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jayneeo
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rather than hijack the thread about anxiety meds, I opened this one to explore anxiety and coffee.
I shouldn't really be drinking coffee...and I tend to go off and on it in a cycle....but I have been having so much anxiety lately...its an awful feeling....and I have been on a long roll of coffee in the morning....due for a quit, I know, but here's the thing:
sleep cycle gets messed up, I sleep poorly, then need the stuff just to bring the brain into the present....anyway....it just occurred to me ....duh, I'm drinking too much coffee. (which to me, is about one cup a day, maybe one and a half)
I'm going to take rhodiola now.......
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reason it being an avoid for us Os

glad I got over it .......it was messing all of my systems actually

26 years ago, when pregnant for the first time.......coffee was the last thing I wished for.......and all through lactation........should have listened to my body then


oh well! live and learn!


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As an A, coffee (italian esresso)more than a cup a day, make me nervous and jittery, not strong and focused, may be I could tolerate one cup, but I drink many cups of green tea and eat a bit of extrabitter chocolate, that is enough of excitants for me ! May be Os need really to avoid it as per Dr D.
I drink a decaf when in social events, as it is nearly beneficial for As.


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Lola,
You are so right.  I couldn't drink coffee, milk or orange juice when I was pregnant......all O avoids.
It took me a long time to learn to listen to my body.   Got sick a couple of weeks ago on a trip to Louisiana and I traced it back to a bridal shower I attended a few days before I left.  It was at a Chinese buffet and as hard as I tried to avoid stuff I shouldn't have eaten I'm sure there was some hidden corn starch or syrup or something in there.  I got a sinus infection and was miserable for a bout 10 days.....
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I used to suffer from anxiety and panic attacks and coffee or tea would always exacerbate/trigger symptoms. I gave it up long before encountering Blood type diet because I felt so awful on caffeine-shaky, anxious, very nauseous and headaches. I seem to be ok with a bar of dark chocolate though-I noice the 'pick up' effect but i doesnt make me feel ill. I need to have it before lunch though or it will affect my sleeping-or if I cant resist a craving Il take Coffea cruda 12X/30C homeopathic remedy to negate effects.

So i would say definitely try reducing or preferably eliminating your intake if you're an O with anxiety. I know quality coffee is utterly delicious-I love the smell too though so I can enjoy that anyway if other people are drinking!    
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its so hard with my DH making a great pot of Peet's every morning...........but no whining, I'm starting on morning thunder tomorrow morning, then wean onto yerba mate and green tea.
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my last meeting with café ended into a panic attac.... so what... ...
ok for a larger intake of mg... and then all is fine  


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its so hard with my DH making a great pot of Peet's every morning...........but no whining, I'm starting on morning thunder tomorrow morning, then wean onto yerba mate and green tea.

Jayneeo,
Wow this sounds like me too!.  I've been coffee free for 2 weeks tomorrow.  Like you i've been off and on, i can't count how many times i've done this.  I've recently realized that coffee seemed to be making my anxiety worse, plus i have high blood pressure.  This is the reason i decided to quit this time.  It's hard though when a significant other drinks it though.  Good thing is my bf has never been a heavy drinker of it, just when i made it he'd drink it.  The first week was hard because he kept asking why aren't you making coffee, i told him well i'm not drinking it anymore but he could make a pot for himself if he wanted.

It's getting harder though now since we just found out that his mom only has maybe a couple of weeks to live.  So i really want a cup of coffee and my anxiety is getting worse.  I think the coffee feeds the anxiety.  Another thing is i guess i thought i would notice a miraculous difference from being off coffee for two weeks but i haven't really noticed much of a change in anything, maybe i'm not giving it enough time.  I'm drinking black tea for now to negate some of the withdrawal symptoms, plus it is a superfood.  But i'll need to get off that eventually because i can't seem to have it without cream.  But one step at a time, i don't want to overwhelm myself especially given the current situation with my BF's mom.

