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Averno
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Regular dentists suck. Sorry to put it so plainly.

Fluoride, mercury, root canals, x-raying - and they sure make a lot of money!

Go to one of those holistic dentists. It's worth the extra money.


My dentist tries to foist root canals and procedures on me at every turn. He does good work where I allow it, but I have to keep him on a short leash. I read somewhere that as much as 50% of such procedures are exploratory. Meaning "let's go in and see if this is really necessary".

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My dentist tries to foist root canals and procedures on me at every turn. He does good work where I allow it, but I have to keep him on a short leash. I read somewhere that as much as 50% of such procedures are exploratory. Meaning "let's go in and see if this is really necessary".


I've read plenty of horror stories about dentists that are just like you describe. I pity people who get taken to the cleaners by them. It is hard to imagine a dentist wanting to do a root canal unless it was an absolute last resort.


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I would still love to know if Dr. D has any particular views on this subject of root canals.

I am asking because of this article that I got recently via email:

http://articles.mercola.com/si.....amp;et_rid=509178817

You can watch the video instead.


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Root canals, if done well, are generally well-tolerated, despite the hysterical pronouncements. However, they fundamentally only postpone the inevitable, as the tooth, now dead, cannot remineralize, so eventually it just wears out or cracks.


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Root canal is a waste of money-- better to just go for the implant learned that the hard way--- but will never have a root canal again.


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Thinks, I've never had one so now I won't.  


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Root canal is a waste of money-- better to just go for the implant learned that the hard way--- but will never have a root canal again.


I had a root canal done in 1990 that is doing just fine, thank you. Never had a problem with it.

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I had a root canal done in 1990 that is doing just fine, thank you. Never had a problem with it.

I have some older than that, and so far they are still doing great. I suppose a lot of problems people had with implants a long time ago have been weeded out now, hopefully they have, but I've known people whose doctor cracked the bone trying to "install" the things, and they were inflicted with major sinus problems for the rest of their lives. I'm sure that thousands of them have been "installed" correctly, though, or they wouldn't still be doing them.


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Root canals, if done well, are generally well-tolerated, despite the hysterical pronouncements. However, they fundamentally only postpone the inevitable, as the tooth, now dead, cannot remineralize, so eventually it just wears out or cracks.


In the process of a root canal all living material is cleaned out of the roots and they are filled with--well some sort of filling material.  The tooth is now dead. Given enough time encapsulated abscesses may form down at the tips of the roots.  These do not show up with the x-ray equipment that most dentist offices have.  The endodontist will have more precise equipment, or in my case the holistic dentist I finally resorted to had such (expensive) equipment.  And, as DrD says, the tooth will cease to mineralize and eventually will fail--in most cases.  I guess one has to live long enough.

I had 4 teeth with root canals. All done by an endodontist--because I believe in specialists for such procedures.  One of these molars ending up cracking--and two others formed those little abscesses down in the roots.  Mind you, regardless of the state of your immune system, the roots are now dead and filled with artificial material and thus the roots are now more prone to infection than they ever were when alive.  

I now have one root canaled tooth left and will have that removed before it gives me trouble.  At the time my rooted canaled teeth were extracted I had bone grafts put in.  Simple procedure that rebuilds the bone and keeps the gums from shrinking away--and sets the stage for the implants.  

To look at my mouth--my teeth are beautiful and I have cared for them well--but still had had so many large fillings in my back molars as a child and eventually those traumatized teeth will fail.  I have to agree with DrD here.  If I had it to do over again, I would have skipped the root canal stage (which did buy me about 20+ years), bite the bullet and go for implants.

So many people have those little abscesses forming that are not picked up by any but the most sophisticated x-ray equipment.  And those abscesses will run down our systems and lead to much larger healthy problems.  

Bottom line--a root canaled tooth is a dead tooth.

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Bottom line--a root canaled tooth is a dead tooth.



The bottom line is actually to take care of your teeth and gums so as to minimize the potential for later trouble.

Everything else that follows is a matter of personal preference and affordability. There is plenty of room for error with implants. It is also possible to get an abscessed implant as well. (peri-implantitis)

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Success or failure of implants depends on the health of the person receiving it, drugs which impact the chances of osseointegration and the health of the tissues in the mouth. The amount of stress that will be put on the implant and fixture during normal function is also evaluated. Planning the position and number of implants is key to the long-term health of the prosthetic since biomechanical forces created during chewing can be significant. The position of implants is determined by the position and angle of adjacent teeth, lab simulations or by using computed tomography with CAD/CAM simulations and surgical guides called stents. The prerequisites to long term success of osseointegrated dental implants, are healthy bone and gingiva. Since both can atrophy after tooth extraction pre-prosthetic procedures, such as sinus lifts or gingival grafts, are sometimes required to recreate ideal bone and gingiva.

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Given enough time encapsulated abscesses may form down at the tips of the roots.  These do not show up with the x-ray equipment that most dentist offices have.  The endodontist will have more precise equipment, or in my case the holistic dentist I finally resorted to had such (expensive) equipment.  And, as DrD says, the tooth will cease to mineralize and eventually will fail--in most cases.  I guess one has to live long enough. Bottom line--a root canaled tooth is a dead tooth.  


