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LindaB
Friday, June 10, 2011, 6:34pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Why can't I have ghee? I'm not lactose intolerant, but do have problems with casein. I know ghee has neither so what am I reacting too? I have a very serious and immediate reaction to ghee, which lasts about 24 hours...and I found out too that I can't tolerate brown rice, which is the only rice I eat...I know rice has lectins too but it's on my good list as is ghee...a diamond.  

I hope someone has some answers to help me I am so disappointed...
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Yes to the white lines. Eat only from my SWAMI (I love my SWAMI and DR D too)..and no to the liver cleanse. I know that I cannot tolerate that harsh liver cleanse...ie, drinking a half a cup of olive oil and all of that lemon. I know that would make me ill, really cannot put myself through that, as much as I wish I could. I do drink lemon water all day long and olive oil is the only oil I seem to be able to use...
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I did a liver cleanse years ago, may have to consider again since going off the pill.
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I used to be very convinced that ghee gave me problems, but it was actually other foods I was eating with it.  I can't really image why ghee would cause a problem, unless maybe if you have problems digesting other fats.  What symptom(s) does it cause?  I've spent the past 4 years trying to figure out reactions to foods - it's so complicated!


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I used to be very convinced that ghee gave me problems, but it was actually other foods I was eating with it.  I can't really image why ghee would cause a problem, unless maybe if you have problems digesting other fats.  What symptom(s) does it cause?  I've spent the past 4 years trying to figure out reactions to foods - it's so complicated!


Yes it's very complicated. I often think it's one thing only later to find out it was something else. I was in denial about it being ghee and blamed it on the Nut. Yeast, but as the problems persisted...I stopped the ghee . For the most part my stomach distress was mostly improved. Two nights ago I decided to have some with my sweet potato and artichoke, and I'm sorry to discuss this but I immediately started getting gas...which lasted all night, it was like someone was playing drums in my stomach, fluttering ALL NIGHT LONG...and into the following day, bloated, and of course the greasy floating stools... I do/did have a problem with malabsorption which was supposed to be secondary to gluten intolerance...doesn't that go away? I've been off gluten for 3 years other than some episodes of cross contamination. I was hoping to be able to use the ghee to assist with healing.

Anyway I'm just wracking my brain about why? And why rice now? There are very few things that I can have as treats...was liking the rice cakes as a replacement for popcorn. I know this isn't a tragedy as problems go in the world, but it's not easy to just eat meat and vegetable ALL the time. I can't have the sweet fruits even those on my SWAMI because my blood sugar goes crazy...so losing ghee and rice are big for me...sorry for the whine...
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Do you have digestive problems when eating fruit?  Artichoke and brown rice are both high in fructans.  I have fructose malabsorption so I'm prone to constantly questioning if other people have it as well.

I've discovered that I can't eat ANY grains at all.  Even though wheat gluten is people's primary focus, all grains have glutens and you can be sensitive to any (or all) of them.

http://www.foodsmatter.com/dig.....in_no_pain_rose.html


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I haven't done a fasting liver cleanse, either.  I have thought about soaking flannel with castor oil and place over the liver for the evening.

I supplement to support the liver and eat foods from my beneficial list that will help the liver.


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I can have grapefruit and lemons, but all fruits make me hungry, and I can live with that. I can only rarely have the sweeter stuff and only a small amount or my blood sugar starts to yo-yo.

I don't think I can have any grains either...nada...thanks for the article, looks like a good one... But you can eat ghee Brinky?

Thanks ABJoe I might try that castor oil pack as well, hadn't thought of that, good idea . I did get some dandelion tea the other day...and I drink the lemon water...just wish I knew why I can't have the ghee...I want it...
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I can have grapefruit and lemons, but all fruits make me hungry, and I can live with that. I can only rarely have the sweeter stuff and only a small amount or my blood sugar starts to yo-yo.

I don't think I can have any grains either...nada...thanks for the article, looks like a good one... But you can eat ghee Brinky?


If you don't have gastrointestinal problems from fruit then I guess you don't have fructmal.

I actually like living completely grain-free.  I don't have to deal with constantly trying to find gluten free products or trying to figure out what caused a bad reaction.  I just eat meat, veggies, nuts, etc. and forget the rest - it's easier.

And, yes, I can eat ghee.


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If you don't have gastrointestinal problems from fruit then I guess you don't have fructmal.

I actually like living completely grain-free.  I don't have to deal with constantly trying to find gluten free products or trying to figure out what caused a bad reaction.  I just eat meat, veggies, nuts, etc. and forget the rest - it's easier.

And, yes, I can eat ghee.


I understand totally. No, no GI problems with fruits... I do like my diet mostly, and can honestly say I could never go back to eating the SAD...ever...don't miss that. YUK but I can't have most nuts either so it really narrows my food choices. I can have hemp seeds and do love them and also flax seed, so I'm going to practice gratitude...thanks Brinky... Not hearing from anyone else that ghee bothers them...?? I can't be the only one, was hoping for some other insight...
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Hi O-Nonnie!
If it were me, I'd look at the sweet potato or even more-so the artichoke. They're both fibery and carby. I just put a little chopped artchoke on my salads or they make me really hungry (and gassy). Try ghee by just sauteing your fish and see if you react, I really don't see why you would. I'm lactose and probably casien intol and I can have ghee or butter. I have no idea how you determine if you're lactose or casein intol, aren't they both in all dairy?


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Was this store bought ghee or homemade?

How does it look and smell?

If store bought, which brand?  
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Hello Mother...

Well I did have a sweet potato last night with just a touch of olive oil and some nutr. yeast flakes and I didn't react that way. Though I can't say I had no reaction, seems I react to everything...

