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Patty H
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I was hoping that some of you could read the link below and interpret this from the perspective of eating fat for a non-secretor.

I seem to remember a recommendation that non-secretors need more fat, protein or both to increase the production of IAP.  Am I incorrect here?

Or can this be interpreted that non-secretors should eat less fat?

The reason I say this is that I thought that my meat portions went up after I determined that I am a non-secretor.  Obviously, I am still researching the fat issue . . .

http://www.drpeterjdadamo.com/wiki/wiki.pl/Intestinal_Alkaline_Phosphatase_(IAP)


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exactly.......and keep following your swami servings
http://www.drpeterjdadamo.com/wiki/wiki.pl?action=browse;oldid=Secretors;id=Secretor_Status

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exactly.......and keep following your swami servings
http://www.drpeterjdadamo.com/wiki/wiki.pl?action=browse;oldid=Secretors;id=Secretor_Status

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Hi Lola, which is it?  Eat more fat or less fat?  More protein or less protein?

I'm sorry but I'm confused by your post  


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Patty, good question

Type O Explorers are not just non-secretor style Hunters.  However, the "protein profile" for me is to get as much protein from as many sources as possible.  I interpret that as implying that there are equivalent, but differing issues with all protein sources, and a heightened need for protein.  

Would a rotating protein source strategy ease the strain on the IAP?


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It took me a while to remember why I think O non-secertors need more protein and maybe more fat.

LR4YT is much more detailed in taking into account secertor status.  The food lists are set up quite differently, with Tier One and Tier Two lists.  But also, the lists are broken down for secretors and none secretors.  The portions are further broken down by ancestry (African, Caucasian, Asian) and secretor, non-secretor and Rh-.  When I look at the Meats and Poultry section on page 138, all non-secretors of the three ancestry types get a significantly  more meat and poultry servings per week than the secretors and Rh- get even more than non-secretors.  Fish and seafood servings are also increased for non-secretors and Rh-.  Dairy, grains, oils and beans/legumes servings are slightly decreased for non-secretors with no reference to Rh-.

I remember being confused by the larger quantities of meat and fish required by non-secretors given our reduced IAP.  There is also the reference to non-secretor's difficulty in breaking down dietary fat.  Can someone help me understand this?  Why would non-secretors need more protein if it is more difficult for them to break down?


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I follow swami to the T, sorry......
yes, frequency values given for you, are those right for you and no one else.....


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Lola,

I still don't have an answer to my original question.

Do non-secretors require more protein than secretors?

Do non-secretors require more fat than secretors?

This is not about my SWAMI, it is about understanding my intestinal needs based on my secertor status.  Also about understanding how the apparent lack of IAP in the non-secretors gut impacts the need for different foods.  I am trying to understand this.

Can someone help me with these questions?


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Quoted from Patty H

Do non-secretors require more protein than secretors?

Do non-secretors require more fat than secretors?


In general-- nonsecretors need more meat protein, but less dairy and vegetable proteins.


But why worry about the general case?

Find out how it would affect you personally--Run SWAMI set to secretor and nonsecretor and see how it changes you serving and diet recommendations.




If in fact, it is the general case that you are interested in and not you specific health recommendations read Live right for Your Type. This book explains how secretor status changes metabolism in humans.  It is not as simple as nonsecretors needing more fat and more protein.


(In fact the general direction for nonsecretors is a decrease in the amount of recommended fat, rather than an increase.  But again that particular fats (and types of fat) recommended change more than quantity)




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In general-- nonsecretors need more meat protein, but less dairy and vegetable proteins.

But why worry about the general case?

Find out how it would affect you personally--Run SWAMI set to secretor and nonsecretor and see how it changes you serving and diet recommendations.



If in fact, it is the general case that you are interested in and not you specific health recommendations read Live right for Your Type. This book explains how secretor status changes metabolism in humans.  It is not as simple as nonsecretors needing more fat and more protein.



Hi C_Sharp,
Thank you for your response.  I am just trying to understand why secretors need more protein when we have a more difficult time breaking it down.  It seems counter-intuitive to me.  I remember being confused about it when I read LR4YT.  I am still confused by it    I don't have a scientific background and some of of the information was over my head.  I would love a simple explanation, if anyone can provide that.  LR4YT for Dummies!

I do have a SWAMI but my fat is extremely limited with SWAMI.  I also tried running it as both a secretor and a non-secretor and there was very little change.  Fats went from 6 tbsp/wk to 7 tbsp/wk as a secretor and red meat went up by one serving per week as a secretor.

Maybe you saw my earlier post about my LDL going up after using GTD and SWAMI.  My blood tests were better on the non-secretor BTD, so I am trying to understand why this might be and tweak for a better outcome when they are tested again.  I think I need to add more fat.  

I am interested in the following sentence:

"(In fact the general direction for nonsecretors is a decrease in the amount of recommended fat, rather than an increase.  But again that particular fats (and types of fat) recommended change more than quantity)"

Are the particular fats you are referring to olive oil, walnut oil, etc?  I am also wondering about ghee.  It is listed as a dairy not a fat.  I was using it much more freely with the non-secretor BTD but my SWAMI only gives me 1/2 tsp 1x per week.  That seems awfully low.

