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OK, so if step one is "make sure the child has enough calories" then I'm even more hesitant to cut out the chocolate chips! She does seem pretty intuitive about which foods do and don't agree with her. She craves apples, which are an Explorer superfood. She doesn't seem to like any nuts or seeds. She does eat plenty of meat- not too much at one time, but she never feels satisfied if we don't have meat so we have it almost every day, and plenty of cheese and/or fish on other days. I make sure to always have healthy "real food" available to her- veggie soups,  broccolli quiche, and cookies she can take with her to school.

Momotaro- I just reserved that book you suggested, even though it's labeled as a book to help kids with autism- is ADD considered part of the spectrum?

Geminisue- she's not showing any other signs of diabetes, and her pediatrician knows about the diabetes in the family. I think she  gets the A1C blood test every 2-3 years.

DOS- I would be very surprised if she turned out to be a Hunter. She's about 4'10" tall and 130 lbs, wearing a woman's size 6-8. All her height is in her torso- when sitting down, she doesn't look so short. Even without actually measuring her, I can tell you her torso is longer than her legs. Besides, looking at her food preferences and aversions, she seems to fit the Explorer diet more than the Hunter or Gatherer diet.


I disagree with most hunters have longer legs. That might be true with patients Dr. D sees because of better meat quality throughout history, but today good luck finding them in high frequency (if really any) in the younger generations. People my age with longer legs than torso almost don't exists.

However Explorer would be just as likely with issues. The description of eating habits however very much so are what the Hunter profile talks about. You would know nearly right away by checking D24 ratio. If I am not mistaken no women without both D4's are never Hunters - at least without swami or something you won't get it.
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I would keep her away from the apples,

If funds are tight i would get her on a multi mineral rather than a multi vitamin.

I know it's easier for me as Emily is much younger but she is going to have to start eating the right foods and being less picky (easier said than done, but be creative) step it up a few notches.

i highly recommend trying a teaspoon of flax oil in the mornings, perhaps give her choices a salad (with olive oil pesto of some sort or a teaspoon of flax oil) either way is better than nothing although the flax oil was a game changer for Emily.

as far as the apple juice in the morning is concerned - that's pure fructose - and i would up the anti and get it to terrorist mode- no cookies, no juice would be bought in fact that is exactly what I'm doing for myself now.

it will be tough for a few weeks no doubt but i challenge you to bot buy any juice, only buy compliant fruit like plums, banana, and only a few of each.

We went through a really tough week once when Emily wouldn;t eat anything green at all, we said that it she didn't eat it she couldn;t be hungry and that she wold get nothing else - sounds cruel, but it was true, now we never have a problem. i imagine at 15 you are goon to have your work cut out for you but that is the only way to get this corrected, it is Now or every other months for ever. you decide which darling. peace and love

I keep saying that you are going to have to get her into a good sleeping habit, so naps are not so good.

the virus will go if she get less sugar whether from sweets or wheat or apple juice.

So to conclude Stop buying cookies, and juice, just make compliant food, make pizza only when you are all well, (what flour is it make of - regardless it is high in sugar)






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I disagree with most hunters have longer legs. That might be true with patients Dr. D sees because of better meat quality throughout history, but today good luck finding them in high frequency (if really any) in the younger generations. People my age with longer legs than torso almost don't exists.

However Explorer would be just as likely with issues. The description of eating habits however very much so are what the Hunter profile talks about. You would know nearly right away by checking D24 ratio. If I am not mistaken no women without both D4's are never Hunters - at least without swami or something you won't get it.


I actually have longer legs than my torso; I'm also very short.  This is going off topic though.

Ruthie, if you think she's an Explorer and she likes apples, how about an apple with goat cheese and pecans.  All I can think is how demineralizing the chocolate chips may be.  Can Explorers have chocolate?
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Explorers can have chocolate and whey protein IIRC.  But my SWAMI tells me to avoid most dairy.  I guess it assumes Os to be intolerant of lactose.  So to me, chocolate = cocoa or baker's chocolate.

