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AKArtlover
Saturday, July 30, 2011, 2:28pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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I don't have a source, but I have heard that if you feed the thyroid as if it is there, it will regrow in 10 to 15 years. Let me say again, I heard that but don't have a source. Probably worth some digging.


"For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well." Psalm 139:13,14
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Linus Pauling Institute - Iodine

If you have no thyroid, and all your thyroid hormones are taken as medicine/supplements, I doubt you need any iodine in your diet.  AFAIK, the only part of the body to use iodine is the thyroid, and it is only used for the production of thyroid hormone, so if you can't produce any thyroid hormone internally...
Extrathyroidal Iodine

Sorry, NVM!  It seems that it is used elsewhere.

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Sounds like typical bacterial overgrowth ( BOG) symptoms. Even if you have been eating this way for years you still can have BOG. You are an A Nonnie this is very common, please consider taking three months of gastro D to kill those bad bugs then follow with polyflora A, deflect, intrinsia and some live cell to reboot the gut.

Even after years of eating this way I tested positive for breath hydrogen a few months ago.

I will retest my Breath Hydrogen after my last bottle of gastro D, in another month but my GI tract feels different already. I had none of the symptoms that you mention but when I test BH ( on my clients) I find that people can pinpoint where the problem is based on gas bloating... and other GI complaints even before I test.



Gas bloating all signs of overgrowth.


Andrea would that be your recommendation for BT O as well, the Gastro D for 3 months and then the others? I want to focus on my gut as well. I'm using Intrinsa and Deflect O now...but maybe I should stop those and do the Gastro D?

SandrAruba I wish I had something to add here. I understand what your going through because I'm going through some serious fatigue right now as well. My stomach is mostly ok unless I eat things I'm not supposed to, or that I learn my body doesn't like, but that might be secondary to the BOG mentioned here. I can't take Harmonia either, I get instant pain in my liver region...so my fiance, who is also an O takes it He's used to taking whatever I can't ....

I can see healing going on especially in my skin and hair, so I know that is going on, on the inside as well, and I think that healing could be part of my fatigue, which I think is improving just a bit. Sleep is so important, can you take naps during the day? I'm compulsive about my sleep because if I don't get it I'm a wreck emotionally, and physically, it's not pretty... Lights are out at 10 and if I don't have a good night, I stay in bed until 8-ish that seems to work for me. I don't know what your schedule is but if you can make it a priority not saying you don't, I think you're going to notice some improvement, in addition to working on the gut of course...wish you well, sorry you're suffering, I know it's no fun
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You both are here so much-- sometimes it's different new people that you are repeating yourself to, and sometimes long time people still having issues. Takes awhile here, too, for new people to sort out what is a person's individual experience and what applies to yourself as an individual-- as well as what REALLY applies to everyone. Discernment.   Learning, learning.




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I am starting to wonder why even bother... I know that doing this diet has helped me tremendously (think my monthly issues that have gotten so much less) and my mental clarity is so much better. I suppose it's just a bump I have to get through. Probably caused by this fatigue that I just don't seem to be able to rationalize things as well.


Sandra, I am going through a sort of impasse or frustrating moment myself, so I can totally relate to how you feel. I just want to give you my moral support and to share that I am trying to take the long view that our way of living is worth pursuing even though progress might come ever so slowly. As you mentioned, your monthly issues have gotten much better and your mental clarity is improving. These are no small achievements. So maybe what you're going through is a healing crisis. And from my own experience I know that poor sleep really hinders good healing.

For fatigue, may I suggest a very specific form of meditation--Transcendental Meditation--which gives you a kind of deep rest that has a higher quality than sleep itself. You have to experience it to understand what I'm talking about. Every time I do it, I get an extra boost of energy in a way that nothing else can give me, plus superb mental clarity, as if the mind has taken a shower   You can find more information here: http://www.tm.org

If TM is not readily available where you are, you might consider an alternative, Natural Stress Relief meditation, which was started by former TM teachers who want to bring the technique to as many people as possible through affordable means. Now I have not tried this myself but I assume the technique is similar. It's possible to learn it by yourself at home. Here is the link: http://www.nsrusa.org/home.php


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Andrea AWsec
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Yes I would recommend everyone to take the Gastro d for two to three months.... then move from there to the other supplements.

I test gut bacteria and very rarely do I find one person that is all zeros, they are mostly O's but even they will benefit from the gastro D.


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Thanks Andrea I'm going to do that!!  
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MIFHI

"Do not try to satisfy your vanity by teaching a great many things. Awaken people's curiosity. It is enough to open minds; do not overload them." Anatole France

"Healthy people have the least overt symptoms from eating avoid foods." Dr. D'Adamo
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Andrea, I had already read about the Gastro D suggestion and I have it. Was planning on starting it when I was finished with my fatigue protocol, but I started with it this morning. I am still going ahead with the fatigue protocol, I don't want to stop that now, because I do feel it is helping stay asleep better.

I already read about TM, but there is no one here on the island to help me with that, so I read all I could and am trying some form of meditation 4 times a week. For the rest of the week I just try to find a quiet half hour every day, preferably in my back yard and I just sit, clear my mind and try only to listen to the birds. I try not to think of anything but just sit and enjoy nature. usually when I do that, my dogs and cats come and join me and they lay around me completely relaxed. And that helps me relax a bit more as well.

As for my thyroid, half of it was taken out and of the other half they said I would not have it anymore in a few years since it was all infected (autoimmune). Right after my operation I started BTD, so I am hoping that there is something still left of it. I do notice that when I take enough iodine, I do feel better. So perhaps there still is some left.