I appreciate your help!


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SWAMI seems to give everyone much lower portions of ghee/butter.
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trying to understand why secretors need more protein when we have a more difficult time breaking it down.


you definitely meant to write non secretors, right Patty?

don t confuse us more!!!! haha


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you definitely meant to write non secretors, right Patty?

don t confuse us more!!!! haha


Yes, Lola.  Sorry if I confused you more.  Obviously a typo.  I meant non-secretors, which I hope would have been understood by the context of my post.     I guess my brain is working faster than my fingers  


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SWAMI seems to give everyone much lower portions of ghee/butter.


Can you expand on this Lloyd?  Do you mean lower portions than in ER4YT or LR4YT?  The reason I ask this is that in LR4YT ghee is considered neutral for non-secretor O's while in my SWAMI it is a superfood, so why are my portions limited to a 1/2 tsp per week in SWAMI if it is a superfood?


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I think what Patty is asking is...
she used to do BT and her cholesterol was great, then she switched to swami and her cholesterol is rising. I believe she's trying to figure out the differences between BT and swami and why so she can adjust her diet and hopefully her cholesterol will follow in the right direction. Swami greatly reduced her fats is sounds so she did as well. sounds too that this may be what raised her cholesterol. Knowing why, I believe, is what she's looking to find out. Of course, I could be wrong...
My swami doesn't change my fats or my proteins, just a few foods.


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I am just trying to understand why secretors ( I assume you mean non  secretors here ) need more protein when we have a more difficult time breaking it down.  It seems counter-intuitive to me.  I remember being confused about it when I read LR4YT.  I am still confused by it    I don't have a scientific background and some of of the information was over my head.  I would love a simple explanation, if anyone can provide that.  LR4YT for Dummies!


Maybe think of it as an absorption issue. If your body is only getting, say 80%, of the protein relative to a secretor then you would have to eat more to get the same useful quantity.





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why are my portions limited to a 1/2 tsp per week in SWAMI if it is a superfood?


ghee for me is under dairy, not under fat

we don t get very much dairy in general


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ghee for me is under dairy, not under fat

we don t get very much dairy in general


Yes, ghee is a dairy, which I did say above, but if it is a superfood, why only 1/2 tsp once a week.  It hardly seems worth the bother . . . or the potential benefit, considering the amount is negligible in the course of food eaten in a week.


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I think what Patty is asking is...
she used to do BT and her cholesterol was great, then she switched to swami and her cholesterol is rising. I believe she's trying to figure out the differences between BT and swami and why so she can adjust her diet and hopefully her cholesterol will follow in the right direction. Swami greatly reduced her fats is sounds so she did as well. sounds too that this may be what raised her cholesterol. Knowing why, I believe, is what she's looking to find out. Of course, I could be wrong...
My swami doesn't change my fats or my proteins, just a few foods.


Yes!  Thank you, Mother!!!  This is what I am trying to understand.  I want to understand the PROTEINS and FATS required for non-secretors.


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Maybe think of it as an absorption issue. If your body is only getting, say 80%, of the protein relative to a secretor then you would have to eat more to get the same useful quantity.


Thank you, shoulderblade!  This helps me tremendously to understand why I need more protein!  You should write a book, LR4YT for Dummies  


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I just wish swami incorporated all those great side tid bits from ER and LR. when we look at swami we tend to forget some of the basic principles. Not swamis fault, there's just so many things to remember and re look up and re look up! ex: we see agave as a diamond 'eat often' but in ER it says no condiments are beneficial and to eat small portions and choose low sugar varieties. Should be common sense but that darn diamond throws things off! All of the books/swamis are great resources, i just need someone to bind an O version for me incorporating them all. lol


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I just wish swami incorporated all those great side tid bits from ER and LR. when we look at swami we tend to forget some of the basic principles. Not swamis fault, there's just so many things to remember and re look up and re look up! ex: we see agave as a diamond 'eat often' but in ER it says no condiments are beneficial and to eat small portions and choose low sugar varieties. Should be common sense but that darn diamond throws things off! All of the books/swamis are great resources, i just need someone to bind an O version for me incorporating them all. lol


Yes!  Then we could see the forest for the trees and visa versa.  Very good thought here.  Sounds like another great book idea or enhancement for SWAMI for Dr. D!  I'll buy and read it as soon as it comes out


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Thank you, shoulderblade!  This helps me tremendously to understand why I need more protein!  You should write a book, LR4YT for Dummies  


That is because I am a dummy. I just try to follow the guidelines and try to figure things out as I go along. It is much nicer to understand what you are doing.

I think it is a very good idea to have a grounding in BTD when you are trying GTD/Swami as it gives you a chance to get the basics down, For O's Beans/Grains/Dairy are the issue points although, like Mother, I tried Swami and got a slightly expanded version of BTD. Fine with me.

