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Eric
Thursday, December 13, 2012, 8:22pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Just wondering if anyone knows, or has heard of, a type O with high cortisol.  And if so, how does one go about balancing this, since frequent/intense exercise exacerbates the symptoms.  It's a long story, and I haven't had my levels checked, but this is turning into quite an epiphany.


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nope dearle- almost catecholamines will be the culprit the same forrrr US da A2B nonnies ............


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I get that occasionally.  I believe in one of Dr. D's books he says that O's generally manage stress pretty well but when the cortisol does get high it's hard to clear it.  I take Catechol pretty regularly to help with stress.
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I merely think this was meant about A's and their higher cortisol levels....


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All people produce cortisol, and every single person responds to stress with their own threshold, handling cortisol and adrenaline and clearing it with varying times.  When i have pushed past my limit of stress before ()pysical and mental), i stay awake and alert and do not sleep for more than 3 hours or so.  I have never stayed like this to the point of exhaustion fortunatly...i have trouble clearing both cortisol and adrenaline (joy of being an explorer!)  

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You may have already looked up info online but here is some basic info of both key stress hormones.

Coritsol: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cortisol

Adrenaline:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrenaline
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Thanks for the input.  I've been reading quite a lot the last few years about the stress hormones - mostly the catecholamines.  And yes, I am constantly struggling to keep my adrenaline/noradrenaline levels in check.  Catechol does help, as well as vigorous exercise.  But here's the issue...  I've never been able to maintain any kind of vigorous cardiovascular or weight training regiment because I end getting sick.  It's been like this my whole life.

Recently I noticed that after I did an intense 20 mile ride in the frigid cold, I hurt my lower back and couldn't sleep because of the pain (all things that can raise cortisol).  The next few days, although my back was fine again, my insulin levels were through the roof during the night, and I couldn't get back into a normal sleeping pattern.  Then all these symptoms that I used to have, though experience much less frequently now, returned:  Fatigue, muscle loss, apathy, brain fog, feeling like I'm getting sick, numbness/tingling in extremities, insomnia, loss of appetite, insulin resistance, frequent urination, social disinterest, lightheadedness, headaches, heartburn.  All your classic high cortisol problems, that I never have when I'm under catecholamine (adrenaline) stress; except maybe the heartburn.

My brothers and I, and especially our father, all have fat around our abdomen.  I'm a pretty lean guy, but have always had a belly.  Another cortisol trait.  Also, my childhood was filled with more stress and anger than not unfortunately, having been raised in a large family that ate poorly and put religion above relationships.

So I think the epiphany was realizing my entire life, I've not only dealt with adrenaline/noradrenaline stress, but when I've felt like the above, it was actually cortisol.  I think I'm constantly juggling the two stress hormones and teetering from one to the other.  Hence why I've never been able to work out longer than a few days without getting ill & needing two weeks to recover.

That's why I can't help but feel like there must be some exceptions to the A-Cortisol, O-Catecholamines rule.  I'm tremendously in tune with my body at this point, and know exactly when I'm dealing with too much adrenaline.  I can tell you with certainty that these periodic 5-day (give or take) "funks" are most definitely not the same.  And then reading all these symptoms of hypercorticism, nodding my head like "yep... yep... YEP"... I can't help but wonder.


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I wonder if one of the "best for As" supplements would work for you in your specific situation, such as holy basil/tulsi.


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Well, fortunately this only happens after a serious stress load.  Or when I'm extremely financially burdened.  Would be nice to have something to get me through it though!


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Quoted from Eric
Just wondering if anyone knows...since frequent/intense exercise exacerbates the symptoms.


I'm just wondering if 4 days of "regular" exercise and one day of intense might be your ticket.

Are you letting yourself get hungry most of the time?

Do you let yourself veg on the couch after a particularly rough day?

Keeping control of your thoughts when stressed is huge.


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Would Cortiguard harm an O?


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Quoted from Melissa_J
Would Cortiguard harm an O?


Harm? No. Help, maybe?

