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jennyg
Tuesday, September 6, 2011, 12:03am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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I have noticed if I eat dairy, ESPECIALLY ice cream or non compliant cheeses, I gain weight the next day, and takes a couple of days to a week to come back off depending on how much i eat. I also feel bloated and have trouble with constipation. It's hard for me to stay away sometimes, but every time I eat it I greatly regret it.  


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PCUK-Positive
Tuesday, September 6, 2011, 12:38am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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dairy, chocolate, sweets, chips. they all put on weight for me overnight and take nearly a week to remove, not that i need to worry about weight too much, but i hate being beaten by things lol

Apart from particularly attractive, gentle women, of course


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Possum
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Rh- Expluntherer... It means I'm an O...;-)
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O in Virginia
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If I could lose 17 lbs in three weeks I'd gladly give up dairy.  
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Possum
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Rh- Expluntherer... It means I'm an O...;-)
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Ok the race is on hey OinV???!!
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O in Virginia
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Ok the race is on hey OinV???!!


17 lbs in three weeks?  Maybe if I were to become ill.  
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Possum
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Nooo I mean as something to aim for
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Nooo I mean as something to aim for


Oh, I see.  Ok!  
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Dairy ie: milks, cheeses, ice-cream and yogurt had always been a staple and comfort food for me. I would have to say that the dairy caused congestion. Thirty years ago, I began to notice that when I moved away from whole milk to 2% and then to skim products congestion issues lessened with each stage of distancing myself from something in the milk proteins or fats.

The only thing I can identify that I could say ever put ant weight on me is long term periods of eating a lot of oatmeal cookies or extended periods of inactivity.


Thoughts Are Things... Think The Good Ones... and remember... Moderate exercise is the best mood elevator!
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Sahara
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I've been off wheat several months why not ditch dairy too.  This trainer says he noticed many of his clients are unable to tolerate either food:

http://www.truthaboutabs.com/2-foods-beware-weight-gain.html
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David
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Sahara, interesting question.... and link.   Working on it!

There are tons of sites which advocate using milk.... to gain weight. I remember the first time I saw milk being used to gain weight, intentionally. At lunch in High-school the football players guzzled as much as they could... to gain weight. And they did! Millions do it still.

It is available everywhere and massive commercial expenditures have been made to tell you do drink it..... Every Day. I'd bet that it goes home in more shopping bags than apples do.

Milk Fat is Fat is Fat.. It is a high energy source in a small exceptionally convenient package.


Thoughts Are Things... Think The Good Ones... and remember... Moderate exercise is the best mood elevator!
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Henriette Bsec
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Milk Fat is Fat is Fat.. It is a high energy source in a small exceptionally convenient package. [/quote]

That is a very much one size fits all approach  

Fat does not make all people fat- actually upping my fat intake ( especially only using full fat dairy and plenty of butter ) makes me loose weight .
Full fat dairy is diamond and superfoods for me- while no and low fat neutral.
Avoiding sugar and most grains = less faton my body as well.

My o daughter is natural slim but I can see ehen she has been eating to much grains ( even spelt and rice) she gets fat on tummy- while if she eat a low grain high butter/oliveoil diet she stays slim.



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I want my kefir!!!!!!


Have you considered making your own kefir at home? Passionprincess is doing this (although she is a B) with really good results.



Let go of resistance; feel appreciation for what is, and eagerness for what is coming.
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It's not a matter of making it at home  vs buying it in the store. If kefir is an avoid, it's an avoid. Similarly Drea, beef from a happy grass-fed cow would still be a toxin for you.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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Sorry, I wasn't aware that kefir was an avoid.


Let go of resistance; feel appreciation for what is, and eagerness for what is coming.
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the heading here is really a contradiction.. for me dairy is a cheat and that is way more then I would prefere.. I love feeling good.. I love my strong bones. I love BTD from the beginning to end.. Geno is more forgiving, but not better..


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i hate being beaten by things lol

Apart from particularly attractive, gentle women, of course


HAHAHAHAHA!!!  


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Quoted from jennyg
I have noticed if I eat dairy, ESPECIALLY ice cream or non compliant cheeses, I gain weight the next day, and takes a couple of days to a week to come back off depending on how much i eat. I also feel bloated and have trouble with constipation. It's hard for me to stay away sometimes, but every time I eat it I greatly regret it.  


Yes I've noticed this also.  Sniff, it's a hard food to break up with.  But break up we shall......  

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Second day of avoiding dairy - another lb down I even have had several brown rice (home made) crackers both nights...with homemade butter
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Another Hunter here.

Individuality is great isn't it!  I find I don't really gain weight at all from cheeses, but then I don't really want to eat them that much.  I've always been slim.  With my new Swami (post being re-tested as a secretor) I get a lot more cheeses than I did as a nonnie - I eat more than I did before and I've actually lost 14 pounds in the last 4 months acutally eating more food    I didn't really have it to lose in a way, but I'm really happy with where I am now in terms of energy, well being and congestion.

We are all individuals so I would say, if cheese doesn't serve you - don't serve it.... on biscuits, toast, salads, raclettes................  


Listen to all, plucking a feather from every passing goose, but follow no one absolutely. CHINESE PROVERB

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Henriette
re: Milk Fat is Fat is Fat.. It is a high energy source in a small exceptionally convenient package. [/quote]

That is a very much one size fits all approach  

Fat does not make all people fat- actually upping my fat intake ... makes me loose weight .

Yea! Fat is also good stuff! Essential fatty acids, Omega's, a great source of energy, slows digestion, burns slower, diminishes cravings and appetite.


Thoughts Are Things... Think The Good Ones... and remember... Moderate exercise is the best mood elevator!
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What do you guys think about whey protein?
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I have seen the discussions about protein for O's. Over the years I have tried soy and whey protein powders for smoothies. I seemed to tolerate the whey better but it still did not feel energizing.... just filling. I did not notice if it was whey concentrates or whey isolates.

My girlfriend at the time liked protein fruit smoothies every morning. I did a lot better with eggs. I think she was a BT A with a big sweet tooth. She liked to put Knudsen's electrolyte drink in it with frozen banana, ground flax seed, flax oil, strawberries or blueberries, almond milk, liquid calcium/magnesium. It was delicious... and It was nerve wracking to me when my blood sugar would drop a few hours later.


Thoughts Are Things... Think The Good Ones... and remember... Moderate exercise is the best mood elevator!
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Quoted from jennyg
I have noticed if I eat dairy, ESPECIALLY ice cream or non compliant cheeses, I gain weight the next day, and takes a couple of days to a week to come back off depending on how much i eat. I also feel bloated and have trouble with constipation. It's hard for me to stay away sometimes, but every time I eat it I greatly regret it.  


That's exactly what happens to me too.
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I may buy the whey isolate as Mark suggested but otherwise it's over other than the few dry cheeses on the Hunter list.  Yayyyyyyyy!
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