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SandrAruba
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So I started my fatigue protocol on the 20th, taking my cortiguard (2 capsules twice a day) and my B12 (2 capsules a day) as should. I also started with Bromelain, since I retain a lot of water and I read that this helps. Furthermore I purchased harmonia and have been drinking that once a day, and I am taking my deflect (as always) and I started on my minerals again.

I eat super compliant. I think 99%, not too small meals not to large. Lots of veggies, but I did this already before I started with the protocol, bromelain and harmonia. So that hasn't changed. Now I have diarrhea almost daily, before starting the above it was perfect. And also every night I have my last small meal around 6.30 and then I have nothing more, maybe some water. But every evening around 10, my stomach starts to hurt and I get gas and acid reflux, making falling asleep rather difficult and as such not really helping with the fatigue issue. I have a bloated stomach and have the impression that I am gaining weight. I am not eating more, so weight gain should not be possible.

Please tell me this is my body adjusting, or getting used to the harmonia. And tell me that it will all go away, I just have to hang in there and it will all normalize again.

Any thoughts?




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I am suspect of all the 'non foods' you added.. I am a big believer in FOOd rather then the sups even though they are from Dr D  .. I would ask you to please look at all sups side by side and see if in one or the other you find the same ingredient.. I did that by MY attempt to get better, and found that I had bought the same thing in 4 sups.. and IT turned out to be the one that is avoid in Swami..

IN your case I would also ask, if maybe you are suffering from some dissapointment about being back home again.. some changes are hard on body and mind.. even when change is good..  

For your late night indigestion, I might ask .. are you eating almonds.. I think I got indigestion when I ate more then I ever ate before.. (walnuts did not do any damage, but almonds might have caused me mayor issues.. a few don't matter but many and it might be to much..

(I am O so my knowledge about a's is nill.. just comparing whay I went through ..        )


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Sounds like typical bacterial overgrowth ( BOG) symptoms. Even if you have been eating this way for years you still can have BOG. You are an A Nonnie this is very common, please consider taking three months of gastro D to kill those bad bugs then follow with polyflora A, deflect, intrinsia and some live cell to reboot the gut.

Even after years of eating this way I tested positive for breath hydrogen a few months ago.

I will retest my Breath Hydrogen after my last bottle of gastro D, in another month but my GI tract feels different already. I had none of the symptoms that you mention but when I test BH ( on my clients) I find that people can pinpoint where the problem is based on gas bloating... and other GI complaints even before I test.



Gas bloating all signs of overgrowth.


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I am suspect of all the 'non foods' you added.. I am a big believer in FOOd rather then the sups even though they are from Dr D  .. I would ask you to please look at all sups side by side and see if in one or the other you find the same ingredient.. I did that by MY attempt to get better, and found that I had bought the same thing in 4 sups.. and IT turned out to be the one that is avoid in Swami..

IN your case I would also ask, if maybe you are suffering from some dissapointment about being back home again.. some changes are hard on body and mind.. even when change is good..  

For your late night indigestion, I might ask .. are you eating almonds.. I think I got indigestion when I ate more then I ever ate before.. (walnuts did not do any damage, but almonds might have caused me mayor issues.. a few don't matter but many and it might be to much..

(I am O so my knowledge about a's is nill.. just comparing whay I went through ..        )


Goldie, I checked the sups and there is some overlap, but not alarming. For instance I always take Exacta multi vitamins and in the minerals there are some too, but it's iodine and I need that! I did the test again and the patch on my arm is gone within 30 minutes. Apparantly the kelp tablets I have been taking are not giving me enough iodine (which could explain part of the fatigue also).

As for being home, I love it, but I hate the fact that my husband is not yet here with me. He is still in Holland finishing things up there for yet another two months and I miss him terribly. For the rest I love being home, but I would like to get started on changing some things around the house to make me feel even better, but I'm just too tired to do that.

And it's just all very frustrating. I am being so compliant, for years already and this weight just won't go down anymore. I lost those pounds in the beginning, but after that nothing more. And I want to get rid of it, because I know I will feel better if I do. My knees won't hurt as much, my back won't hurt as much. Being back home takes no getting used to for me, but the fact that I just can't seem to loose the weight is getting so very frustrating. I am starting to wonder why even bother... I know that doing this diet has helped me tremendously (think my monthly issues that have gotten so much less) and my mental clarity is so much better. I suppose it's just a bump I have to get through. Probably caused by this fatigue that I just don't seem to be able to rationalize things as well.




