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narnia
Wednesday, June 4, 2014, 12:34am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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I had assumed that I should avoid wheat and whatever grains that are on my avoids list.  I had converted a friend over to the BTD and she interpreted wheat-free to mean gluten-free and has been gluten-free now for a few years.  She buys gluten-free oats. She is not celiac.

So, is my understanding correct, or is hers correct?


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I think Dr. D'Adamo is clear where he counsels to avoid gluten.
I think Dr. D'Adamo is clear where he counsels to avoid wheat, even by type of wheat.


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I think Dr. D'Adamo is clear where he counsels to avoid gluten.
I think Dr. D'Adamo is clear where he counsels to avoid wheat, even by type of wheat.


But, rye is neutral for Os....doesn't rye have gluten?


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Don't remember BTD, but one GTD can have barley (gatherer).


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And I think O's can have spelt, which contains wheat gluten.  I eat it, myself.


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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So, what is the answer to my question?  That Os are not gluten-free, but just to avoid wheat?


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if you are gluten intolerant, then by all means avoid all gluten containing grains


the problem lectin is WGA

http://www.bing.com/search?cp=1252&FORM=FREESS&q=WGA&q1=site%3Adadamo.com

reason why sprouted wheat is advised instead

Note gluten intolerant or celiac should avoid sprouted wheat as well


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So, what is the answer to my question?  That Os are not gluten-free, but just to avoid wheat?
Yes, type O does not need to be gluten-free under the original BTD.  But it depends on what your goal is.  "The leading factor in weight gain ... is the gluten..." page 53.  So if your goal is to lose weight, go gluten-free.



My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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Gluten doesn't work for me and that includes spelt and rye. I'm much better without it.
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Gluten is found in wheat, spelt, barley, and rye, and oats are often contaminated with gluten. Gluten-free oats are free of this possible contamination from wheat.

Wheat and barley are avoids for all Os, but O secretors can have spelt, rye, and oats, and O nonnies get rye as neutral. The basic O diet does not need to be gluten free.

Gluten free oats are not a good choice for O nonnies because oats are an avoid for O nonnies. These special oats are fine for O secretors,  but not necessary for most. The trace amounts of wheat found in regular oats is usually not a problem for O secretors.

Some individuals, of any blood type, can have problems with gluten. An O secretor with celiac disease or gluten sensitivity would not fare well with rye, spelt, or regular oats, but should do fine with the gluten-free oats. There are also some O secretors who are very sensitive to the trace amounts of wheat in regular oats, but do fine on spelt, rye, and gluten-free oats. But that's not common- usually, the ones who can have spelt and rye are also fine with regular oats.

Os also need to be careful of commercial gluten-free products because many of them contain avoids, such as corn or potato.

So, in a nutshell, you're right and she's wrong; the O diet does not HAVE TO be  gluten-free. However, your friend may be one of those individuals who doesn't do well on gluten, even if she doesn't have full-out celiac disease. So what she's doing might be just right for HER.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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I have learned from Dr. D'Adamo that any 'blanket statement' about what people can and should eat is bound to be proved incorrect by someone, somewhere who will not be able to eat it.  Sometimes people say, "Oh, you're a blood type B, one of the lucky ones who can eat dairy!"  Well, no.  I happen to be a person who does not do well on dairy at all.

Dr. D doesn't say for all type O's to avoid all gluten.  On the BTD, all wheat is avoid (if I remember correctly).  Some Genotype O's may need to avoid all gluten and some may not.

I would stick with Dr. D's food lists for whichever diet the person is following.  And if there are specific food intolerance issues, then those foods can also be eliminated.



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I am a Type O Gatherer and while I don't HAVE to be gluten free, I do best if I am starch-free or as close to it as possible.  The only starch that doesn't trigger me to eat more is legumes, so, when I am trying to be compliant to lose weight, I lose the starch.

Also, beware of gluten-free products...they are usually full of avoids, even on the BTD, such as potato starch, corn and gums.


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Yes...I know about the gluten-free commercial products, so I don't use them.

But...how do I know if I am intolerant to gluten???


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My guess would be to go off gluten for a few weeks, the answer should present itself


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Most Os do fine on spelt, oats, and rye. A great many people confuse gluten sensitivity with wheat sensitivity, and Os shouldn't have regular wheat anyway.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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When I started my genotype diet, I decided to avoid all gluten. At that point it just meant adding spelt to my avoid list.  My IBS went away completely.   I am not celiac.  As someone said, give it a trial and you will soon know if it's what you need or not.
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Yes...I know about the gluten-free commercial products, so I don't use them.

But...how do I know if I am intolerant to gluten???


Narnia, the first start, imho, would be to have your secretor test done if you have not already done so.  As Ruthie pointed out in an earlier post, O secretors have a lot more grains that they can eat than O nonnies.  As an O nonnie, there are not a lot of options.  I get Artichoke Flour Pasta, Flaxseed Bread, Fonio, Job's tears, Larch Fiber, Malanga, Tannier, Xanthosoma, Millet, Quinoa, and Rice and Rice Bran products and Teff.  I don't know what most of this stuff is or where to find it.  In order to be safe, I stick with Millet and Rice breads, but the truth is I consume breads very infrequently and when I want a carb, I eat rice or quinoa.  Even sprouted wheat, which Lola mentions above, is an avoid for me.  I think it is safe to say that if I want to follow the diet, I am gluten free, as rice, quinoa and millet are all gluten free.  I hope this helps!


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Where do you find artichoke flour pasta that doesn't have avoids in it?
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never found it, jane. But I did find sweet potato pasta!! without anything else in it. It's a Korean food.
I lost my asthma when I went gluten free…..that was awesome!
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I feel much better gluten free.  
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Quoted from Jane
Patty,
Where do you find artichoke flour pasta that doesn't have avoids in it?
Jane


I never found it either.  I stick with rice and quinoa mostly, once in a while millet.  I was just listing the stuff from my SWAMI Pro.


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