There are non-dairy chocolate chips.  If the child has issues with dairy products, they might help.  I buy them for my vegan daughter, in fact.


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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PC- the cookies aren't bought, they're baked by me from compliant ingredients. Whole spelt flour, eggs, and I can sneak in extra nutrients like ground flax seeds, and I can use honey instead of sugar (though I haven't been doing so lately.) I could call them granola bars if it makes you feel better, but theyr'e less messy when baked as discrete cookies rather than bars.

The chocolate chips are Trader Joe's semi-sweet chocolate chips. Ingredients: cane sugar,chocolate liquor, cocoa  butter, soy lecithin, vanilla extract. They're compliant for Os; my only concern is the quantity of sugar. The pizza is made from whole grain spelt flour. At a typical dinner (when not making pizza) she usually skips the grains entirely and gets her carbs from sweet potatoes.

I can't  "not keep much fruit in the house" when DD1 is supposed to have 3 cups per day on  her SWAMI. And she DOES eat green things; namely broccolli quiche and I put spinach and parsley into the  veggie soups. If I could just get her to eat more

The bottom line is that she's a young adult, not a  big child. I don't have that much control over her, and it would damage our relationship if I tried to micro-manage her diet. I like having  teenagers who can talk to me about anything and everything, and I want to keep it that way.

I need to educate and encourage her to eat better, not force her by intenionally running out of the things she'll actually eat. PC- everything you described is perfectly appropriate when feeding a 4 or 5 year old, which is what you were doing. But it just won't work for a 15yo.


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Perhaps all of this has nothing to do with trying to effect her diet. Perhaps what you need to do is just talk with her and explain your side of how it is giving you stress. If she is a young adult maybe she will start to take on some responsibility once she understands the concerns.
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The thing is, though, that there's something "un-balanced" about her physically. She keeps getting thrown off-balance by relatively minor stresses that can't be avoided. I want to figure out what it is that her body is missing, so that I can share that information with her and help her make healthy changes.


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The thing is, though, that there's something "un-balanced" about her physically. She keeps getting thrown off-balance by relatively minor stresses that can't be avoided. I want to figure out what it is that her body is missing, so that I can share that information with her and help her make healthy changes.


Can she really tolerate grains?  The Explorer genotype isn't one I get really well.  Does she need to exercise do you think?  I had an about face when I was her age when I started doing aerobics but I'm a Hunter.
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The thing is, though, that there's something "un-balanced" about her physically. She keeps getting thrown off-balance by relatively minor stresses that can't be avoided. I want to figure out what it is that her body is missing, so that I can share that information with her and help her make healthy changes.


Blood sugar can certainly do just that. It can make you irritable. Also liver can do that.

Sugar is not good for her... it is going to be bad for blood sugar and liver. Both of which will be increased by lack of exercise.
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All those foods are fine ruthie darling if she were fine, but she is not fine she needs to black dot all those sugars, sugar in spelt, honey, chocolate, soy.

If she is a non secretor then spelt would be an avoid.

Honey is between 52 and 70 fructose. and an avoid for O nonies

sot leitten is and avoid

vanilla is an avoid.

I wouldn't worry so much about adding more greens so much as reducing sugar.

whilst i appreciate what you said about age and i realise Emily is more controllable, I still think you either have to bite the bullet or just keep having problems for ever there is no in between by the sounds of it. i seems you will just go from one crises to another.

the sleeping habits and health problems are i suspect all to do with the sugar that she gets whilst in the house plus perhaps what ever she gets on top of that whilst out of the house.

I would do this regardless of her age.

if she is ill or sleep all day i would not buy any biscuits, I would not provide piazza exceed as a rewards for sleeping successfully all week and going to college. and i would explain this to her. as a parent i would consider it a given to do this.
i would provide only low sugar fruist for the whole family (obviously if at all possible) and you are right i would not punish the other children for the 15' year olsd health problems but I wouldn't let her get the benefits of them being good or else they would learn a very bad lesson.