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Quoted from Goldie
I am suspect of all the 'non foods' you added.. I am a big believer in FOOd rather then the sups even though they are from Dr D  .. I would ask you to please look at all sups side by side and see if in one or the other you find the same ingredient.. I did that by MY attempt to get better, and found that I had bought the same thing in 4 sups.. and IT turned out to be the one that is avoid in Swami..

IN your case I would also ask, if maybe you are suffering from some dissapointment about being back home again.. some changes are hard on body and mind.. even when change is good..  

For your late night indigestion, I might ask .. are you eating almonds.. I think I got indigestion when I ate more then I ever ate before.. (walnuts did not do any damage, but almonds might have caused me mayor issues.. a few don't matter but many and it might be to much..

(I am O so my knowledge about a's is nill.. just comparing whay I went through ..        )


I think it would be wonderful if we could all get our nutrients from food alone.  If we all ate foods just picked off the farm we would be better for it.  Unfortunately most of us don't and need to supplement to get what the body needs.  Fruits and vegetables lose nutrients the moment they are picked and we get them from the super market quite a while after they are picked. Farmers markets help, but most of us do not get all our produce year round from them.

Also, many of us with certain health issues and advancing age, need more of certain nutrients that we can not get from the amount of food we eat.  If the body is not working properly and needs supplements, it is best to use the ones recommended for your body to get back into balance.  

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Sounds like typical bacterial overgrowth ( BOG) symptoms. Even if you have been eating this way for years you still can have BOG. You are an A Nonnie this is very common, please consider taking three months of gastro D to kill those bad bugs then follow with polyflora A, deflect, intrinsia and some live cell to reboot the gut.

Even after years of eating this way I tested positive for breath hydrogen a few months ago.

I will retest my Breath Hydrogen after my last bottle of gastro D, in another month but my GI tract feels different already. I had none of the symptoms that you mention but when I test BH ( on my clients) I find that people can pinpoint where the problem is based on gas bloating... and other GI complaints even before I test.



Gas bloating all signs of overgrowth.


Andrea, I think I had Gastro D, but I was saving it till I was finished with my fatigue protocol. I didn't want to start all my sups at once, so I limited it to those that are supposed to help me get some energy back.




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Do any/all of the supplements contain magnesium?  Magnesium can cause pretty severe diahrrea if too much is ingested.


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Do any/all of the supplements contain magnesium?  Magnesium can cause pretty severe diahrrea if too much is ingested.


I checked the ingredients online and both the Exacta and the geno multi mineral have magnesium. Maybe I should cut the mineral for a while?





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I would temporarily cut down or set aside the Harmonia and see how you feel.  If you do have intestinal bacterial overgrowth, the concentrated foods in Harmonia can cause a lot of bloating.  Just for a bit, to see what happens.  



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Support your gut. Everything hinges on good digestion and assimilation. The two are not mutually exclusive.


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Just how much total magnesium are you taking from supps each day?

I think that "healing the gut" should come first, before focusing on fatigue or any other specific health complaint. A damaged gut can't absorb the nutrients for the other protocols.

Just how much weight do you need to lose? If you "can't seem to lose those last 10 pounds" then it might be that you need to hang onto that weight for now. Most women gain a little weight around menopause, and according to Susun Weed, that's a healthy thing- extra fat to store extra estrogen to make the change go a little more smoothly. But if you're more than 15 lbs overweight, something else is at play. Your body doesn't need more than 5-15 lbs of extra fat for hormonal balance, and the excess can be unhealthy.


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Just how much total magnesium are you taking from supps each day?

I think that "healing the gut" should come first, before focusing on fatigue or any other specific health complaint. A damaged gut can't absorb the nutrients for the other protocols.

Just how much weight do you need to lose? If you "can't seem to lose those last 10 pounds" then it might be that you need to hang onto that weight for now. Most women gain a little weight around menopause, and according to Susun Weed, that's a healthy thing- extra fat to store extra estrogen to make the change go a little more smoothly. But if you're more than 15 lbs overweight, something else is at play. Your body doesn't need more than 5-15 lbs of extra fat for hormonal balance, and the excess can be unhealthy.