The regular dentists I go to and have gone to certainly have and had the "equipment" to see anything worth seeing in a person's mouth. I had an abscess form on the tip of a tooth with a root canal, the dentist found it right away, removed it, and I have never had a problem with it since. That was well over  twenty-five years ago. I would think the longevity of the "fix" speaks for itself.


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I had a root canal done in 1990 that is doing just fine, thank you. Never had a problem with it.



Maybe not you Llyod--

But loads of us have had a problem at some point.

Mine lasted 15 years but finally needed to be replaced after it cracked.

no one size fits all answer here--







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Mine lasted 15 years but finally need to be replaced.

no one size fits all answer here--





Exactly. As I said above it's a matter of personal choice, hopefully with a view to related issues that could influence the decision.

And 15 years is fairly substantial in my view. I wouldn't view that as a failed treatment.
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I wonder if there are not as many or more websites loaded with horror stories about implants as there are about root canals, and root canals are sure a lot cheaper! I just took a glance at some of those horror stories, and it is plain scary. Then, there are plenty of problems with bridges out there too.

There was an article in the Readers Digest some years ago about someone going around the country to different dentists to get work done on his mouth. To start with, he didn't have ANY problems but a good number of the dentists DID find "problems!" One even pronounced that to fix his mouth it would cost upwards of $25,000!! So it surely pays to know your dentist!


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The cost of root canal -- is very high the cost of the implant is very high. Given the choice i would have preferred to pay once.

I paid for  a root canal and an implant, I am sure there are regional differences in cost.

I will never have a root canal again-- I prefer to pay once rather then twice.

Lloyd did I do something to you that causes you to sort of pick on everything I say?

I apologize if I did-- but in the last few months you have decided that everything I say is some how a point of disagreement.  

Why not just delete my comments if you are unhappy with them.
  


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Lloyd did I do something to you that causes you to sort of pick on everything I say?

I apologize if I did-- but in the last few months you have decided that everything I say is some how a point of disagreement.  

Why not just delete my comments if you are unhappy with them.
  



I wonder if maybe you are taking things personally that shouldn't be. Be Happy.

And I certainly don't delete comments just because they make me unhappy. If I have a reason to make a point of disagreement with anything,  the idea that I could or would delete someone's comments for frivolous reasons would definitely be one.
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Speaking for myself Lloyd--the fact that I had failed root canals--or the fact that I needed them in the first place--had nothing to do with lack of oral hygiene or regular trips to the dentist.  I guess it all boils down to having an allowing immune system--a system that seems to harbor low level pathogens--BTD or not.  

Andrea and I seem to have had similar root canal experiences.  My abscessed tooth apparently lingered on for years without giving off any signals of pain.  But my body was sickened and running down.  Was it the cause of my breast cancer a year before the tooth was identified as a problem--I don't know.  The holistic dentist thought so.  Not sure I'd go that far, but the low level infection made me sick all over, evidenced by how much better I felt after its removal.

So excuse Andrea and me for our attitudes toward root canals.  And I think it's great for all those people who will never have issues.  But maybe this thread will help just a few who may need the head's up.
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My abscessed tooth apparently lingered on for years without giving off any signals of pain.


I'm glad that the implants worked out for you.

As you say, they will be right for some people while others will not need them. There are advantages and disadvantages to both approaches. There is a lot to consider.

Personal experiences are important. Both yours and mine.





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Andrea and I seem to have had similar root canal experiences.  My abscessed tooth apparently lingered on for years without giving off any signals of pain.  But my body was sickened and running down.  Was it the cause of my breast cancer a year before the tooth was identified as a problem--I don't know.  The holistic dentist thought so.  Not sure I'd go that far, but the low level infection made me sick all over, evidenced by how much better I felt after its removal.

A lot scarier is you could have died from a heart attack. We have a friend who WAS a dentist, and he had some dental work done by another dentist. Our friend didn't know it, but he had a valve problem that caused him to come almost to within a breath of death from severe infection. He was left very disabled to the point that he had to give up his well-established practice entirely. Very sad indeed.


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But the truth of the matter of this whole discussion is that whatever procedure is chosen THERE ARE RISKS. There is no getting around it. I was going through tremendous stress in my life when I developed the abscess on my root canal. Did that have anything to do with it happening? I don't know, but we have learned too much this far not to know that stress can even be a killer, let alone influence dental problems. So, again, we are all different. And sometimes we are simply more lucky than we feel we deserve. Every time I get that thumb's up from my dentist after a checkup, I feel very lucky indeed! He checks my lymph glands, my thyroid and my sinuses - every time. And, occasionally, he checks for cancer of the mouth. He is a great guy.


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Of course it's ideal to keep your teeth healthy and not need root canals or implants- but we don't live in an ideal world. Many of us have health issues left over from before we knew about BTD, including oral health problems.


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Of course it's ideal to keep your teeth healthy and not need root canals or implants- but we don't live in an ideal world.


Anyone who lives long enough will have dental issues. That's a given. No one is arguing that a person did or didn't take care of their teeth. Good oral hygiene will help delay the inevitable whatever your past history in that area is.

And there are other options. Bridges were mentioned. I know someone who is going to have all their teeth pulled and get fitted for dentures.
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