BTW, What is morning thunder?.

Thanks!
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Coffee is not my friend....I used to drink decaf when I followed the BTD for A until I realized the small amount of caffeine was causing anxiety....I entered caffeine sensitivity on my SWAMI and coffee became a toxin...  I don't even like the taste of coffee.  The reason I think the caffeine in green tea doesn't bother me is because of the theanine....which feels rather calming to my nervous system.  I can drink green tea at night and sleep well.  When I drank coffee when following the BTD, even if I had it first thing in the morning, I never slept well.  I'm not any better on dark chocolate.  My heart starts racing and I feel like my whole body is vibrating.  SWAMI made chocolate a black dot.





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I have no idea how you would respond to the loss of acffeine.. some get bad headaches ..

But IF you would like to try something else that works for me..

I bought plain Cocoa powder and I drink it in hot water in the morning .. sort of like coffee .. the taste is ko not great.. you could add sugar and milk as you normally do to make it less shocking..

drink it and if you are lucky you will never be gittery again.. at least not from coffee .. if that does not wrok and you get headaches then mix the cocoa half and half with cofffee or de-cafe.. anything to cut down slowely..

Right now I would like to say you are more then likley experincing hypoglycemia rather then anxiety.. anxiety does not forewarn.. more like comes on without warning at all..  

you are going through nerve wrecking info and might well be under great stress, so do what you can to alleviate 'so called' anxiety.. rest, eat, cook good foods, come here and type away,, and try to reduce the caffeine intake being aware of headaches for about a week after ...

but most important  KNOW that you WILL BE OK no matter what.. YOU will MAKE it through .. one minute at a time.. BUT YOU WILL ! YOU have done it before and will do it again!!! KEEP THAT thought.. write it on the fridg.. whatever.. good luck

ps/ cocoa took away all my cravings for all sorts of stuff and it is BENEFICIAL!      
  


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I am caffeine sensitive so SWAMI made coffee an avoid for me, but I hadn't thought about decaf - I guess I could drink that without it being an avoid since I am an A??  

I find even more than one cup of green tea seems to interfere with my sleep  
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well, I have been dealing with sleep problems as well as anxiety....gee could it be the caffeine?
Thanks, Goldie, Mickey, etc. as you all know it helps to talk. (or type)
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Jayneeo - my sleep problems all but vanished when I gave up coffee and limited my green tea intake.
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thanks Ladyhawke! I need to try that!
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Dear Jayneeo!  I do feel for you with the coffee struggles.  I developed a coffee addiction in my early teens and it did involve quitting it many times before it finally 'took'.  I think what finally did it was being close to someone who had problems with drug addiction and I saw how the drug created the very problems that the use of the drug "seemed to" temporarily alleviate.  I really saw the comparison between what he was going through and my coffee habit; and how the justification would take him round and round, while he avoided seeing how the drug was keeping him locked into a state of imbalance and misery;  also powerlessness.  

Stopping it is no fun, for a while, anyway.  Do whatever you have to do to break that habit, even if it is overloading on green tea, white tea, mate, black tea.  Sip Mate or green tea as much as you want for a little while to ease the caffeine withdrawals.  And be willing to become attached to mate and green tea.  Goldie's suggestion of cocoa in hot water is worth looking into, also -- a diamond for gatherers, anyway.  

Hang in there and we are on your team!    



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Thanks so much Victoria! Tomorrow: morning thunder! (black tea and yerba mate by celestial seasonings)
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Thanks so much Victoria! Tomorrow: morning thunder! (black tea and yerba mate by celestial seasonings)


    

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Blackstrap molasses with some carob, a spit of agave - works good for me.  Just can't order it at the cafe's on the strip.  
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I actually had a coffee today (and a strong one at that!) - all that talk about it made me crave one again, so it will be interesting to see how I sleep tonight...
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well, I have been dealing with sleep problems as well as anxiety....gee could it be the caffeine?


