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misspudding
Monday, July 14, 2014, 7:41pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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I've decided the one last piece of the puzzle for me to really get healthy is to give up coffee. I'm really compliant otherwise. I've even given up corn (easy) and potatoes (hard!).

If you need the support, please chime in.

Today is my last day of four cups o' joe before noon. Ugh. I don't enjoy replacing it with green tea, so I'll be using an "herbal" coffee, Teeccino. I'm also considering just making my own breakfast beverage with carob powder, since I enjoy the taste of it, but don't know what else to put in it. Anyone know if it's terribly bitter without the chicory and other additives?




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Try not to think of your transition as a substitute for coffee or make comparisons to coffee. Appreciate it for what it is. Unique, enjoyable. Start a new "tradition", and go in smiling    One door closes, one door opens.
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Ha! Good attitude.

I really am an addict.




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Do you know there is a gluten free version of Teecino if you don't want to start ingesting gluten to sub for coffee.  It's made from roasted dandelion and although I wouldn't say it's equal to the taste of good coffee, it's got a roasted deep dark flavor that is reminiscent of coffee.  Not being much of a coffee drinker, I like Teecino......and it's alkalizing whereas coffee is too acidic for me.

Maybe try squeezing in some of the carob extract.. It tastes really yummy...
http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=NP063

Carob powder doesn't totally dissolve in water and I find it separates, and the bean powder falls to the bottom of a cup, leaving a residue.

You might have to experiment to find your new favorite hot beverage.

I admire you for trying to give up coffee.  

Good luck  


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Congratulations and Good Luck!

The biggest issue with Carob Powder is the texture.  It's gritty / powdery.  Otherwise it's sweet compared with cocoa powder.

You might add a pinch of sea salt or baking soda to help improve the mouth feel, but even better would be a big globby bit of something fatty such as Ghee.  (This is to be a Hot beverage, yes?)  And then if you prefer use an emulsifier to help homogenize the fat if the oil slick on top bothers you.

I just, JUST!, discovered that the "Dark Roast" Yerba Mate blend I enjoy most and finished off had barley in it.  So I switched to unprocessed Yerba Mate.  But I'll look for that new gluten-free Teeccino.  (BTW, some interesting results come up from a search for new gluten-free Teeccino.


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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I have dealt with this.  I found yerba mate tea, gotu kola tea, and regular green tea to be great substitutes and won't stress the adrenals or cause bad blood sugar crashes either.  Also reduces junk food craving and feel far better now.  And I don't really crave coffee at all and it was just three plus weeks!

I also use verbena, mint, and lemon balm for teas.  My wife and I grow these.  Gotu kola is also very easy to grow. I will attempt this sometime!
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Quoted from Averno

Try not to think of your transition as a substitute for coffee or make comparisons to coffee. Appreciate it for what it is. Unique, enjoyable. Start a new "tradition", and go in smiling    One door closes, one door opens.



Very true!
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Quoted from misspudding
Today is my last day of four cups o' joe before noon.

Yeah, if I were you, I'd call it a day on that, too.  
A's are responding - maybe they, too, have had that extreme a habit.
But for A's coffee is a Beneficial of which Dr. D'Adamo has been known to recommend a cup per day.
For me (a cup per day) it's a most enjoyable Neutral.

Quoted from chloe
I like Teecino......and it's alkalizing whereas coffee is too acidic for me.

Coffee, too, is alkalizing, even if it tastes acidic. Many macros (folks doing macrobiotics) who measure such things use coffee as a powerful alkalizer. It's why a meal feels "finished" when it's capped by a cup of coffee (or tea) afterwards, balancing the acidizing foods eaten.

Those who really like coffee but find that bitterness off-putting might try Turkish. No bitterness. Very mellow.


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I have used chicory in the past, just made like coffee.


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If your habit was 4 cups, can you reduce it to 3 cups for a while. After you get used to that, maybe you can reduce it again.


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Also - Run a search. This may be the third or fourth "How to Quit Coffee" thread of 2014?


