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A long term history of tooth decay-is this a strong indication of non-secretor status? I read on this website that type A secretors have the lowest incidence of tooth decay of all blood types, so wouldn't it stand to reason that a type A with numerous dental problems over the years would likely be a non-secretor?

I'd like to hear if there are others on this forum that are confirmed secretors have had significant tooth decay or gum issues, particularly type A's (I'm not just talking about a few minor cavities or gum sensitivity issues).


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I'm guessing this is most likely a characteristic of a nonnie, but I suppose it's possible a secretor could regularly eat and drink foods high in sugar while not properly brushing well or removing the sugars off their teeth continuously and therefore end up with frequent cavities.

Still, I suppose we all know people who fit that description who never seem to have tooth or gum issues.


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Adopted4, I agree diet is a big factor also. Lin


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Nothing is definitive for secretor status but the lab test itself.

I don't have gum disease and haven't had a cavity in over 20 years. However, I do have a mouth full of mercury fillings from when I was a teenager. Once I started consistently brushing and flossing, and stopped consuming so much sugar, I stopped getting new cavities- even when I ate completely wrong for my type (I was a vegetarian for a few years.)


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And I'm a secretor who has had trouble with my teeth off and on. Without any reason that I can find. I've never been a large sugar eater, and we always brushed our teeth. My mother had bad teeth so maybe genes have a place as well.


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O-non with 28 years of perfect dental health... knock on wood.


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Eric, I'm curious about something. Do you know if you had sealants put on your teeth as a child when your new permanent teeth were in? This is a common practice these days to help prevent decay from forming on the surface of the teeth. There was no such thing available when I was a child, and since you're about half-way inbetween my age and the ages of my older children I'd like to know if it was available to you and your parents had it done?

My confirmed non-secretor son has not had problems with tooth decay (I think 1 or 2 small cavities in 10 years) and I credit that to the sealants that were put on his teeth years ago.

My dh and I were just discussing that today, and even though we have concerns about the chemicals used to make the sealants (particularly for an Explorer such as he), perhaps its still worth it in the long run. The dental work I've had to undergo in recent years as a result of old cracking fillings and teeth because so much of the tooth has been drilled away has been quite extensive. Even a crown I had for a long time because of a past root canal (I have 4) started developing decay under it and had to be replaced. YIKES EXPENSIVE! My dentist said that kind of thing doesn't happen much and couldn't explain why decay was forming on the tooth away from the gumline where there is no exposure to food or drink. Probably a non-secretor thing, I would guess, and I've been having a hard time justifying the expense of a secretor test when there seem to be other factors pointing to a non-secretor status for me. Eventually I will take the secretor test, but for now money is tight and I seem to be doing very well with my SWAMI giving me non-secretor food values.




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Just asked my mom, and she said yes, all of my brothers and I had sealants.


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Thanks Eric! I believe there have been considerable improvements in dental care over the decades, although I don't agree with the ADA's position on amalgam fillings and flouride treatments. Some people do suffer from fluoride and mercury toxicity and for those reasons our family no longer allows dentists to do fluoride treatments or use amalgam fillings when one of us has a cavity.

For the record, my mom had major gum disease as a young adult that resulted in her having all her teeth pulled (even while she was pregnant!). I'm willing to bet I inherited that non-secretor gene from her.


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Sure thing.  I agree, every institutionalized health paradigm has its positives & negatives.  And I'm also very curious to know which parent I received my nonnie gene from...


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Quoted from Eric
And I'm also very curious to know which parent I received my nonnie gene from...


Both. Unless you were asking a different question.

I'm guessing you don't know your parent's secretor status? Could be sec or non if you are nonnie.
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I have no idea how the secretor gene is inherited.  My parents haven't been tested, though they probably would if I bought the kit for them.


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I don't know that much, I am an O, probably non secretor, and have always suffered dental problems, fillings, gum rececssion, bleeding.
It has gotten better since reducing down intake of cane sugar, processed shop bought items, wheat, bread.
I floss everyday. and limit fruits, esp dried fruit - have cut down on sweeteners.  I also pay more attention to bowel/colon health, I take some triphala tablets (big in India) which helps move out body wastes every day; intestinal health can be related to dental/oral health.
plus drink green and ginger teas, etc
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Quoted from Eric
I have no idea how the secretor gene is inherited.


Secretor is dominant. Therefore you got the recessive (non-secretor) from both parents.