I'd like to point out there is a potential that when he exercises his body could be dealing with a slightly more latent problem that otherwise keeps his system mild depressed and susceptible to stress. Increases in health can be met with the "detox" affect. (like how some get diarrhea but it is a good thing)

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it all depends of the dosage to become a poison .....


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I agree with lola about the liver, or maybe a herb for helping the kidneys.  Even drinking green tea can reverse stress, not sure if it is as beneficial for an O hunter as an A explorer, but Dr. D says it is good for everyone. Decaf would prob be better right now, or some herbal tea of some type.  Maybe even mate or something.

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Eric you have the best at your disposal-- please reconsider taking a trip to  Conn with me.


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Thanks for the tips, everyone.  I think the problem is that the O in me wants to stay constantly fired up, motivated, working and achieving... but the (epigenetically tweaked) cortisol susceptibility keeps me constantly getting burned out.  I feel like I got the short end of the stick.  

Yes, meditation, peace, chilling out, etc is great, and works wonders when I'm on vacation, but entirely impractical for daily living.  I have to work to survive, which means I have to stay focused & driven.  Which means I can't have my head in the clouds.

Lola, the liver flush was tremendously helpful to me years ago when I was experiencing the worst of my symptoms.  But I believe it was the magnesium from the epsom salts helping, not the "flush" part.  Now that I take Mg every day, I find that the liver flush doesn't do anything special.

Anyway, I feel fine now that the stress has cleared, I just needed to say something since I had this epiphany.  I recognize that the latest episode was triggered by physical trauma/stress and lack of sleep, and not emotionally.  But I will definitely keep in mind the meditation, relaxing, and thought control.


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Another note, I was reading that DHEA is used to lower cortisol.  There is scholarly research verifying this effect:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12544381

Anyone have experience with this testosterone precursor?


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It's all about balance. This can be confusing. And I am likely less informed than many on this forum.

However, perhaps my experience will be helpful, but may not address Eric's situation. I am an O nonnie, like Eric. And I tend to measure my energy level by how much I can exercise, often biking. Every time I think I have conditioned my body to ride beyond 20 miles, I hit a wall. I often feel driven to accomplish stuff, frustrated when I don't have the stamina I think I need. I vascillate between the twitchiness of a Hunter and my less energetic Explorer self. I experience the same fatigue, muscle loss, social disinterest, brain fog, etc. I had attributed these to an autoimmune disease.


I was diagnosed with adrenal insufficiency and my symptoms tend toward the Addison's end of the spectrum. Eric's may be different--perhaps toward the Cushing's end?  

http://www.womentowomen.com/adrenalhealth/adrenalhormonedysfunction-symptoms.aspx#spectrum

My AM cortisol is low and I am currently taking DHEA twice daily, in contrast to the study in the link, where subjects took one dose/day.
At age 60, I am still trying to make peace with the struggle Eric describes.
In recent years, I have learned not to push myself to the point of exhaustion, as I did for many years. But that is also a function of my developmental stage of life.  




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Uninformed use guarantees a perturbance of the molecular system.


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What constitutes Informed use?--and I don't mean that in a flippant way.

The doctor who prescribed DHEA, from a compounding pharmacy, has been more wholistic than any other I have seen and I trust her judgement more than others'. The DHEA prescription came after a saliva test. I also take licorice.  The plan is to taper off after a couple of months.
I am leery of much in the world of allopathic medicine.
I am also following the Dr D's fatigue protocol.  




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What constitutes Informed use?


being guided by a specialist, no?


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Quoted from Eric
Another note, I was reading that DHEA is used to lower cortisol.  There is scholarly research verifying this effect:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12544381

Anyone have experience with this testosterone precursor?


I take a couple of products from Metagenics. I hope it is ok to mention other products not sold by Dr. D here    I take Adreset which helps with cortisol and Symphora which helps with DHEA.  Check them out to see if they might help you.  Maybe Dr. D offers a similar product but I do not know about them if he does.  The Symphora and Adreset seem to work really well for me and it shows up in my blood work as proof!  I have these issues as well, Eric, so it is not just the A's.  We are all individuals.  My Mom is an A so maybe I get these characteristics from her.


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