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I like a combination of chicory root, roasted dandelion root and carob powder brewed in my coffee pot. Maca is good with it, also, but I ran out.

Here's some info that might be of use to you
wholenewmom.com/health-concerns/coffee-substitute/


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For not every food is good for everyone, nor is everything suited to every taste.



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misspudding
Tuesday, July 15, 2014, 3:42am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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All great tips!

I really like the GF Teeccino. I like the kind with barley in it more, but will drink the GF one.

I'm sure giving up coffee is very unpopular but necessary around here. Not surprised by multiple threads... !




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Must be difficult to be from Seattle and feel you need to give up coffee!

I go on and off coffee depending on what's going on with me.  Right now I have been back on it for about 2 months.  I drink 2 cups or less in the morning.  I had my adrenals tested and found that it was ok for me to drink it.

One of the things I like to drink when I am off coffee is Double Dark Chocolate Yerba Mate Tea by The Republic of Tea.  It is expensive, but I have found it to be more satisfying than other teas if I am seeking a coffee substitute.  I also drink Wholefoods brand green tea with pomegranate.  

When I am off coffee, I try to drink fresh lemon juice in water with a little honey.

Sometimes the idea of weaning off coffee can be better to try to eliminate the coffee headaches.  Tea with caffeine will help this - such as yerba mate and green tea.


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I quit coffee a few months ago (again) and I drank black tea for awhile but have moved on to yerba mate'. I like the guayaki brand, EmpowerMint.
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Coffee, too, is alkalizing, even if it tastes acidic. Many macros (folks doing macrobiotics) who measure such things use coffee as a powerful alkalizer. It's why a meal feels "finished" when it's capped by a cup of coffee (or tea) afterwards, balancing the acidizing foods eaten.

Those who really like coffee but find that bitterness off-putting might try Turkish. No bitterness. Very mellow.


I'm confused after reading this about acid/alkaline effects of food.

Why is coffee on the acid list?

http://drbenkim.com/ph-body-blood-foods-acid-alkaline.htm



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It is recommended for the typical A to aid digestion because it is acidic.  A's who are explorers, coffee (and high caffeine consumption) is a toxin to be avoided for optimal functioning.  The liver will be strained and the adrenals will eventually be strained (kidneys) when explorers drink coffee at levels other genotypes seem to do with no issue.  This can bleed over if it continues into other systems.

Even A's of other genotypes can be sensitive to coffee or caffeine, and prob are best off with other drinks.  However, coffee is beneficial for many A's and AB's especially.  

I was drinking too much on a daily basis, so I cut it out for awhile and just drink teas for the time being.  An occasional cup won't be bad eventually, but I cannot return to drinking 4 to 6 big mugs of coffee a day.  (I drank it black with or without a dash of sugar.)  
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Quoted from Easy E
It is recommended for the typical A to aid digestion because it is acidic.  A's who are explorers, coffee (and high caffeine consumption) is a toxin to be avoided for optimal functioning.  The liver will be strained and the adrenals will eventually be strained (kidneys) when explorers drink coffee at levels other genotypes seem to do with no issue.  This can bleed over if it continues into other systems.

Even A's of other genotypes can be sensitive to coffee or caffeine, and prob are best off with other drinks.  However, coffee is beneficial for many A's and AB's especially.  
  


This makes perfect sense...My Warrior husband can drink coffee any time of the day or night
and go right to sleep. It seems to give him the digestive benefits some type A people would get.
But for me, gives me instant acid reflux...just can't drink it very often.  Iced coffee with a little
cream is fine...but cream is a toxin and therefore something I rarely would do. Plus coffee makes
me shaky and keeps me up all night if I drink it even late afternoon.  Not my beverage of choice.



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Yeah, I'm down to two "cups" plus one cup of the Teeccino today. So far, so good. I'll drink green tea in the afternoon if I start to get a caffeine headache. Never had any issues with green tea, except if I drink it in the morning it seems to make me really hungry (which is why I usually drink coffee!).

