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jennyg
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That's exactly what happens to me too.


and MAAAAN is it annoying! I ate cheese over the weekend after FINALLY dropping 4 of the 12 pounds I need to lose and BAM, hello 3 more pounds! well, no one to blame but myself, onward and upward, or should I say, DOWNWARD  


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It finally occurred to me today that pasteurized dairy is in fact almost a junk food.  
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It finally occurred to me today that pasteurized dairy is in fact almost a junk food.  

Almost????  Oh sorry, my cynicism is showing...  


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I have been dairy free for about 5 years, and I feel much better. Typically, everytime I try to introduce dairy back into my life I get: constipated, psoriasis acts up, moody. So, I believe it is not an option for me. However, to each its own
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What do you guys think about whey protein?


It's an avoid for me on SWAMI. I don't buy it or use it. The O's in the family shouldn't be using it, and the B in the family doesn't need a processed protein source- he eats enough "real foods" including whole milk.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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I have been dairy free for about 5 years, and I feel much better. Typically, everytime I try to introduce dairy back into my life I get: constipated, psoriasis acts up, moody. So, I believe it is not an option for me. However, to each its own


How about the weight thingie?  Correlations?
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How about the weight thingie?  Correlations?


Weight is low with NO DAIRY
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Quoted from marjorie


Weight is low with NO DAIRY


My weight is low it's my body fat bwha ha ha ha ha  
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and MAAAAN is it annoying! I ate cheese over the weekend after FINALLY dropping 4 of the 12 pounds I need to lose and BAM, hello 3 more pounds! well, no one to blame but myself, onward and upward, or should I say, DOWNWARD  


Yes it is WAY annoying! I agree
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Sahara
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I admit, I will eat the melted cheese on the chili stew I order at one of the places I go.  And that's it!  Much happier almost a month off dairy again.  What a food.....
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Dairy is a weird one for me.  First, it is one of my very favorite food groups and I ate a very high proportion of dairy throughout my entire life until originally trying the BTD and then going Vegan.  I love dairy and have almost no discernible reactions to it....eating it doesn't even impede me losing weight!

HOWEVER, I have come to realize that it is a trigger food for me and that I have to be very, very careful with it.  I truly think it is because most dairy is eaten with starch and THAT is the combo of which I have to be the most careful.  Think about it...we almost always eat:

-milk with cereal, cookies, sandwiches, cake.  While we occasionally want to just drink a glass of cold milk (I do, anyway), it is much easier to NOT eat milk if you keep it away from it's starch partner.  After all, who really thinks of drinking a glass of milk, or pouring milk on, let's say, saute'd zucchini?

-cheese with pasta, on bread (grilled cheese, pizza, etc.), mixed in with rice, served with beans, on crackers.  Cheese IS tougher because there are times when cheese is great all by itself, but, realistically, it's still more common and easier to eat it with starch than alone.  

-butter on pasta, bread, in cookies, on potatoes, on rice.  While I don't limit butter much, it's very interesting to be completely open to eating butter, yet limiting grains because it opens your eyes to how much butter is eaten on or with grains, but so much less so without them.  

I don't really like ice cream, so it's not an issue for me.  When I want it, I eat it.

HOWEVER, I truly DO love cheese, so what I do is I stay within the framework of the cheeses that are allowed on my SWAMI, but I don't particularly stay within the suggested portions.  This keeps me from getting into other cheeses.  So, I eat Feta nearly every day on my salad or scrambled with my eggs.  I eat cottage cheese as a way to stave off a starch craving, and, AMAZINGLY it almost always works.  If I feel like I just have to have some grains, if I eat 1/4 to 1/2 a cup of cottage cheese, it will usually nip the craving in the bud enough for me to pass on it.

I am very wary of milk. I love, love, love milk, but it always involved cereal, which is a big no-no for me, so I avoid milk at all costs.

So there you have it.  As far as I can tell, I'm non-reactive to almost all dairy - at least as I am able to tell, BUT, since I love dairy so much and it's so easy for me to overeat it, I try to limit it to my SWAMI-compliant ones and I eat those as I find that I need to in order to stay away from the non-compliant ones.


FRESH START TODAY!!!
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Butter is quite tasty on veggies, even without starch!


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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I agree
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I was off milk for over 20 years, and thought it was just not suitable for humans or for O's. Recently discovered that if I boil pasteurized milk it works really well. Live and learn. This was from ayurveda where they always recommend boiling milk, it has to do with pasteurization not being complete enough to break down the proteins. I was very skeptical about it, but it worked.


As for cheeses i do well on really well cooked, almost burnt cheeses like on pizza. Mozzarella i think is good for hunters.

Interesting for me that pizza is ok if i eat it really oily/greasy. Extra oil makes the bread part less toxic for me for some reason, or adding a high fat cheese.

ice cream was an addiction for me for a long time, but it caused diarrhea. but, strangely it was the only food that gave me sustainble energy, i could not exercise at all without it. one time in school i did something like 1000 situps after gorging on ice cream. the only thing i was able to figure out about this is that straight sugar was a better energy source than grains, and maybe the sodium also was good for me. maybe with improperly functioning liver the sugar/fat combo works as a direct fuel source for muscle like the mct in coconut oil.
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ice cream was an addiction for me for a long time, but it caused diarrhoea. but, strangely it was the only food that gave me sustainable energy, i could not exercise at all without it. one time in school i did something like 1000 situps after gorging on ice cream. the only thing i was able to figure out about this is that straight sugar was a better energy source than grains, and maybe the sodium also was good for me. maybe with improperly functioning liver the sugar/fat combo works as a direct fuel source for muscle like the mct in coconut oil.


