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narnia
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I came across info about "Wheat Belly" last year, which said that wheat today is very toxic due to its no longer being the original strain that it was 100 years ago.  

Due to this info, my DH, who is an AB, decided to go off wheat.  Since then, he has lost about 10 lbs...which he did NOT need to lose, since he was already on the thin side.  I am so concerned about him, because he is looking unhealthily thin now, since being off wheat for the past 6+ months!

So, my question is...wheat is a neutral for ABs.  Obviously, Dr. D. tested the blood type with modern wheat and not the original wheat?  So...I don't know what to make of the theories surrounding the book, "Wheat Belly."

Also, I have been reading a lot of articles which state that grains in general are bad for everyone (that they are toxic), that it causes tooth decay and all kinds of diseases.  I know that for me, as an O, I need to severely limit my intake of grains, even rice, because I can feel the aching coming into my joints when I eat it too frequently, but my AB DH...can he thrive with eating grains on a daily basis?  We need to do something to restore his weight...he has lost a lot of muscle, too!

I am very confused, because the info seems to conflict with the BTD.     Please help!


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What do you mean by "issues?"  He was not having any issues with wheat.  He just quit after watching the youtube video by the man who wrote "Wheat Belly."

How does Dr. D. feel about wheat along those lines?  Does he feel that it is safe to eat in its modern state?  That is really all I want to know.



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He would have been used to a diet that is now decreased in wheat so if that's what he want to do he should replace wheat with something else, what over grains or seeds  does he like or that are beneficial rather than just neutral.

But if Dr D says wheat for the average AB i.e one without any health issues it is not as bad as for example a blood type o having wheat.



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I understand wheat has been re-engineered many times and could imagine that the protein that has been increased a lot might be hard for many to digest, but I find it hard to believe all grains are bad for us.  My husband loves his bread.
I'd also be interested in Dr. D's thoughts/recommendations on present day wheat and what is being written about grains in general.  
Lin


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How does Dr. D. feel about wheat along those lines?  Does he feel that it is safe to eat in its modern state?

Have you read Dr. D's books?  He talks about wheat pretty extensively in Eat Right, mostly with cautions about what it does to the various blood types...  Even Typebase provides a summary of his thoughts, although for the two types that wheat is shown as Neutral, there are comments and warnings about excessive use of wheat in the books...
http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?447

The cautions in Eat Right for A and AB are for those who have pronounced mucus conditions from allergy or asthma, as well as the acid/alkaline balance in the tissues...  The recommendation is to eat no more than 1 serving of wheat bran or germ (or whole wheat) product per week and only 1 or 2 servings of semolina or spinach pasta per week...


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ABJoe, many thanks.


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How has he changed his diet when he cut out the wheat? Did he cut back on grains in general, or did he substitute other  grains, such as spelt, for the wheat he stopped eating?

Nobody *needs* wheat in their diet. At best, it's neutral, and there are plenty of beneficial grains available to those who get wheat as a neutral.

As far as Wheat Belly is concerned, the author did not  account for  blood type or any other individuality in diet. Wheat IS toxic for the vast majority of people. Take a mixed-blood type population, and cut wheat out of their diets, and you will see health benefits in that group of people. His book is helping a lot of people to improve their diets and increase their health, even though his advice is not blood-type specific. The book's popularity is making wheat-free options more mainstream, which helps people on BTD (those of us who shouldn't be eating wheat) find options in stores and restaurants and friends' homes.


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Have you read Dr. D's books?  He talks about wheat pretty extensively in Eat Right, mostly with cautions about what it does to the various blood types...  Even Typebase provides a summary of his thoughts, although for the two types that wheat is shown as Neutral, there are comments and warnings about excessive use of wheat in the books...
http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?447

The cautions in Eat Right for A and AB are for those who have pronounced mucus conditions from allergy or asthma, as well as the acid/alkaline balance in the tissues...  The recommendation is to eat no more than 1 serving of wheat bran or germ (or whole wheat) product per week and only 1 or 2 servings of semolina or spinach pasta per week...


Thanks!  I do not have Eat Right..I guess I need to get it and read it.  

The link above has no discussion.  Can you give me one where Dr. D discusses wheat?



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How has he changed his diet when he cut out the wheat? Did he cut back on grains in general, or did he substitute other  grains, such as spelt, for the wheat he stopped eating?

Nobody *needs* wheat in their diet. At best, it's neutral, and there are plenty of beneficial grains available to those who get wheat as a neutral.

As far as Wheat Belly is concerned, the author did not  account for  blood type or any other individuality in diet. Wheat IS toxic for the vast majority of people. Take a mixed-blood type population, and cut wheat out of their diets, and you will see health benefits in that group of people. His book is helping a lot of people to improve their diets and increase their health, even though his advice is not blood-type specific. The book's popularity is making wheat-free options more mainstream, which helps people on BTD (those of us who shouldn't be eating wheat) find options in stores and restaurants and friends' homes.


Thanks for that comment on his book!  Very helpful!!     

He used to eat bread daily...peanut butter and jelly sandwiches and/or toast with eggs for breakfast.  He has not replaced with other grains for those times, as he has tried gluten-free breads and did not like them.  