There is a certain amount of 'unlearning' going on here which sometimes creates the 'forest for the trees' experience. Try to keep it simple.






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but if it is a superfood, why only 1/2 tsp once a week.


in the gtd book sfs and diamonds were regarded as eat all you want and never look back!

with swami, it is quite different, we get the frequency values which the system computes as right for our unique individuality.......targeted to boot

none the less, guidelines are guidelines and you can tweak those as you consider fit....


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Lola, I think many will agree with me on this.As an example, When frequencies go from all you want to a specific amount , and we are trying to follow all the rules, we just look for possible reasons we need to change things and also for validation that what we are 'tweaking' is ok. As you know, all the basic o principles apply to me involving minimal to no use of dairy, legumes, beans, nuts,sugars, ketosis etc and when I minimize or avoid food groups, I have to up the food groups that i do eat from. SWAMI is great for when I do eat those foods that I minimize  so I know I'm eating the best choices. Sometimes I wonder if I'm eating too much fat or protein since I don't eat carbs but no matter what I try I have to because I'm hungry. I know that's where 'listening to your body' comes in. We trust the diets, all of them or we wouldn't be on it but sometimes validation from you, "the great brain" is important to us. If we are researching and continuing to learn, we just need to make sure we're understanding it correctly. You have an amazing brain and we trust you as much as the diet. Thanks for all your past and continued support


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Lola, I think many will agree with me on this.As an example, When frequencies go from all you want to a specific amount , and we are trying to follow all the rules, we just look for possible reasons we need to change things and also for validation that what we are 'tweaking' is ok. As you know, all the basic o principles apply to me involving minimal to no use of dairy, legumes, beans, nuts,sugars, ketosis etc and when I minimize or avoid food groups, I have to up the food groups that i do eat from. SWAMI is great for when I do eat those foods that I minimize  so I know I'm eating the best choices. Sometimes I wonder if I'm eating too much fat or protein since I don't eat carbs but no matter what I try I have to because I'm hungry. I know that's where 'listening to your body' comes in. We trust the diets, all of them or we wouldn't be on it but sometimes validation from you, "the great brain" is important to us. If we are researching and continuing to learn, we just need to make sure we're understanding it correctly. You have an amazing brain and we trust you as much as the diet. Thanks for all your past and continued support


Yes, exactly Mother    A computer program, no matter how good, is no substitute for listening to your body, educating yourself by reading as much as you possibly can and asking questions on this forum and then taking what works for you to achieve your optimal health.  When I try to tweak, I want to understand the science so that I can make informed decisions.  I think many would agree with Mother that, although SWAMI is great, it is not going to know if beans bother you or carbs make you gain weight, etc., regardless of whether they are considered diamonds, superfoods and SWAMI gives you one serving per week.  If they don't work for you, then you need to figure out what does and how to fill in those gaps.

Otherwise, no one would ever need to go see Dr. D or his associates!!!


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I have replace ghee with limited amounts of olive oil for some time now and have found that a benefit.  Meats provide amino acids and Isa is constantly saying how non-secretors benefit with amino acid supplementation.  A health food store, that I occasionally shop at, is owned by body builder.  He is obviously an Explorer from his proportions and features.  I cannot find such a selection of ammino acid supplements as I have in his store anywhere else.

Any kind of animal protein is an important food resource for me, and I shamelessly plan my meals with the protein determination first.  Although my cravings do prompt me to fry with ghee and eat much more meat, I am not prepared to risk stop loosing weight to play around with that.

Perhaps the key to lowering your cholesterol is limiting the variety of grains to Quinoa and other obscure gluten free grains.


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I have replace ghee with limited amounts of olive oil for some time now and have found that a benefit.  Meats provide amino acids and Isa is constantly saying how non-secretors benefit with amino acid supplementation.  A health food store, that I occasionally shop at, is owned by body builder.  He is obviously an Explorer from his proportions and features.  I cannot find such a selection of ammino acid supplements as I have in his store anywhere else.

Any kind of animal protein is an important food resource for me, and I shamelessly plan my meals with the protein determination first.  Although my cravings do prompt me to fry with ghee and eat much more meat, I am not prepared to risk stop loosing weight to play around with that.

Perhaps the key to lowering your cholesterol is limiting the variety of grains to Quinoa and other obscure gluten free grains.


Paul, I hope it is not too personal a question.  I know that you, like me, are watching your hypertension.  May I ask if you have elevated LDL?  My triglicerides are good, although they went up on the GTD and my HDL is good, although it went down on the GTD.

Your advice about limiting my grains is very good advice.  I have been limiting them more and more as time goes on.  I am only allowed one serving of grain per day, so often times I don't have any grain at all.  I usually only have quinoa or white or brown rice.  Two or three times a week I will have one rice cake with my sardines and onions.  Do you think I should drop the rice as well?


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White rice is high on the glycemic index much like white bread. Anything that is high on the GI is likely to increase LDL cholesterol and triglycerides. Basmati is lower on the GI but should still be limited.


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