And of course i would do all of this up front and fairly and i would be very close if ever there was a crisis for moral support.

You know that too much sugar is bad for the immune system and that some children have sleep issue when over loaded with sugar. you know all this as you are thoughtful enough to advise others of this -

I'm gong to email you a book that may be useful to you , with the best of intention as always


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Ruthiegirl:
First of all - a great big pat on the back for all of your efforts with not just DD2 (the subject of this thread), but also for DD1 and SS. Not only are you raising the family single handedly, with a non main stream lifestyle, you also find sufficient time to help the many members of these forums. Thank you.

DD2 is 15. There are many things going on physically, mentally and above all emotionally, as the body develops to attain adulthood. Given her age and present disposition and your preferred household atmosphere, perhaps you are doing all that you can for her, right now.

It may just come down to the old adage about leading a horse to water but one cannot make the horse drink.  

The kids are good. Right? Let us count our blessings and not make this too big of a deal. I have experienced this in my family (3 SS presently aged 23 to 29 - still living at home. The economy will improve. Some day.   )

Keep the communications open. And listen to them! (And no, it is not easy.)

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Ruthiegirl:
First of all - a great big pat on the back for all of your efforts with not just DD2 (the subject of this thread), but also for DD1 and SS. Not only are you raising the family single handedly, with a non main stream lifestyle, you also find sufficient time to help the many members of these forums. Thank you.

DD2 is 15. There are many things going on physically, mentally and above all emotionally, as the body develops to attain adulthood. Given her age and present disposition and your preferred household atmosphere, perhaps you are doing all that you can for her, right now.

It may just come down to the old adage about leading a horse to water but one cannot make the horse drink.  

The kids are good. Right? Let us count our blessings and not make this too big of a deal. I have experienced this in my family (3 SS presently aged 23 to 29 - still living at home. The economy will improve. Some day.   )

Keep the communications open. And listen to them! (And no, it is not easy.)

Hugs to you and your family
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I agree!  I think you are doing a great job!  Your kids are miles ahead of so many their age wrt health an nutrition, I think you're doing great.  Keep on imparting your knowledge, maybe point out that sugar *may* be an issue for dd2, and perhaps come up with an alternative, maybe some extra-dark chocolate rather than the chips (I am familiar w/those TJ's c chips, they are to die for!)    What you share with her *will* sink in, even if you don't see it now.   Keep on keepin' on and keep the lines of communication open.  You're right, you really can't control everything she eats at this point, you can only set the stage for her future habits and provide the best food for her that you are able.  The rest is up to her.
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All those foods are fine ruthie darling if she were fine, but she is not fine she needs to black dot all those sugars, sugar in spelt, honey, chocolate, soy.

If she is a non secretor then spelt would be an avoid.

Honey is between 52 and 70 fructose. and an avoid for O nonies

sot leitten is and avoid

vanilla is an avoid.



Are you saying soy lecithin is an avoid?  It is neutral for blood type O's.



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I thought it was an avoid Victoria, i get confused because it looks like the girl is using a combination of explorer and blood type O diet. and she might be a nonnie since her mum is.

Soy lecithin is an avoid for all of us.


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Ruthie, you and I live parallel lives...we must meet when I get to NYC.

My daughter, like yours, is a super-taster (which I'm sure that you've tested) and is EXTREMELY PICKY about her food. What others don't understand about this situation is that you can't just substitute one thing for another, like dried fruit for chocolate chips.  They simply won't put them in their mouth.  If you somehow manage to get them to take a tiny bite, they will usually gag or even throw up.  This isn't manipulation... this is a physical reaction to the taste, smell and sometimes the mouth-feel of food.  My daughter can, easily, differentiate between different brands of the same item, one being eatable to her and the other not.

