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ambermac
Wednesday, September 5, 2012, 4:44am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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besides maybe butter and I'm going to try and introduce ghee (superfood) its probably going to be the only dairy i have (feta is neutral for me)
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When I was trying it loose fat I found that having dairy made it nearly impssible to make visible progress. Milk shakes, yogurts, cheeses and cream would holt progress for a week or more. When I used to have milk shakes and cereal with dairy I would lob on pounds over a few weeks. Now I strictly follow BTD and don't eat any bread, grain, flour, beans, corn and dairy as well as a personal choice of no processed food and no sugar, honey, agave etc and my fat runs away by it self without strenuous exersice.

From experience I can vouch for complying with BTD on this matter; remove completely for the best health of your life.

When I removed all avoids completely as we'll as all substitutes (soy milk etc) after about a month I started feeling like never before and I'll never go back.
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well done, CJ - good to hear your progress!
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My husband's an O+ Hunter, and he went from a 38" to 34" pants..We are OFF gluten, changed from wheat to bread made with rice flour.  When he cheats and has wheat or anything made with it he gains a pound or two for 3 days, then loses it again, then  a few days later cheats again and the same happens...when he doesn't eat wheat or wheat products he either maintains or loses a lb or some ounces.
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When I was trying it loose fat I found that having dairy made it nearly impssible to make visible progress. Milk shakes, yogurts, cheeses and cream would holt progress for a week or more. When I used to have milk shakes and cereal with dairy I would lob on pounds over a few weeks. Now I strictly follow BTD and don't eat any bread, grain, flour, beans, corn and dairy as well as a personal choice of no processed food and no sugar, honey, agave etc and my fat runs away by it self without strenuous exersice.

From experience I can vouch for complying with BTD on this matter; remove completely for the best health of your life.

When I removed all avoids completely as we'll as all substitutes (soy milk etc) after about a month I started feeling like never before and I'll never go back.


do you eat alot of meat?
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Good job CJ!!! Welcome


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I`m not sure but the only dairy that I craved for is Cheez whiz(real canadian cheddar).
I always feel good after consuming it.
But since I think I don`t consume enough vitamin D and calcium, I think that is the cause of my craving .
Has anyone of you experienced it?


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I`m not sure but the only dairy that I craved for is Cheez whiz(real canadian cheddar).
I always feel good after consuming it.

Does Cheez whiz even count as "dairy"?  

If it is calcium you are after, there many vegetables that contain quantities of it and are much better for you...  Just saying!  


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I`m not sure but the only dairy that I craved for is Cheez whiz(real canadian cheddar).
I always feel good after consuming it.
But since I think I don`t consume enough vitamin D and calcium, I think that is the cause of my craving .
Has anyone of you experienced it?



Nope, I do crave frozen yogurt now and then, but cant recall the last time I had any.

Cheez whiz... omg, have not heard that term in forever! Eat some broccoli or maybe drink some almond milk to ease the craving.
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calcium - broccoli, bok choi, leafy greens, raw spinach, sesame seed, tahini, almond (other nuts); sea vegetables.   Plus some say to NOT over-eat the meat/fish/poultry as too much protein can deplete the calcium from bones/teeth in order to keep the blood alkaline at 7.4ph; 80% alkaline foods daily (fruit, vegetables mostly plus quinoa/amaranth, millet, almonds) and about 20% acid foods (animal protein, most seeds, nuts, grains, legumes) - eat slowly and chew food well.  some say eat more raw fruit/vege; depends on season and a person's constitutional type as to how much raw veg one eats, to get all nutrients intact.  stir-fried veg good too; tasty!
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I am type O', "hunter", I do best with ghee, butter only occasionally.  Goat's cheese I like (in warmer weather and it causes no problems - but only small amounts at lunch time.  A little parmesan cheese in an omelette I like).  An Ayurvedic doctor (traditiional Indian medicine) said no dairy after 1 or 2pm as it leads to ama (which is toxicity in system) as is hard to digest later in day when our digestive fire (agni) is reduced!  So a little at breaky or lunch for me, goats cheese in salad. Greens and herbs will help to digest cheese, also spices do this too. I do not have weight problems so guess I am lucky, I am underweight and would like to to build muscle.  I just like a little cheese sometimes, not every day.  Most dairy causes sinus congestion for me, and slows down digestion/elimimation.  I read that for some people, dairy is not good for the colon, it coats the lining, and also in the lungs (in Chinese medicine, colon and lungs are related).  This may happen more for gatherer, or type A or AB.  Cows milk produced & designed by cows for their own babies (calves).....  Humans are only species drinking milk from another species, and even after we are weaned!  it has something which can be addictive and hard to give up.  To any people making their own ghee, what temp is best in oven and how long to leave in oven??; I may do a search; I also like home-made ghee; smell and taste nice; I missed ghee when I didn't have it.  lubricates insides and fat needed to digest some vitamins.
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Does Cheez whiz even count as "dairy"?  