I am 30 kilo's overweight at least. That a bit more then 60 pounds. Gained a lot during my thyroid issues and lost 30 kilo's already, but I still have that same amount to go. During that time doctors told me to eat less, that was why I was gaining so much weight. So I tried dieting and starting drinking a lot of diet drinks... the low calorie intake together with the diet drinks probably screwed up my entire metabolism.




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OK, then it sounds like the weight does need to come off.

The feeling that you're gaining weight could be from the bloating itself. And the bloating might be a "healing crisis" where you feel worse but are actually healing.


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Support your gut. Everything hinges on good digestion and assimilation. The two are not mutually exclusive.



Thanks Angela...

Why won't you all listen? I just don't get it?

Support the gut stop running from supplement to supplement.

Wish you could all come here for breath hydrogen testing.  

If you have never listened to Dr. D speak  buy the conference tapes, he has so much info on them. He specifically talks about A's and BOG and repopulating the gut flora.





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It is not in the mainstream knowledge yet in a tangible way even though there have been studies on this for decades. People know the word probiotics, but they don't understand the biology. "Does that have something to do with yogurt?"  In some ways, I think there is a bit of a threat to some cash flow streams and perhaps this is why the information hasn't flowed freely and sooner.

Bravo to the people here learning. (Me too!) And doing the work!

We have to change the ways we think of symptomology and disease to a paradigm of SUPPORT and HEALTH. The US culture is generally looking for the quick fix and/or a silver bullet pill. Guard yourself against that mindset. Good food, good water, good sleep, good emotional balance-- have you taken care of the basics? Have you repaired damage you've done? How can you bring yourself into balance? I would say a good, functioning gut is ESSENTIAL.

Getting back to a basic understanding of physiology and complexity would be useful for most physicians. If the general public "got it" in a basic way, then we would not be in the dire public health crisis that we are in. There are all sorts of complex money issues with this.

The hydrogen test is a definite "buy in" for many. Seeing my blood in a live cell microscope was for me (and Steve--  ). It still took me a gluten test for me to get serious. ADDICT!

On my soapbox.  

Well as long as I'm here-- check out this brilliant marketing. How this is being marketed on TV and what it is. This is a commercial. Look at the packaging. Hmmm.... my guess is someone is making a lot of money.

http://www.lipozene.com
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amorphophallus_konjac




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Now I'm a B, so we are coming from very different directions.  But with fatigue, the LAST thing I would want to do is suppress my cortisol levels.  So maybe the Cortigard is a contributing factor?  Then again, if low adrenal function isn't a cause in your fatigue, the Cortigard might be a good thing for you.

I second what has been said about healing your body.  That is the first order of business.
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SandrAruba, nothing personal on that last post.

All the other things you are doing are good and supportive as far as you indicate.

Andrea sometimes comes up with a brief, appropriate answer and because people don't get it-- they don't get it or take it to heart. Gut integrity is critical to good health.

Wishing you the very best.


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Sandra, what kind of exercise are you getting? What kind of really-good-for-type-A, mind-body exercises do you do? When you are doing these exercises, what images are in your mind? When you think about yourself, what do you "see" and what do you "hear"? Is it a critical voice, or is it a loving, caring, supportive voice?


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Cortisol is produced when the adrenals are worked up. Not clearing it out is exhausting for me. I have some SNP's that make that a little more challenging to clear.

Holy Basil is a Godsend for me and is balancing to me. Changed my life.


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You both are here so much-- sometimes it's different new people that you are repeating yourself to, and sometimes long time people still having issues. Takes awhile here, too, for new people to sort out what is a person's individual experience and what applies to yourself as an individual-- as well as what REALLY applies to everyone. Discernment.   Learning, learning.


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Okay, I hear what you guys are saying. I am eating very healthy, mostly beneficials and a lot of diamonds from my Swami. The only supplements I was taking was deflect (to heal the gut, it's what I was told deflect does) and kelp capsules. I need iodine, having no thyroid, iodine is essential for me (btw I did the patch test again and I do not have enough iodine in me, the patch is gone within the hour, but that's not important right now).

So I was eating healthy, doing my meditation and I do some light weight lifting to build muscle. It's all I can do at this moment. I am not a supplements person perse, but only use it in case I can't get something out of my food. But I was sleeping badly and terribly tired despite my good efforts (and not loosing weight, yes carrying all this extra weight tiers you out as well, that's why I want to get rid of it). For that I need to be more physically active, but I am unable to do that, because I am so tired. Vicious circle.