I'll try it cooked, but I'm gonna wait a few days, that episode made me pretty miserable. I just don't understand why it's bothering me. I got it online, so maybe it's contaminated and I need to make my own? I'll do that and try it again...cross your fingers...haha..

Lactose is a sugar and you need the enzyme lactase to break it down and they say most adults and even many children lack the enzyme...whereas casein is the protein in milk and I seem to react to that. I'm sure there are others who can explain it better than me. As far as I know they are both in most dairy. My sister is terribly lactose intolerant but she can eat cheddar cheese??? The interesting thing is that the enzyme lactase is produced in the micro villi that are damaged from gluten, so they say that if one is gluten intolerant?Celiac they are often lactose intolerant as well...not sure that that is the case. I say that I'm not but I've never been tested. I have family members who are though...I kind of don't like that we can't change that in SWAMI if we did mark it wrongly.
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Quoted from Vicki
Was this store bought ghee or homemade?

How does it look and smell?

If store bought, which brand?  


It's this one Vicki

http://www.iherb.com/Purity-Farms-Organic-Ghee-Clarified-Butter-13-oz-368-g/26860?at=0

It looked yellow and buttery...smelled ok. Thanks Vicki
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Brinky that's a GREAT article. I have gone through that list and I do react to most all of them...rice now being the final one...I haven't had Teff or Sorghum so I don't know about them, but it explains why Millet bread is a problem for me... It also say's that Quinoa is ok but most likely cross contaminated. I have thought that I react to it as well, but now I'm wondering it it wasn't rice all along...like you said it's very complicated.  
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Brinky that's a GREAT article. I have gone through that list and I do react to most all of them...rice now being the final one...I haven't had Teff or Sorghum so I don't know about them, but it explains why Millet bread is a problem for me... It also say's that Quinoa is ok but most likely cross contaminated. I have thought that I react to it as well, but now I'm wondering it it wasn't rice all along...like you said it's very complicated.  


Yeah, I can't even have quinoa or amaranth, which aren't even really grains.  I can't do teff or sorghum either.

Purity Farms ghee is what I use too - it's lactose and caseine free (and organic) so it shouldn't cause any problems.  I'd like to make my own ghee, but I'm extremely lactose intolerant and react to butter so I like having the packaging actually say "lactose free";  I'm afraid if I make it myself it might end up still having some lactose in it.

Maybe you should try going completely grain free to see what happens.  It took a lot of the "mystery" out of food reactions for me.  The problem is that even supplements often contain rice and/or corn so you have to watch out for that.  Also, anything that says maltodextrin or dextrose probably contains corn.  Spices, baking soda, everything has to be examined for "non-grainness"   I eat NO processed or premade food and it's still a battle to stay away from grains



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brinky (love how O nonnie called you that ) - it would be unusual to have any lactose remain the ghee if you make your own, since it separates out into the oily part of the butter & the milky part Ghee is very healing to the gut so should help you...
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Brinky that's a GREAT article. I have gone through that list and I do react to most all of them...rice now being the final one...I haven't had Teff or Sorghum so I don't know about them, but it explains why Millet bread is a problem for me... It also say's that Quinoa is ok but most likely cross contaminated. I have thought that I react to it as well, but now I'm wondering it it wasn't rice all along...like you said it's very complicated.  
yeah good article - & O have to add I do not do well on ANY grains including rice & especially millet

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I understand totally. No, no GI problems with fruits... I do like my diet mostly, and can honestly say I could never go back to eating the SAD...ever...don't miss that. YUK but I can't have most nuts either so it really narrows my food choices. I can have hemp seeds and do love them and also flax seed, so I'm going to practice gratitude...thanks Brinky... Not hearing from anyone else that ghee bothers them...?? I can't be the only one, was hoping for some other insight...

My reactions to fruit & grains can range from constipation, skin bumps, (usually both) or at most, slightly less formed stools, but rarely your typical gut reaction of diarrhea...so imo I would say that frucmal couldn't be ruled out as different ppl have different reactions...

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My reactions to fruit & grains can range from constipation, skin bumps, (usually both) or at most, slightly less formed stools, but rarely your typical gut reaction of diarrhea...so imo I would say that frucmal couldn't be ruled out as different ppl have different reactions...


Possom, you have fructmal?

For me it causes gas, gas, and umm...oh yeah, gas.  and constipation, no diarrhea.  It also caused a lot of depression.  It's crazy what food can do.


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brinky (love how O nonnie called you that ) - it would be unusual to have any lactose remain the ghee if you make your own, since it separates out into the oily part of the butter & the milky part Ghee is very healing to the gut so should help you...


A lot of people have called me brinky.  I guess I should have put an underscore or something in my name to make it more obvious (briny_skysail).  oh well - it really doesn't matter

I guess I'll just have to try making my own ghee.  I'll never know what happens until I try it


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You might try making your own ghee and being sure to simmer it long enough that all the sediment on the bottom of the pot turns golden brown, sort of the color of beer or honey.  Then strain through a very fine mesh stainless steel strainer.  



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Thanks Lola. I started on Dandelion Teas, and I'm taking Deflect but I'll step up the dosage...and get some of the other things. You're a doll, thank you...


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I'm so sorry Brinyskysail...I did miss that, seemed like there was a K in there to me and I just shortened it... So can I call you briny.... just kidding...

Thanks I'm very careful about supplements too. I might try to make my own ghee too, just to see if there is a difference. I really want to use it for healing. I don't eat anything processed either. I buy spices as singles only too. I had no rice or rice cakes   yesterday and am already much better...no more rice...might try quinoa in a few weeks, gonna give my stomach a rest.

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