However, either or both parents may be secretors since each might carry a single dominant secretor gene.

A more complete explanation of genes, dominant and recessive and how they are passed along would be easy to find on the internet or at a library if you are inclined to discover more.

An example from IfHI training would be that A and B bloodtypes are both dominant while O is recessive.
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I'm guessing my dad was the nonnie and my mom is a secretor.  She is 94 and has all of her teeth.  My dad had terrible teeth.


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I am a secreter and have horrible teeth. I am lucky I have them I guess.
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Quoted from DoS
I am a secreter and have horrible teeth. I am lucky I have them I guess.


Have you tried oil pulling?


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DoS, do you know if you had sealants applied to your permanent teeth as a child? Would you describe yourself as a grazer, that is someone that continually eats or drinks throughout the day? My daughter once had a pediatric dentist emphasize the importance of not grazing as it breaks down the enamel on the teeth and actually has more implications on tooth decay than actual brushing habits.


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DoS, do you know if you had sealants applied to your permanent teeth as a child? Would you describe yourself as a grazer, that is someone that continually eats or drinks throughout the day? My daughter once had a pediatric dentist emphasize the importance of not grazing as it breaks down the enamel on the teeth and actually has more implications on tooth decay than actual brushing habits.


I think it is because of having a problem with wheat and gut flora balance from an early age.

Graze? Sometimes, but only if I'm visiting my parents essentially. When I was young I did, but now I just cook meals for myself.
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Quoted from Lloyd


Secretor is dominant. Therefore you got the recessive (non-secretor) from both parents.

However, either or both parents may be secretors since each might carry a single dominant secretor gene.



Thank you, did not know this!  I suspect both of my parents might be secretors.


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As an infant I had scarlet fever and I remember my dentist telling me when I was young that I would always have to be careful with my teeth as the enamel had been compromised by the illness. I never bothered much with cleaning my teeth and had a lot of fillings - root canal first after my first child aged 28. Have a mouth full of fillings/crowns etc. My current dentist always had to give my teeth a good clean annually and remind me to floss etc. I followed BodyTrim for 3 years (high protein-low carb but lots of veges and minimum fruit/sugars.) I was blown away by his comment after 12 months that my teeth were not so full of plaque as usual and to keep doing what I was doing. I thought it was the water I was drinking (over 2 litres every day) but it was also the change in sugar.

I have had a lot of dental work recently and had one crooked tooth removed 2 years ago and braces put on to get the teeth in line again. I have sensitive teeth and now clean/floss and use the little special brushes to get between the teeth to keep them as clean as possible at least 3 times a day. I believe diet ie basic lifestyle of too much sugar and not enough cleaning and drinking water daily contributed to my teeth issues.
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Just FYI; I'm a nonnie and never had any dental problems at all.
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I'm sure it's not a given that all or even most nonnies will experience tooth decay or gum issues. There are plenty other manifestations of being a nonnie, some of which aren't a problem for me such as insulin resistance and cholesterol/trygliceride problems. Or maybe some people on these forums are simply very young and aren't old enough to start experiencing receding gums or sensitivities. Even though I've suffered from cavities all my life, it's only been in recent years that I've really suffered from gum inflammation and had a hygienist tell me I have receding gums. I think its the ones that start suffering from decay at a young age and continue through adulthood that statistically have a higher chance of being a nonnie, but obviously not everyone is, as we've all learned from this thread.

DoS, I find it interesting that you associate your teeth problems with eating wheat because one of my type O sisters firmly believes that being gluten free for many years has spared her a lot of dental problems. I don't doubt that.

Patty, I used to do oil pulling years ago with sunflower or coconut oil. It seemed to energize me and often got rid of migraine headaches. I got out of the habit though and I don't really feel a need to do it anymore since I don't get headaches very much as long as I stick to my diet and continue daily supplementing of quercetin.

Del, I don't think I've ever seen you post so I want to say hello and hope to hear more from you in the future. You found out just like the rest of us that good nutrition has immeasurable benefits. Some of us only wish we knew that when we were younger. But as someone once said "Better late than never".

Good for you KimonoKat having your mercury fillings removed. That had to be quite a hassle and expense, but I agree that there are potential health hazards with amalgam fillings. Some of mine have been replaced by composite fillings or have simply been crowned after being root canaled, but I still have some amalgams.

