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My youngest child will be undergoing several tests and procedures in the next couple months in preparation for an operation to close a cranial defect she was born with.

Next week she is scheduled for a cranial CT scan. I had a couple CT scans many years ago before I had sinus surgery so I vaguely remember what it was like. Although there's no physical discomfort involved in the scan, the challenge may be to get her to lay completely still during the scan.

She has a lot of spunk and determination and has always welcomed change in her life in most regards, but when it comes to medical testing she is very unpredictable. Sometimes she does great with doctors when they have to polk, prod, and examine her. Other times, when she gets it in her head that she doesn't want to be messed with or sit still, she can become very upset. Her last lengthy visit with the cranial-facial team in Baltimore went extremely well; but that was likely because I kept some chocolates in my purse and periodically bribed her to "be good". It worked like a charm! But a CT scan......who knows if she can be bribed into laying completely still for 10-15 minutes with the "doughnut" spinning around her head.

I will be talking with her about what to expect and that I intend to take her out to lunch afterwards with the promise of dessert if she can get through the appointment. It's amazing what a lover of food she is and the effect it has on her willingness to obey and cooperate. Still, I would welcome suggestions regarding supplements or natural foods that promote calmness and tranquility.

I have been taking gingko just over a week now and am finding it to be very good supplement in calming the nerves. I don't know if that has more to do with the fact that I'm type A and would naturally have higher cortisol (which gingko is known to lower) levels than my type O daughter. Or perhaps the gingko could be just as effective in helping her deal with potentially emotional and stressful situations? She also receives a powdered magnesium supplement daily which is supposed to be helpful in calming stress. Anything else I could try to give her?

This CT scan, when it's over, is going to seem like a trip to the park compared to the blood tests, surgery, and recovery period she will have to endure in the near future. I just hope and pray she can at least cope with this procedure well.


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Whatever you try, I'd suggest giving it to her a few days in advance to see how she responds. Sometimes herbs or drugs can have opposite reactions in some kids. I've heard of parents giving kids Benadryl to knock them out during a flight, but these kids "bounce off the walls" from the medicine instead, making the flight unpleasant for them, their child, and their fellow passengers.

People with ADD or ADHD are more likely to have that kind of "reverse" response, and young children are more likely to react that way than teens or adults. Your youngest is about 6 if I remember correctly, so be wary of this possible effect.

Some people are relaxed by stimulants and "wound up" by relaxants. Caffeine makes my son sleepy!


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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I imagine it would be as simple as reducing sugar and stimulants like msg etc for a few days before hand.

that and the fact that as everything and everyone around these machines are extremely calm and business like I'm pretty sure she will just behave.

I might be an idea to not make too much of a fuss generally.

is there any way to get a good result from a manual or alternative approach to the problem.

what is the benefit to risk ratio of the operation she is potentially having. sometimes i think the only ones to benefit are the doctors and the people making billions from these machines.

when i had my MRI the results were inconclusive. also any one i have spoken to had the same inconclusive results while the system gets charges thousand and thousands of pounds regardless....

wishing her and you well whatever you decide.


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I imagine it would be as simple as reducing sugar and stimulants like msg etc for a few days before hand.

that and the fact that as everything and everyone around these machines are extremely calm and business like I'm pretty sure she will just behave.

I might be an idea to not make too much of a fuss generally.

is there any way to get a good result from a manual or alternative approach to the problem.

what is the benefit to risk ratio of the operation she is potentially having. sometimes i think the only ones to benefit are the doctors and the people making billions from these machines.

when i had my MRI the results were inconclusive. also any one i have spoken to had the same inconclusive results while the system gets charges thousand and thousands of pounds regardless....

wishing her and you well whatever you decide.


I hear what you're saying policychecker. We already made the mistake last year when my daughter was under the care of a different team of specialists by agreeing to an evasive procedure regarding her cleft palate that not only was inconclusive, but was stated as completely unnecessary by the new team of specialists here in Baltimore.

However, what we're doing now is making plans to have my daughters fontanel (soft spot) closed so she can live a normal life like everyone else with a fully developed cranium. Right now we have to be so careful about so many of the activities she engages in. The CT scan will give the surgeons a clear picture of the thickness of her skull because the surgery will require a bone graft, basically removing bone from the lower parts of the skull (near the ears) to close the gap in the top center of her skull. The first team we saw discussed the future surgery, but lead us to believe it would be many years before her skull was thick enough to do the bone graft. So, when our current team said she was probably old enough as they have done this kind of surgery with children younger than our daughter, we agreed to deal with this physical problem immediately.