I'm not sure that there is a solution to this other than letting them grow up to the point where they can work on their food issues themselves.  What I do, in the meantime, is enforce a few basic rules.  They are:

1) animal protein at each meal (3x per day).  I don't care what protein that is or what form it takes, but it has to be eaten FIRST.  Hard-boiled eggs - whites only, thoroughly cleaned (she has to do that part) - are a staple for this.  I count the whites of 1-1/2 eggs as acceptable.

2) at least 1 real serving, each day, of fruit and 1 serving, each day, of veggies.  Since her options on these are extremely limited, it often means carrot (with ranch dressing) and strawberries (she likes them macerated) ever day, day in and day out.  I just deal with it.

I find that she is completely happy to eat the same things, over and over again.  Luckily, she's just as fussy about sweets as she is about everything else.   For instance, she will ONLY drink water or, occasionally, apple juice.  She'll drink some milk on rare occasions, but doesn't like dairy in general.

I know that these are low standards, but it's been a major battle just to put those into place.  If I were trying to force anything else into place, she simply wouldn't eat.  She's perfectly capable of not eating if the only other option is to try to eat something that makes her gag. If she's at a friend's house and they don't have anything that she eats (she doesn't eat pizza, which is what the other parent's often order if there is a gaggle of girls at their house, for instance, or won't eat a pb&j, if it isn't the correct brand of pb,j or bread), she just won't eat, telling the other parents that she just not hungry.  It's as extreme as the "rain man" character and I often wonder if it is a piece of the puzzle of autism.

Dorothy can be extremely flaky.  I think that that is part of her extreme artistic nature.  However, all of the years and years of dance have developed a part of her brain that is almost computer-like.  And, no, she's not autistic, nor does she have Asperger's.  She's extremely social and interacts well.  But she is a spacey flake a lot of the time (if you ask her a question, she'll, regularly, give you some bizarre answer having to do with something else, someone else or some other time - this happen regularly), yet was consistently tested as Gifted and Talented.  She's popular and has lots of friends, but will often choose to be by herself to read.

I would think that, as suggested by others, getting her involved with something that she loves but that also gets your daughter moving regularly would help.  If you can find the thing that taps into her mentally and emotionally, it might help the "space-out" factor.  Like I said,  Dorothy can be a complete flake, yet she can remember ever piece of choreography that she has ever learned since she was 3.  She can't tell you what she did yesterday in the correct sequence, but can learn a complicated dance combination, in one try, when a teacher simply tells it to her.  She has difficulty reading and following language arts passages (as far as plot and progression), yet can easily, at age 13, do long division of multiple polynomials.  

I truly believe that children of this type posses many of the traits of autistic savants, but are able to function in the real world.  The thing to do is to find what feeds their need for order and brain processing.  Dorothy knew, at age 2, that dance was it for her.  I'm not sure that she would be as well-rounded, social and have such good self-esteem if she didn't have it in her life.

I'm not really offering much advise here...just letting you know that I understand the food issues.  Try to be easy on yourself.  You can only do so much...the rest will have to be addressed by your daughter, either now or in the future.


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Fascinating post, Equipro.  I had some of the same issues with my older son who is now 36.  His thing was music and I don't think it was as extreme.  He was reading at 3, tested at 8th grade level by the 3rd grade.
Ruthie, as I said before, I think you are doing an awesome job with you kids.  It's exhausting, believe me I remember.  Just make sure to take care of yourself.
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This week has been "parent's observation" at her studio, so I have been at all 22 hours of classes, video taping.  As soon as I've gone through the vids and edited them, I'll post a quick clip of the girls learning the ballet combinations.  It's just astounding, and some can "get" it, and some can't...


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OK, so if step one is "make sure the child has enough calories" then I'm even more hesitant to cut out the chocolate chips! She does seem pretty intuitive about which foods do and don't agree with her. She craves apples, which are an Explorer superfood. She doesn't seem to like any nuts or seeds. She does eat plenty of meat- not too much at one time, but she never feels satisfied if we don't have meat so we have it almost every day, and plenty of cheese and/or fish on other days. I make sure to always have healthy "real food" available to her- veggie soups,  broccolli quiche, and cookies she can take with her to school.