You may find this information interesting.

1st -Why We Crave Our Food Allergens
Part of the addictive effect of our food allergens is because eating our allergens can cause the same effects in our body as taking drugs like morphine. Another way of looking at the addiction to food allergens is that it is more like an addiction to amphetamines. This stimulation provided to the body by consuming an allergen is like a shock to the system, but a stimulating shock. Some people may experience feeling very well the day before they come down with an illness or a return of their symptoms. This is the same effect as when we eat our allergens and feel well at first.
One of the best things that I can hear from a patient when I tell them that they need to give up a food allergen is that, “It is going to be so hard because I love bagels, or I love eggs, or I can’t do without my milk. These words tell me that the person has an addictive attachment to the food.


and 2nd http://drbass.com/addiction.html



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Sahara, why don't you consider going on the elimination diet and then adding the compliant dairy back in once you have done the elimination diet for a couple of weeks.  None of us here can tell you how the kefir will react with your body, due to your individuality.  I have a copy of the elimination diet I can get you if you PM me.

Kefir is a black dot for me, but I have not added it back.  I can only have one serving of dairy per week.  Uusally I try to save that up for when I go out to a friends' house.  I will bring manchego cheese and rice crackers so that I know for sure I will have an appetizer I can eat.  My husband and I are very social, so eating at other people's homes does become a challenge.


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Milk Fat is Fat is Fat.. It is a high energy source in a small exceptionally convenient package.

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That is a very much one size fits all approach  

Fat does not make all people fat- actually upping my fat intake ( especially only using full fat dairy and plenty of butter ) makes me loose weight .
Full fat dairy is diamond and superfoods for me- while no and low fat neutral.
Avoiding sugar and most grains = less faton my body as well.

My o daughter is natural slim but I can see ehen she has been eating to much grains ( even spelt and rice) she gets fat on tummy- while if she eat a low grain high butter/oliveoil diet she stays slim.

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Yes, but for a Hunter this would not be the case.  Most Hunters are only allowed a tiny bit of dairy once a week.  So I would agree with David on this - "Milk Fat is Fat is Fat" and if a Hunter cannot break down the milk fat, it stands to reason that it can make a Hunter gain weight.


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It's not a matter of making it at home  vs buying it in the store. If kefir is an avoid, it's an avoid. Similarly Drea, beef from a happy grass-fed cow would still be a toxin for you.


Kefir is a black dot for me, not an avoid.


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So how does one actually tackle an addiction to an avoid, cold turkey?  Some other way?
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O in V, we are all different and I have seen many people who wean themselves off of avoids.  I, for one, went cold turkey.  I just works better for me.  Coffee was tough for me to give up, so I just went out and bought a large supply of green tea and drank that every morning.

Now I can have coffee infrequently and I am not tempted to go back to the habit daily.  In fact, our daughter finished college and has moved home.  She drinks coffee every morning and I am not tempted.


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Interesting - I haven't had any dairy now for quite a few weeks, or any coffee for several weeks, but this morning I decided to test things by having a coffee with a small amount of cream... Enjoyed it, but within the hour I noticed I sniffed & (sorry if tmi) sure enough, slight bit of mucous had formed... Guess that was a once in a while treat?!
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Patti H, coffee was easy for me to give up, much easier than I anticipated.  

Dairy also gives me the sniffles, Possum, but doesn't upset my digestion much, unless I overdo it.

I have lifelong addiction/love for sweets.     I have given up wheat, corn, dairy (pretty much), coffee, pork, grains in general, and all kinds of other things, and I don't miss them much.  But my sweet tooth has me by the throat.
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...my sweet tooth has me by the throat.
The visual (& trying to imagine the logistics of it) is too funny However, I well know the outworking may not be

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Patti H, coffee was easy for me to give up, much easier than I anticipated.  

Dairy also gives me the sniffles, Possum, but doesn't upset my digestion much, unless I overdo it.

I have lifelong addiction/love for sweets.     I have given up wheat, corn, dairy (pretty much), coffee, pork, grains in general, and all kinds of other things, and I don't miss them much.  But my sweet tooth has me by the throat.


O in V, you are preaching to the choir here!  I used to be a pastry chef   Giving up sugar, for me, took much longer, but I started many years ago, well before the BTD/GTD.  I learned to bake because I LOVE sugar and sweets    Once I got my sugar addiction under control, I limited my sugar intake to special occassions or special cheats.  I am sort of a sugar snob - unless someone can make something better than I can, I will not eat it.  I also am ok with just passing it up all together, which is what I do now.  If I am at a wedding or a birthday party, I will partake of the cake so as not to be rude and to make it a special treat, but even if we go out to dinner now and everyone else gets dessert, I will pass.  It's not always easy, but I do understand that sugar can be a very slippery slope  


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I'm an O- hunter, i'm trying to loose a little weight but i have a jar of goats cheese in the fridge ... because I'm trying to cut down the amount I eat i put a little bit on the salad I have with my fish for dinner... bad idea? or do you think i could get away with it?  
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