Ruth, I hadn't thought about about Benadryl or any similar product. She's never had anything like that, even with all the traveling in China and the long flight home to the U.S. we never gave her any medication. But you're right, I've heard the same thing about the unpredictable side effects of those kinds of medications on children's behaviors.



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Have you thought of "Rescue Remedy" ? There is another called "4 Kids Calm and Restful"  

125tabs for 7.17.  Try a health food store or order online. (1800homeopathy.com)


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Don't they just give the child a shot, so they are calm for sure during this kind of a test?  Or is this what you don't want her to have?  I wish her and you well.
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Why don't you discuss it with the doctors.
I've had two MRIs....one for my shoulder - head in and one for my knee when my head was out.  The place I had it gave me headphones to listen to music.  Took about 40 minutes.  I'm sure it must be different for kids.

I don't know if Catechol is appropriate for kids but it calms me down.  I have a slight recollection - not sure - that Dr. D doesn't recommend Gingko for Os.

You  could call DPN and ask.  The people that answer the phone are pretty knowledgeable.  

Certainly wishing you the best.
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Check with Isa (Amazone), but I am thinking GABA, 5HTP or Tryptophan in the correct dosage.  

If I am wound up, GABA makes me very calm, if I can't sleep, Tryptophan puts me to sleep for a 12 hour stretch.  I can't take opiates at all for pain, they give me horrendous dreams, I would prefer pain over the gross dreams.  
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Deblynn, I checked Amazon for the products you mentioned and read some reviews, and they look very promising.

Geminisue and Jane, the need for a sedating drug did not come up with the surgeon or technician I spoke to on the phone to set up the appointment. She will not be in an enclosed space with intense noises around her like an MRI would. It's more an issue of keeping her laying still during the duration of the scan.

I did check the site for more information on gingko, and yes it isn't recommended for O's because of blood thinning properties, which I definitely wouldn't prefer to use on her since she gets nosebleeds easily. Rhodiola was recommended as a reasonable substitute to gingko for type O's.

Jean, I have 5HTP in the house and I think my nonnie son uses it from time to time since I stopped using it myself when I learned it's not particularly good for secretors. However, I have to say, from my experience using the product, that it works quite well in calming nerves. So, I gave my daughter a dose this morning and will give it to her daily through next Wednesday when she has the CT scan. But the other products previously discussed will probably be better to try in the upcoming months before and after the surgery. I'm guessing my daughter is a secretor and should not be taking the 5-HTP long term in spite of the short-term benefits.

Thanks for all the great ideas, folks!


Coleen ISF-J, Non-Taster
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Update on my daughter's CT scan: Praise God we got very clear and precise images from the CT scan-I saw them myself!

It was touch and go for a while there. The second we walked into the room with the scanner, my daughter had a look of shock and disbelief at what she saw. It was obviously nothing like what she was imagining in her mind when I was describing to her what the machine or room looked like.  It literally took a good half hour or so trying to talk her into doing the scan. Every time I touched her, to put her on the table or get her to lay down and place her head in the head rest, she freaked out. A lot of coaxing was done, chocolates in my purse didn't help as much as I had hoped. After the technician and I exhausted all efforts to "get her comfortable" with her surroundings, I started talking to her about going out to lunch and getting ice cream for dessert. She started trying to lay down, but she couldn't bring herself to place her head in the head rest even though we touched and poked at the cushion inside it. At this point I was convinced I needed to take a different approach, or she would continue to stress and all the efforts made by all parties involved would be in vain.

I then gently but firmly pushed her head and chest down (she was almost in place) to how and where she needed to be positioned. I knew she would wail, but as painful as it is to do, it was exactly what needed to be done. I was sitting by her side holding her hand and talking to her in a gentle voice as she released all that pent up emotion right there on that table. We both had our "lead vests" on and as I held my daughters hand while she continued to cry, the technician started adjusting the table to the correct position. She then started to calm down as we discussed lunch plans. From that point on, the hysterics vanished and she was ready to submit.

