information:
-http://www.dadamo.com/knowbase/subtype/sec9.htm
last lesson tutorial
http://www.dadamo.com/knowbase/newbie/a.htm


understand the science and read the books and the material on this website.

http://www.dadamo.com/science.htm
http://www.dadamo.com/media.htm
http://www.dadamo.com/faq/smartfaq.cgi


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Hi, LLL -- Welcome to the BTD forums!

Actually, I believe there is something about the secretor / non-secretor distinction in ER4YT, but it's just a brief overview somewhere toward the end of the book (maybe in an appendix).  I would look up the page number for you, but (as people here may be tired of hearing me say) my brother has borrowed my copy.  I believe the British edition is somewhat different from the American one, anyhow.

Lola's right, LR4YT has more details -- but ER4YT has all the basics, and you can get virtually all of the details right here on this web site.  (About the only thing I can think of that really isn't covered here is the "Tiers," but that system has not been worked out for non-secretors yet, only for secretors, so that doesn't matter for you or me.)

Have you checked the non-secretor food ratings on Typebase?  (There's a "button" at the top of this page.)  A lot of nonnies who have only ER4YT just compare the listings in the book to what's on Typebase, and mark any differences right in their book.

Just recalling what Dr. D and some of your fellow O's have said -- if you have a carb craving (for example, if you feel a "wheat binge" coming on), eat some protein right away.  I believe some O's also say it helps to eat a grapefruit, or a fruit salad made of only grapefruit and apples.  The consensus seems to be that O nonnies benefit by eating more fruit than grain.


Carol

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