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Melissa_J
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So I finally got to retest my secretor status.  Years ago I did the salivary test and it said non-secretor, more recently I found out my Lewis blood test said I am a secretor.  I decided that since the salivary test is typically more reliable, that I'd have it redone.

Just got the results and I am a secretor.

As much as I originally hoped to be a secretor, I had settled into non-secretor ness quite well.  I'll miss it.  Time to re-adjust.


Type O+ blogger, secretor afterall. Gluten intolerant. With two gluten intolerant sons:  A+ Secretor 10 yo (also fructose intolerant and slightly egg allergic), and  O- 7yo.

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I'm glad to have it figured out and confirmed.  After double checking my other measurements, this puts me firmly in Hunter territory... which explains why generally the O nonnie diet did a litter better than the original O diet.  the O diet was great too.

The thing I don't like is that I now have no excuses.  I have every reason to be very healthy, if I'm not, that's my fault.  Although the good side of that is that when I am compliant I have no trouble meeting my goals quickly.  I guess that applies to everyone to some degree.  Gatherers have more trouble losing weight, even when compliant, and non secretors have other challenges.  I can't blame my metabolism or my secretor status anymore.

Being a hunter and secretor does explain a lot.  However it is the one O genotype diet I haven't followed for any long period of time, so this should be interesting.


Type O+ blogger, secretor afterall. Gluten intolerant. With two gluten intolerant sons:  A+ Secretor 10 yo (also fructose intolerant and slightly egg allergic), and  O- 7yo.
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If there are a number of health issues that need to be addressed, in my experience a SWAMI diet plan generally works better than a GenoType diet from the book.


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Yes, working that out now.  I already know it will be strongly BTD, although the basic hunter diet looks like a better fit that won't need as much tweaking as the other O genotype diets did.  The hunter diet has the least dairy or gluten, which is why the O-non diet was such a good thing for me, even though I'm a secretor afterall.

I will miss avocados, pinto beans and mushrooms... but I'm sure I'll discover plenty of good things to add and replace them with.  


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Quoted from Melissa_J
So I finally got to retest my secretor status.  Years ago I did the salivary test and it said non-secretor, more recently I found our my Lewis blood test said I am a secretor.  I decided that since the salivary test is typically more reliable, that I'd have it redone.

Just got the results and I am a secretor.




How reliable, then, should we assume our results from NAP?
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How reliable, then, should we assume our results from NAP?

I think the saliva test is generally reliable.  I'm not sure what reasons there could be for a Secretor being labelled a Non.

The one way that a Non would be mistaken as Secretor is to get blood in the saliva.


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I think the saliva test is generally reliable.  I'm not sure what reasons there could be for a Secretor being labeled a Non.

The one way that a Non would be mistaken as Secretor is to get blood in the saliva.


The saliva test is reliable, but like all tests there are ways to get false results.

One way to get a false nonsecretor is when water (or other liquid) from the mouth is tested rather than saliva.

Other ways to get false nonsecretor is if samples are interchanged along the way and to test for nonsecretor of the wrong blood type.

DNP no longer offers the saliva test. I do not think this is related to any problems with reliability.

The new glycometrics secretor test kits offered by DNP eliminate the possibility of testing for the secretions of a different blood type than the person is. This is because the kits also determine blood type.

http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=TE006


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You never really know what happens to a sample en route.  Temperature extremes, etc.  It was a very long time ago when I did my original test, so different variables may have been at play back then.  


Type O+ blogger, secretor afterall. Gluten intolerant. With two gluten intolerant sons:  A+ Secretor 10 yo (also fructose intolerant and slightly egg allergic), and  O- 7yo.
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I'm actually glad that it was wrong the first time, because I didn't go gluten free or dairy free until I went on the O-non diet...  As a celiac hunter that was a very good thing.  So maybe it was just destiny...my getting a celiac dx has helped so many of my relatives shave off years of misery.


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Too old a saliva sample can also give a false negative (a secretor could test as a non-secretor) if all the secretor chemicals break down before it's tested.

Also, if you think you're an O, they'll test your saliva for O secretions. If you're actually an A or a B, then they'll still be testing for O secretions, which won't be there. You'll test as a non-secretor, even if you're an A or  B secretor. That problem has been eliminated with the blood test that checks for blood type and secretor status in one test.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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The old test was sent back when DHL was a carrier, and I wasn't as careful about timing.  This time I collected it and sent it immediately on a Monday, so no weekend to slow it down... I also made sure my gums were healthy so there would be no blood in the sample (waited a month after positive dentist appt and flossed regularly, but not the morning I did the collection).  So I was pretty careful this time.

My blood test, which cast doubt on my original saliva test, was probably more comparable to the new test, but a blood draw at a lab. It tested blood type and Lewis type.  The clinic said that's what they go by, but the word on the forum was that the saliva test is more accurate, so I eventually re-did it.


Type O+ blogger, secretor afterall. Gluten intolerant. With two gluten intolerant sons:  A+ Secretor 10 yo (also fructose intolerant and slightly egg allergic), and  O- 7yo.
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Quoted from ruthiegirl
Too old a saliva sample can also give a false negative (a secretor could test as a non-secretor) if all the secretor chemicals break down before it's tested.
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The old test was sent back when DHL was a carrier, and I wasn't as careful about timing.
Extremely interesting thread  - as I have posted before - when I did my secretor test I was visiting in Aus in summer & when the result was not reported on for over 2 weeks I sent an enquiry... They told me it had got lost & sent me another test vial etc... I then sent that back but it was 3-4 weeks after the original had been sent in... They then said they found the original lost sample & sent me the test results for that one??!! Waste of $50 in my opinion, as I could never be sure it was an accurate result & if I was a secretor it would have me as an Explorer (which I pretty well am) but if I was really a nonnie, I have those issues instead - so much of a muchness in my case anyway...
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Possum, I had the same issues, time delay, lost only mine then found a few weeks later we all came back as non secretors (i wasted $200 on tests and express postage).
I do so much better on the secretor diet so sent a blood sample to the UK, results were secretor!  
Now I have to get the rest of the family retested via blood sample... end cost through having to do both types will be hundreds of dollars but i just want it to be a true result, i really don't trust the saliva test.
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Wow Serenity?! Was that Pathlabs in Melbourne? So many horror stories - no wonder they are no longer operating?!
I also find certain things on the O diet that I do better with if I follow the secretor recommendations...
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No, Pathlabs are no longer doing secretor tests, i sent the saliva samples to the US via express courier.  The only options for Aussies is to send saliva to US or blood samples to the UK.  I was assured that the samples i sent to US would still be viable.
I can believe my husband is a non secretor but i am a bit annoyed because i still don't know about my sons for sure as I didn't want to pay for all the tests again & the postage is so expensive.
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