Momotaro- I just reserved that book you suggested, even though it's labeled as a book to help kids with autism- is ADD considered part of the spectrum?


How does she eat the chocolate chips?  Plain, straight out of the bag?  If so, would she be satisfied enough if it were incorporated with other ingredients, such as cookies?  If she doesn't seem to like nuts or seeds, what if it were mixed with the chocolate chip cookies into trail mix, would she eat it then?

She currently eats cheese, but has she ever been dairy free?  I know with the blood type diet, some blood types are given the allowance to eat certain dairy.  However, I keep returning to the site dogtorj.com every so often to reconsider what is written there.  It says that powerful, industrial strength glues are made from gluten, casein, and soy (I keep visualizing the one he said about the rearview mirror to the windshield!).  And corn too except it makes for adhesives not as strong (cardboard).  They are so sticky, and that's why they cause trouble in the intestines.  So I don't know, but that site sure has food for thought!  The author of the book also recommends cutting dairy.

Would she eat okra/is it a beneficial for her?  If so, I learned that okra is one of the best foods to "lock" the lectin and it is the gooey substance in the okra that does that.

I don't know if ADD is part of the spectrum, but I don't think it matters..... she can help anyone with nutrition since she is a dietitian.  Actually my son is not on the spectrum either.  He only was/is dealing with food intolerances.  But he was dropping really fast on his growth chart and had too-numerous-to-count symptoms from the food intolerances.  So when someone suggested to me her counseling/book, I looked it up.  

There were several things that made me go for her services.  She is a registered dietitian (vs. a nutritionist) so she has had the accredited schooling and clinical experience, and most likely needs to keep up to date with continuing education.  The best thing that, in my opinion, qualified her (for me to go with her services) is that she also -as a registered dietitian - has had personal experience dealing with this with her own son, and getting frustrated with traditional medical care, she had to search out what really works.  That combo was great in my opinion since I wanted long-term healing, not a quick, short-term band-aid fix, for my son which I knew would not come with "mainstream" doctors or dietitians who do not know about alternative type care (no offense to them... in fact, I have friends who could be considered "mainstream" dietitians).  And then to top it off, I saw that she worked at a place that I had personal, first-hand experience (insider's view) of seeing what kind of employees the company would hire.  So although not necessarily keen on the company itself, I liked the knowledge and quality of  the employees there (at least those that I had contact with/in that department).
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Have you tried Iodine supplementation, (early in the day), to avoid causing being awake at night.



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How does she eat the chocolate chips?  Plain, straight out of the bag?  If so, would she be satisfied enough if it were incorporated with other ingredients, such as cookies?  If she doesn't seem to like nuts or seeds, what if it were mixed with the chocolate chip cookies into trail mix, would she eat it then?
She eats chocolate chips straight out of the bag. If I baked them into cookies, she'd still eat the cookies, but it wouldn't take away from her desire for plain chips at other times. If I made trail mix with the chips, she'd pick out the chips and leave the nuts and seeds. I should probably try to find some dried fruit she'll eat- there was one kind of dried papaya she liked, but only sold in one store that's a 20 minute drive away, in an area without any other needed errands. I haven't been there in months.

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She currently eats cheese, but has she ever been dairy free?
No, she hasn't. I'm nervous about cutting out dairy when I also need to make sure she  gets enough animal protein.

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Would she eat okra/is it a beneficial for her?  If so, I learned that okra is one of the best foods to "lock" the lectin and it is the gooey substance in the okra that does that.
Okra is beneficial or diamond for Os, Hunters, Gatherers, and Explorers. So I guess it would definitely be good for her, but I've never cooked with it and I'm not sure exactly what to do with it, and I have no clue if she'd like it or not.