If it is calcium you are after, there many vegetables that contain quantities of it and are much better for you...  Just saying!  


Is it not? But why? Its cheese right. Why did you ask its not a dairy?  

Just curious.


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In this country, Cheez Whiz is a highly processed "food", which is why many folks don't consider it actual dairy...

Cheez Whiz


It is not my responsibility to convince anyone of anything.
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marc, simply read ingredients on your CW jar



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Ooh, sorry for that.

I looked at the ingredient and it contained modified milk.
And other processed stuff. Thank you .

Well go to control my craving and substitute things for that.  


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Before I started SWAMI I practically lived on raw sheep's milk coffee, raw goat manchego, tomatoes, homemade trail mix (almonds, walnuts, pistachios, pumpkin seeds, macadamia nuts, goji berries, raisins, mangoes, apricots, and coconut -- all raw and seasoned with salt and chili), grass fed beef, organic pork, and gallons of raw cream sauces.  I ate a LOT of dairy!

My migraines were down to 3 per month and I maintained my weight.  The only 'issue' I had was a persistent cough.

Now that I have eliminated the avoids: milk, coffee, pistachios, raisins, apricots, coconut and pork) my migraines have returned, I still have that cough, and my weight is stable even though I still eat the raw goat manchego in much greater quantities than my SWAMI recommends.  

Ergo, dairy does not cause me to gain weight.  

Rice, quinoa, and dried beans are another story.  I eat them very very rarely even though they are 'allowed'.


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I've just read Dr. D's writing on cholesterol http://www.dadamo.com/btdisease/PathType-read.pl?show=29 in which he states:      
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+ Samburu people, for instance, eat about a pound of meat and drink almost two gallons of raw milk each day during most of the year. Milk from the African Zebu cattle is much fattier than cow's milk, which means that the Samburus consume more than twice the amount of animal fat than the average American, and yet their cholesterol is much lower, about 170 mg/dl .

+ Shepherds in Somalia eat almost nothing but milk from their camels. About a gallon and a half a day is normal, which amounts to almost one pound of butter fat, because camel's milk is much fattier than cow's milk. But although more than sixty percent of their energy consumption comes from animal fat, their mean cholesterol is only about 150 mg/dl, far lower than in most Western people.

+ According to the view of the Masai people in Kenya, vegetables and fibers are food for cows. They themselves drink half a gallon of Zebu milk each day, and their parties are sheer orgies of meat. On such occasions several pounds of meat per person is not unusual. In spite of that, the cholesterol of the Masai tribesmen is among the lowest ever measured in the world, about fifty percent of the value of the average American .

What is perhaps worth noting here is the fact that virtually all of these tribes are characterized by high percentages of O type blood as compared with A or B. (Moruant) And most of these societies have had a long tradition of hunter gathering versus agrarian existence. This can be demonstrated by looking at the distribution of blood type in Africa along the lines of latitude (north/south).

Granted, the article is on cholesterol and the fact that a high fat diet does not cause high cholesterol in type Os but...given that RAW dairy does not seem to be a problem for these ancient hunters, why is it an avoid for us 'O' hunters?


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Dr D has not evaluated raw dairy separate from pasteurized dairy products. Nor has he evaluated camel or zebu milk.

Most people consider the raw items to have the same value as the pasteurized counterparts that are listed. You may wish to consider raw dairy to be "untested and therefore neutral....with caution" if you want to consume it.

For untested foods, eat a small amount and see how your body responds. If you do well, you can increase the amounts. It's suggested that you completely "eat clean" and not include any "questionable" foods for a few weeks or months first, so you can better tell if there are any subtle reactions.


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