Patty H, can you describe the flavor of the double dark chocolate yerba mate? I tolerate regular mate but don't love it, but if it's really dark and rich and thick, that might be a good sub for coffee. It's the "body" of coffee that I miss when I give it up, not so much the caffeine.




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to cut down on coffe headache.. Drink peppermint tea and do so for a few days.  Peppermint seems to reduce 'coffee' headaches from 5 severe to three tolerable.  

Peppermint tea also serves to do other things when drank often.. observe your urine output and frequencies..      


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Thanks, Goldie, but I'm okay if I stop over a couple of weeks.




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Quoted from Chloe
I like Teecino......and it's alkalizing whereas coffee is too acidic for me.


Quoted from san j
Coffee, too, is alkalizing, even if it tastes acidic. Many macros (folks doing macrobiotics) who measure such things use coffee as a powerful alkalizer. It's why a meal feels "finished" when it's capped by a cup of coffee (or tea) afterwards, balancing the acidizing foods eaten.

Those who really like coffee but find that bitterness off-putting might try Turkish. No bitterness. Very mellow.


Quoted from Chloe
I'm confused after reading this about acid/alkaline effects of food.

Hi, Chloe - Just saw your post.
I think this is the sort of explanation you're requesting?
http://www.natural-cancer-cures.com/acid-and-alkaline.html



As an aside - just for you - be aware that there are a number of factors that cause the acidic sourness/bitterness of coffee and that can be controlled.
One is the way the beans are roasted.
Another is the way the coffee is brewed.
If you do the 5-10-minute search I just did, you'll find a number of ways to mellow-out your coffee.

Also, when you quoted Easy E, you neglected to include the following paragraph:
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I was drinking too much on a daily basis, so I cut it out for awhile and just drink teas for the time being.  An occasional cup won't be bad eventually, but I cannot return to drinking 4 to 6 big mugs of coffee a day.  (I drank it black with or without a dash of sugar.)

Easy E chose to "cut it out", but I think most A's would do quite well to stop "drinking 4 to 6 big mugs of coffee a day" in favor of the one cup of coffee Dr. D'Adamo recommends.  



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I discovered you can just buy carob and chicory by themselves, which I just did yesterday. I added a teaspoon of each to my ground coffee this morning. It tasted great! The store I buy from also had dandelion...so I'm going to play around. Looking forward to being off of coffee again!!!




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Also, when you quoted Easy E, you neglected to include the following paragraph:

Easy E chose to "cut it out", but I think most A's would do quite well to stop "drinking 4 to 6 big mugs of coffee a day" in favor of the one cup of coffee Dr. D'Adamo recommends.  

I cut it out for the time being, in order for my adrenal system to recover and rebalance again.  So I use green tea and herbal teas that I grow in my yard.  I feel far better.  Coffee is a downright avoid for the explorer genotype either way, because it becomes addictive and having one will lead to a loop where I need two, and then three and so on.  This has been a pattern for years so I don't think I can ever have more than an occasional cup on special occasions.

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As an aside - just for you - be aware that there are a number of factors that cause the acidic sourness/bitterness of coffee and that can be controlled.
One is the way the beans are roasted.
Another is the way the coffee is brewed.
Roasting and brewing also alter the caffeine content.  And the type of beans contributes to caffeine content.

Dark roasted beans produce less caffeine than light roasted beans.
Using more grounds to brew produces more caffeine.
The Arabica beans found in the gourmet coffees have less caffeine than the beans used in the bulk commercial coffees such as Maxwell House.

These facts are from the book "Caffeinated: How Our Daily Habit Helps, Hurts, and Hooks Us"

I'm tempted to recommend that if folks want to quit coffee, they should switch to decaf immediately and take caffeine pills in order to standardize the dose.  Then taper / wean off the pills while replacing the decaf.  Once the pill dosage has zeroed out, switching completely from decaf to an alternate beverage should be easier if by then it hasn't been achieved.



My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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