So in order to get rid of the fatigue I decided I would do the fatigue protocol described by Dr. D. That includes the B12 sup, cortiguard and polyvita (I don't do the polyvita so I took the geno multi vitamin Exacta). So now I am taking my B12 once a day, my cortiguard twice a day and my vitamin once a day. And of course my deflect and my kelp. One thing I did notice, my mind is calmer, and I do sleep a bit better. I still have trouble getting to sleep, but when I do fall asleep I sleep for 5 to 6 hours straight. So in that area it is helping.

I figured since I wasn't getting enough exercise perhaps it would be wise to add some extra nutrition in the form of the harmonia. Perhaps extra nutrients without calories can help me loose weight as well. And because I know I retain water (thyroid related as well), I wanted to take bromelain. That way I can perhaps loose some of the waterweight that I am carrying around. Again so that I can maybe get rid of this immensely tired feeling. And because my feet were cramping up in the morning when getting out of bed, I started the mineral supps. They helped in the past. It's just not fun, jumping out of bed in pain because your leg is cramping up. The cramping of my legs is just something that comes and goes. I take the minerals for a month and it disappears and then I'm fine again for months and I stop the mineral, until it comes back.

So that is my reasoning behind starting this protocol that I am on. But like I said in my first post, I am not really feeling any better, and the harmonia is probably giving me gas and bloated stomach. At this point I am so tired I can't even get myself to prepare a meal that I so desperately need.

Just trying to give you guys insight in my reasoning for starting with supplements.

So tell me how do I heal my gut? I thought I was doing that with the deflect.




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I do find that yoga gives me energy rather then depletes it.
Qi gong is one of those exercises that gives energy.



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I don't know Sandra, maybe if you list what you are eating someone with more experience with 'gut healing' would be able to give you more information.


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I don't know Sandra, maybe if you list what you are eating someone with more experience with 'gut healing' would be able to give you more information.






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Sounds like typical bacterial overgrowth ( BOG) symptoms. Even if you have been eating this way for years you still can have BOG. You are an A Nonnie this is very common, please consider taking three months of gastro D to kill those bad bugs then follow with polyflora A, deflect, intrinsia and some live cell to reboot the gut.

Even after years of eating this way I tested positive for breath hydrogen a few months ago.

I will retest my Breath Hydrogen after my last bottle of gastro D, in another month but my GI tract feels different already. I had none of the symptoms that you mention but when I test BH ( on my clients) I find that people can pinpoint where the problem is based on gas bloating... and other GI complaints even before I test.



Gas bloating all signs of overgrowth.


Done...





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I need iodine, having no thyroid, iodine is essential for me (btw I did the patch test again and I do not have enough iodine in me, the patch is gone within the hour, but that's not important right now).
Linus Pauling Institute - Iodine

If you have no thyroid, and all your thyroid hormones are taken as medicine/supplements, I doubt you need any iodine in your diet.  AFAIK, the only part of the body to use iodine is the thyroid, and it is only used for the production of thyroid hormone, so if you can't produce any thyroid hormone internally...

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So in order to get rid of the fatigue I decided I would do the fatigue protocol described by Dr. D. That includes the B12 sup, cortiguard and polyvita (I don't do the polyvita so I took the geno multi vitamin Exacta). So now I am taking my B12 once a day, my cortiguard twice a day and my vitamin once a day. And of course my deflect and my kelp. One thing I did notice, my mind is calmer, and I do sleep a bit better. I still have trouble getting to sleep, but when I do fall asleep I sleep for 5 to 6 hours straight. So in that area it is helping.
Apparently, something is improving!

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And because my feet were cramping up in the morning when getting out of bed, I started the mineral supps. They helped in the past. It's just not fun, jumping out of bed in pain because your leg is cramping up. The cramping of my legs is just something that comes and goes. I take the minerals for a month and it disappears and then I'm fine again for months and I stop the mineral, until it comes back.
Maybe it would be best to stay on a mineral supplement indefinitely.  You may have an ongoing deficiency that only manifests as cramps once you have gotten down below a certain point.  Even when you aren't cramping, you may still need more than you are getting without supplementation, and that deficiency could be contributing to the fatigue problem directly or indirectly.

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So tell me how do I heal my gut? I thought I was doing that with the deflect.
In addition to the other suggestions, perhaps some Genoma Security?

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