PC, no, I haven't tried iodine supplementation. I'll see if I an get her to do that iodine patch test when she wakes up this afternoon.



Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  13yo B+ Jack


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Just a few other thoughts about what might help...

*Maybe she has a candida overgrowth from the chocolate chips and would benefit from a homeopathic protocol or some kind of cleanse:
http://www.aquaflorainc.com/

*She does need to lose 15 lbs & the only way is to make her eat the diet and exercise.  I was 15 lbs overweight at her age which caused me a lot of problems socially.  She needs to learn something about fitness even if it's just doing something like Zumba dancing.  The concern is that if she goes away to school (or whatever her post hs plans may be) with a weight problem and hasn't learned anything about diet/exercise, how will she ever be happy?  Weight problems are an energy drain.

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Ruthie, I empathize with you.  It is very difficult to control or manage what a teenager eats.  Trust me, I know this from personal experience, not just with my own teens (who are now in their early 20's) but also with several foreign exchange students.

The one glaring thing I have been wondering about is meat - where is the meat/animal protein in her diet?  What is she eating for protein.  As an O, she should be eating meat, poultry and fish.  Will she eat these things?  How about olive oil?

Sorry if I missed this someplace else in the thread.  I read all of the first page posts and skimmed through the second page.  I'll go back and read each of the second page posts when I have more time.

I would get rid of the chocolate chips.  I think the sugar is causing some of the problems.  Why don't you talk to her about this and see if she is willing to go through the food lists to pick out an alternative food to the chocolate chips, such as nuts.  Sugar is bad, bad, bad.  Take her grocery shopping and let her pick out the healthy food she is wlling to eat.  I always used to do that with the foreign exchange student when they came to live with me.  That way I learned what they ate and had it on hand for them.

I hope some of this is helpful.  Good luck.


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The meat is at family dinners (which you'll find me agonizing over on a separate thread, with "meal plan" in the title.) One night a week I make pizza (mozzarella cheese and spelt flour dough) but usually I make beef or turkey (or a mixture of the two, if it's meatball night) and I'm trying to branch out into fish for dinner, to better balance out my SWAMI portion reccomendations with DD1's. Except for pizza night (when she often eats leftover meat at lunch) dinner consists of a meat, a grain (which she usually doens't eat), an orange veggie (sweet potatoes, carrots, or squash) and a green veggie (green beans, broccolli, or salad.) She consistenly eats the orange veggie, but the green veggie is totally a matter of texture. Salad she won't touch, but she'll eat the green beans or broccolli if it's cooked "just right" but not if it's undercooked or overcooked. I don't worry too much since there's spinach in the veggie soups and the broccolli quiche that she has for breakfast most days.

What I think I might do with the chocolate is make another batch of the kind I can eat: melt unsweetened baking chocolate, mix in molasses, let it cool. Then she's getting the minerals from the molasses rather than the "empty calories" of the sugar. If she likes this mixture, she'll have a healthier alternative to commercial chocolate chips.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  13yo B+ Jack


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Equipro, your daughter sounds a lot like my granddaughter.  Genius IQ...socially does well with
her friends but will often retreat to read...behaves like a space cadet around parents and grandparents. Seems clueless.  One
day when asked to put her glass in the dishwasher, she put it in the sink...She honestly thought
a dishwasher is where the dishes are washed. (by an adult)  It sounds funny on some level...but she's so
"out there" that we're all perplexed. ..She's also a dancer...Goes to dance class 4x a week...the
way she gets out of her head and into her body. She has a computer like mind....often moody....hardly ever eats....Sometimes I think she's living on another planet.. Her favorite food is chocolate.  Doesn't ever know when she's hungry. Going on 15 in January.  5'6"....super lanky....blood type A+  Eats like a pigeon.  It often appears to me that her blood sugar is too low..
and this is why she zones out.  Give her food that might quickly raise her blood sugar and her personality seems to change.  She becomes more engaging and talkative.  Like she returns to
the human race.


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