Damon and Eric, you guys are really the lucky ones (at least for now anyway)!

Perhaps I didn't even have to start this thread because yesterday my dh and I were discussing how to spend a substantial amount of Christmas money given to the whole family. I have been persuading my dh to get a SWAMI and secretor test as he has more significant health issues than I, although not life-threatening right now. If indeed he agrees that it will be a good investment to buy a SWAMI and secretor test for himself, then we may just buy a second test for me. I've enjoyed and appreciated learning from all of you that have contributed to this thread during this busy holiday season.


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Adopted - From memory I'm pretty sure gum disease/inflammation is a lack of a certain minerals or vitamins - Let's see:
Zinc & small quantities of selenium help stimulate antibodies to fight infection, (which should be taken in conjunction with vitamins A and E) Calcium and magnesium & CoQ10 are beneficial in treating a number of health problems, including oral health...
A deficiency in vitamin C can also be one of the conditions that contribute to gingivitis and ultimately to periodontal disease...

Read more: Vitamins for Gum Disease | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/about_5376647_vitamins-gum-disease.html#ixzz2GCkA93U0

& hi to you Del!!!




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Possum, the article is very interesting. The part about Vitamin A and the correllation with gum disease is not something I heard before. My older daughter was born with a malformed eye and is therefore blind in her right eye. I did know that Vitamin A deficiencies were relatively common in Asians and therefore probably had a lot to do with her condition, but I didn't think that it was somehow related to her mouthful of cavities as a very young toddler. She had dental restoration at the age of 2 and had a total of 9 cavities, 4 of which were root canaled and crowned. She is 9 years old now and just recently lost one of her root canaled molars. She got an extra special surprise from the tooth fairy because she lost her baby tooth and crown. Thanks to sealants and good dental hygiene, her teeth have been very good with the exception of one small cavity around the age of 6 which was just before the sealants were put on (it didn't even require novacane). It is very likely that she is a nonnie, so for now we follow the O nonnie diet for her.  


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Grazing on raw veggies won't cause tooth decay.


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"Grazing on raw veggies won't cause tooth decay".



I agree, with maybe the exception of carrots or sweet bell peppers. But offering veggies as a snack is not something I do a whole lot because of the work involved. We do plenty of raw veggies with lunches and dinner in the form of salads.

My husband and I did and sent our secretor tests today, so it will be nice to find out for sure. I keep having these nagging thoughts that I could be type AB, even though my mom wrote in my baby book that I"m A- . I've heard people give warnings on these discussion boards to be sure to do a recent and accurate blood test to determine blood type to ensure the correct diet. I suppose I kind of ignored that advice because my health is so much better than before following a type A diet. It has also been said that a person shouldn't do the strength tests in the genotype diet book that don't match their own blood types, but I have a lot of Nomad characteristics. Something Dr. D emphasized about Nomads was their vulnerability to temperature and barometric changes, something I can very much attest to. Of course, that doesn't mean others won't have those vulnerabilities.

Anyway, I'm sure it's unlikely I'm anything other than an A-. I appreciate that the secretor test can be analyzed with blood type to ensure an accurate test result.  Although, I thoroughly hate getting blood drawn as well as all the squeezing necessary to get enough drops of blood in the vile. I'm sure in the end it will be worth the expense and effort.


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I have had horrid dental problems - my childhood dentist over-filled my teeth and I was told by another dentist to expect them to crumble, crack & break - well now teeth that were not filled nor had cavities are crumbling, breaking, and dying.  

So glad to have found Dr. D'Adamo, but wish I would have found him sooner.  I have no real chewing surfaces left, so I chew with my incisors.   I have been concerned and tried to find answers as to why my teeth have disintegrated over the years, and when I read of that tendency of nonnies as well as my many health issues on my blood type alone, I KNEW I'd finally found REALITY!    

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Yes, Lapisrose, I have the same cracking and breaking teeth thing going on. However, I had the secretor test done after this thread went away in January and I found I"m a secretor. I can only imagine how much worse my teeth would be if I was a nonnie, but then of course, I could have been wearing dentures like my mom does.

My nonnie son doesn't have problems with tooth decay, and I hope he takes care of his health as he is on the verge of manhood and could potentially have decay issues in the future if he doesn't take proper care of them.


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I have great teeth- not so great gums, but they are improving - just switched to a battery powered child's toothbrush and fixed the gum problem and I am a nonnie A+


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