Since we try to eat mutual foods for the most part, he has only eaten whatever grains I cooked/ate, which has not been on a daily basis.  Lately I rarely eat grains as I have noticed that my joints ache when I do.  So, that meant less grains for him.  However, lately I have tried to have a pot of rice cooking for him on many days.



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I do not have Eat Right..I guess I need to get it and read it.  

The link above has no discussion.  Can you give me one where Dr. D discusses wheat?


A library may have a copy you can read, or a used bookstore, garage sale, etc...

The links I find online discuss wheat and Type O, not so much Type A...


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I didn't read all the comments, but perhaps he'd go to an older wheat such as spelt, these haven't be modified as much.


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I didn't read all the comments, but perhaps he'd go to an older wheat such as spelt, these haven't be modified as much.


Spelt!  SPELT IS ANCIENT WHEAT. Surely spelt is on your foods list as an O, Marina but did it get omitted in the book you have? I just served spelt at Easter at a pan-bloodtype dinner. Spelt is widely available and cooks up just as quick as regular wheat but with less glueten content and is great for all receipies and together you will both be pleased with the taste. Wow those books must be older than I thought.


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although he does emphasize organic wherever possible

and ofcourse sprouted to be on the safe side


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I also lost weight, and muscle and I was not overweight and did not need to lose weight. It may have to do with not only right nutrition, but the times of day when eating meals, as best to support the glands/liver by eating in line with the daily circadian rythyms, and maybe avoid the grains and see how he goes, like more as the paleo people are doing.  the starches/grains do seem to affect the pancreas, be involved with insulin resistance and lead to inflammation and leaky gut.
So keep reading this forum, do more research. Also, type O's need to keep up the vigorous/intensive exercise, it is helping me, to get the circulation around the body/and all glands which need enough protein to function. I am still perservering with eating eggs in the morning, I like fish around 5:30pm, lunch around 11:30 usually poultry or red meat, if I can manage it, and perhaps a snack of nuts around 2:30, as am trying to rev up and get my glands, liver stronger. I can't do much fruit, as this affects my blood sugar, and this caused many symptoms including night sweats, as blood sugar drops around 1am to 3am. keep trying different things to find what ever works.
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it's not just the gluten, but also the effect of cooked starches, the carbs on the blood sugar, and how grains slow down metabolism. oral health cal also be affected, as I know from rice, and sprouted kamut bread. more veggies helps a lot, and fat too.
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The BTD take on wheat is still decades ahead to even the most topical bestsellers, none of which address the lectin issue, let alone lectins in any blood type specific manner.


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The BTD take on wheat is still decades ahead to even the most topical bestsellers, none of which address the lectin issue, let alone lectins in any blood type specific manner.

EXACTLY!!!

I get so infuriated by this certain co-worker who is a registered nurse and a person who thinks she knows everything, she's up HERE and the rest of us are down there.  Years ago, when I was very obese, she kept spouting the then-ADA line that I needed to eat less fat and more whole grains.  I was already on the BTD but struggling, yet I knew it was right nutritionally and was the right path for me--I was just having issues staying on the path.  Anyway, I kept politely trying to tell her that the advice she was spouting didn't work for me, and actually was diametrically opposed to what does work.  She up and said very condescendingly, as is her wont, with this snearing smile on her smug face:  "Edna, look at me, and then look at you.  Look at me, and then look at you.*  When you look like me, I'll listen to what you are saying."  In other words, because I was obese and struggling, I couldn't possibly know what I'm talking about.  It couldn't be that someone could know what to do in theory yet be having a rough time consistently practicing it.

Anyway, fast foward to a few years ago, when "Wheat Belly" came out.  By then, I had lost 97 lbs by following Dr. D's advice, NOT by listening to people like her telling me to cut out fat and eat whole grains.  She now discovers "Wheat Belly", which is definitely many days late and dollars short of what Dr. D. wrote YEARS ago.  So now she is all completely zealous on that not just wheat is "bad", but "carbs" are bad, and she doesn't eat "carbs", including fruit.  All "carbs" are the same to her.  She goes on and on at every company function about how she is just going to have the frosting (!) from the cake because the wheat is bad, or she is going to have the cake because it is a special occasion, but she shouldn't, because wheat is bad.  Carbs are bad.  You should just eat veggies and protein.  And I'm thinking...hmmmm....wasn't I saying something somewhat similar a DECADE ago, and you laughed in my FACE?  Only no, it wasn't that similar, as it is much more COMPLEX and non-reductionist.

* Yup, she repeated that gem TWICE.



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She goes on and on at every company function about how she is just going to have the frosting (!) from the cake because the wheat is bad, or she is going to have the cake because it is a special occasion, but she shouldn't, because wheat is bad.


Wow!!  Glad to hear frosting is OK as long as there is no wheat attached!  


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She goes on and on at every company function about how she is just going to have the frosting (!) from the cake because the wheat is bad, or she is going to have the cake because it is a special occasion, but she shouldn't, because wheat is bad.
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Wow!!  Glad to hear frosting is OK as long as there is no wheat attached!  

^   *lol*, exactly, that about sums up the logic of that particular dingbat.


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