I appreciate all the support you guys!




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Gastro d is on sale this month on the website, and as Angela said the fatigue and the intestinal health are not mutually exclusive.

I think always fix the gut first then, see what is left over that needs attention.


MIFHI

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"Healthy people have the least overt symptoms from eating avoid foods." Dr. D'Adamo
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Quoted from Andrea AWsec
Gastro d is on sale this month on the website, and as Angela said the fatigue and the intestinal health are not mutually exclusive.

I think always fix the gut first then, see what is left over that needs attention.


Just bought Gastro D combined with Intrinsa today.

I am dedicating myself to faithfully taking Gastro D for 3 months starting today....2 pills 2x a day
and will let you all know my progress the end of October.  Just realized Gastro D contains
bentonite clay...which helps to absorb toxins.  It's almost like a lightbulb when on when I started
reading this thread....In my heart of hearts, I know it's all about the gut....but I wasn't faithfully
dedicating 3 months to taking Gastro D.

Starting over again!  



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Just bought Gastro D combined with Intrinsa today.

I am dedicating myself to faithfully taking Gastro D for 3 months starting today....2 pills 2x a day
and will let you all know my progress the end of October.  Just realized Gastro D contains
bentonite clay...which helps to absorb toxins.  It's almost like a lightbulb when on when I started
reading this thread....In my heart of hearts, I know it's all about the gut....but I wasn't faithfully
dedicating 3 months to taking Gastro D.

Starting over again!  



Me too Chloe, thanks Andrea.

Andrea I have another question, would you take the Genotype supplements at the same time or strictly work on the gut first..and then start them? I'm very excited about the outcome of this...thanks again  
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Work on the gut... try not to jump from supplement to supplement.


One thing at a time and be patient.

Dr. D makes so much good stuff that want to take it all, but I have learned more is not always better.




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"Do not try to satisfy your vanity by teaching a great many things. Awaken people's curiosity. It is enough to open minds; do not overload them." Anatole France

"Healthy people have the least overt symptoms from eating avoid foods." Dr. D'Adamo

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If it is appropriate nourishment, though, that is a good thing ALWAYS. Please consider gettting an appropriate multi vitamin, multi mineral, and some type of appropriate oil (fish, flax, krill, etc) at minimum. Dr. D's supps are quality IMO. Harmonia is a food. The sprouts are foods. Nourish your body. Repopulate the good flora.

As Andrea said, jumping around from this to that- I think of that more in the specialty stuff. Also beware anything synthetic.

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As for my thyroid, half of it was taken out and of the other half they said I would not have it anymore in a few years since it was all infected (autoimmune).


Beware of what you choose to believe. Sometimes doctors also like to write death certificates before they have a corpse.

If someone told me this, I would tell them thanks for their opinion and do everything in my power to support and nourish my body. Mental, physical, emotional.


"For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well." Psalm 139:13,14

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Quoted from Andrea AWsec
Work on the gut... try not to jump from supplement to supplement.


One thing at a time and be patient.

Dr. D makes so much good stuff that want to take it all, but I have learned more is not always better.



Thanks Andrea, that makes sense! It feels good to have a focus and a place to start.. looking forward to the resuts..
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The Gastro D info reads that it is for O nonnies especially, you are a tough bunch.


MIFHI

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"Healthy people have the least overt symptoms from eating avoid foods." Dr. D'Adamo
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I just checked the ingredients on the Gastro-D and it has Mastic Gum in it. Mastic Gum is a black dot on my swami. So since I won't be taking it the rest of my life, I don't see it will give a whole lot of problems.

One other thing that it has is Safflower tops. Now Safflower oil is a avoid for me, not only that I am highly allergic to it. It gives me a horrible rash with itch and takes weeks for it to disappear.

So can someone assure me that I will not have the same reaction to safflower tops? I am not willing to experiment at this point and just try and see if I get a reaction. If I was feeling well, I would have no problem doing just that, but not right now.

And I can report that last night I slept for 7 hours straight. That does the body and mind good.




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Good on sleep! I would contact DPN tomorrow and ask. Often different parts of the plant are different.

There is more than one way to accomplish a goal.


"For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well." Psalm 139:13,14
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The Gastro D info reads that it is for O nonnies especially, you are a tough bunch.


you can say that again! Wish I'd have found this diet years ago  
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About 1912 it was recognized that there were to be found in the intestinal content of both apparently healthy as well as diseased people a class of bacilli which had hiterto been considered unimportant, but which were then proved to be associated with chronic disease...

Dr. Edward Bach, 1929

http://www.amazon.com/Original.....312140205&sr=8-1

Following the white rabbit is fun.  


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If it is appropriate nourishment, though, that is a good thing ALWAYS. Please consider gettting an appropriate multi vitamin, multi mineral, and some type of appropriate oil (fish, flax, krill, etc) at minimum. Dr. D's supps are quality IMO. Harmonia is a food. The sprouts are foods. Nourish your body. Repopulate the good flora.



I'll just focus on the right foods. Get as many diamonds in this body as I can. And I'll just stick to a few supps (mineral, vitamin and my cortiguard and deflect). Like I already I don't use supps unless there is really something wrong and I need extra help. While I did not sleep great last night (although I think I did get a full 6 hours), I am feeling a bit more energetic. And that is good.

So I'll keep on this track as it seems to be helping after all. Perhaps it was a matter of getting worse before you get better.

Btw I was planning on mailing about the safflower tops vs oil, but this morning I woke up with a huge rash on my arm. I think that's my answer.




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