What a beautiful thing it was as I looked down at my daughter with a smile on my face as the scanner began and the table continued to move back and forth as the images were being recorded. She looked so peaceful and comfortable as she looked around and occasionally glanced at me with a smile on her face, giving me occasional thumbs up. The technician spoke to us occasionally through an intercom from the next room telling us what was going on and how great she was doing. When it was over, the technician praised my daughter for sitting amazingly still and she jumped up off the table and gave me a big hug. I almost cried too as it was an emotional event for me as well and it all turned out so well. The technician even took me into the "back room" (against hospital policy I might ad) to show us the images of the scan and how clear they really were. They really looked fantastic and were very clear.

Sorry I rambled on so long, but I appreciate all of you who cared enough to give helpful advice and express concern for my daughter's well being. Thank you so much for that.

More to come in the future as we go into the "pre-op" phase.


Coleen ISF-J, Non-Taster
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I'm glad the test went well in the end!

It's probably also a good idea to get her secretor status tested. With all her health issues, you should do all you can to fine-tune her diet.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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big smile and hugs, with kisses to you and your little one.. Happy all went well, seems mom was the best tranquilizer!


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I'm glad the test went well in the end!

It's probably also a good idea to get her secretor status tested. With all her health issues, you should do all you can to fine-tune her diet.


I do believe she most likely is a secretor. In spite of her physical problems and dyslexia, she has a pretty strong immune system. Having lived in an orphanage (poor health conditions and nutrition) until her adoption at the age of 6, I think her general health would have been far worse than it actually was if she is a nonnie.

However, she will have to have routine blood work coming up in the fall and I can't remember if others have spoken about having a secretor test done through their own physicians laboratory? Is it called a Lewis test?

There is another issue. The geneticist from the cranial facial team has proposed future genetic testing and while my dh and I are not willing to have all kinds of "exploratory" procedures done on her, perhaps some of the more relevant lab tests that Dr. D and his practitioners test for could be included in the lab work. I'm just not sure which ones would be most pertinent and which ones our physician could test for. But, my daughters genetic history is completely unknown and certain tests may be helpful in determining her genotype and fine tuning her diet in the future.


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I would think she's most likely either an Explorer or a Gatherer. Her biological mother likely did NOT take good care of herself while pregnant- if she ate too little, that can lead to Gatherer tendencies, while overall stress during pregnancy usually results in Explorers. Of course, there are also lots of epigenetic factors that have to do with family medical history, and the mom's health prior to pregnancy, that you have no way to determine.

I also personally wonder about the importance of prenatal experiences to the exclusion of infancy- is "the fourth trimester of pregnancy" really THAT much less important than the 3rd? Was your daughter institutionalized from birth, or did she join the orphanage as an older baby or small child? I wonder if she got any breastmilk at all or if she was 100% formula fed.


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I would think she's most likely either an Explorer or a Gatherer. Her biological mother likely did NOT take good care of herself while pregnant- if she ate too little, that can lead to Gatherer tendencies, while overall stress during pregnancy usually results in Explorers. Of course, there are also lots of epigenetic factors that have to do with family medical history, and the mom's health prior to pregnancy, that you have no way to determine.

I also personally wonder about the importance of prenatal experiences to the exclusion of infancy- is "the fourth trimester of pregnancy" really THAT much less important than the 3rd? Was your daughter institutionalized from birth, or did she join the orphanage as an older baby or small child? I wonder if she got any breastmilk at all or if she was 100% formula fed.


You're very insightful Ruth. I've wondered the same things about her birthmother countless numbers of times (as well as my other children's birthparents). She could be the poster child of what asymmetry looks like: cleft lip and palate (repaired) up the left side of the mouth and lip, a very "lumpy" skull with open defect in the fontanel, right brain dominant left-handed dyslexic, right hand ring finger much longer than index finger while left hand index/ring fingers same length. I don't know about her leg and torso measurements, but I have no doubt when she's done growing that she will have asymmetrical measurements in those regions as well.

I also believe the early months of orphanage life after her birth played a role in determining her genotype, as well as a very obvious stressful pregnancy her birth mother clearly had. China only allows families to have one child, and usually families prefer boys; that's why so many orphanages are filled with little girls, and especially if they're born with a physical impediment. It's also well documented that newborns with cleft palates don't feed well, so my daughter had a lot going against her since her birth.

My older daughter is also very asymmetrical as well. She has a blind, small, underdeveloped right eye, the folds of her ears don't match, crooked toes of different lengths, and also has asymmetrical finger lengths. Her birthmother placed her for adoption the day she was born as well.

These girls will likely turn out to be strong explorers, but in the meantime we just follow the O secretor diets for them.


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