I would say yes! I never cared for coffee but drank it occasionally to be social and regretted it every time! Heart racing, jittery, feeling of jumping out of my skin. It felt like a drug.

Something I'll always remember concerning coffee and sleep. A few years ago we visited Italy and stayed in a Villa. The host offered us a cup of cappuccino upon arrival. How could I refuse this quintessential Italian drink in the country of its origin? Well, I was up for nearly three days! Dragging my way through the beautiful landscapes of the area on practically no sleep! I think I am done forever with coffee.


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I'm not that sure anymore if really cafeine is the culprit.. I thinke merely how café is treated...roasted etc ---- a sort of age while roasting  
it's amazing I drunk tons of café until 2006... in fall I got soo sick that I never touched a cup of café again.....


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Well here I am wide awake after midnight and I haven't done that for months!! Obviously I shouldn't drink coffee if I want to sleep  
Although it may have something to do with the fact that DH is coughing like mad and I have retreated to the couch in the lounge to escape, plus our 2 "air travel traumatised" cats are still adjusting to their new home and are not happy about being locked inside at night to avoid being eaten by a python like the poor Siamese down the road  
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I have been a coffee-holic for years.  Ground my beans fresh every morning.  LOVE Espresso without any sweetener, too!  I have had my coffee black, no sweetener for over 30 years.  Giving up my morning coffee was definitely the biggest challenge for me on the BTD.  I have to have my green tea every morning, just like I had my coffee - without any milk or sweeteners.  I like it but I still miss my daily shot of java!    I also did not go through the withdrawals because of the caffeine in the green tea.  If I could choose one thing that is an AVOID added back as a Beneficial, it would be the coffee!  Wheat, dairy, corn . . . I can live without them.

However, for someone dealing with anxiety, I wonder if caffeine in any form might trigger the anxiety


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I find I can't have green tea on an empty stomach, so I typically have it with breakfast.

I like my yerba mate with cocoa powder added. I used to brew 2 teaspoons of mate for a big mug of tea, but now I use 1 teaspoon, and add 1 teaspoon of cocoa powder and a generous sprinkle of cinnamon, and stir well before adding the rice milk. I've added blackstrap molasses to this in the past,  but recently I've found it's almost as tasty without it, and this way I save my sweetener serving for later in the day (or I can skip it some days.)


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I find I can't have green tea on an empty stomach, so I typically have it with breakfast.

I like my yerba mate with cocoa powder added. I used to brew 2 teaspoons of mate for a big mug of tea, but now I use 1 teaspoon, and add 1 teaspoon of cocoa powder and a generous sprinkle of cinnamon, and stir well before adding the rice milk. I've added blackstrap molasses to this in the past,  but recently I've found it's almost as tasty without it, and this way I save my sweetener serving for later in the day (or I can skip it some days.)


Ruthiegirl, do you make your own rice milk or buy it?  I have been having a difficult time finding a rice milk without all the oil and cane sugar.  If you buy it, might I ask what brand you buy?  Lola recommended I make it but I make so many other things and I work, so I only have so much time . . .


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Day 1 - coffee free! (not caffeine free, had morning thunder tea!) Lets see how this affects my current state of mind and sleep.
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I'm not that sure anymore if really cafeine is the culprit..


I agree.  I think the real issue is the coffee, not the caffeine.  



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I love coffee...can't live without it... in the morning. I can even get sensitive to it. More when I was younger. Me and my sister are coffee drinkers. My sister won't even drink tea.
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I'm not that sure anymore if really cafeine is the culprit.. I thinke merely how café is treated...roasted etc ---- a sort of age while roasting  
it's amazing I drunk tons of café until 2006... in fall I got soo sick that I never touched a cup of café again.....
A local coffee shop owner who roasts his own beans told me that coffee made from the darker roasts actually has less caffeine than coffee made from the lighter roasts.



My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.

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Does anyone know if there is a difference between the coffee here and the coffee in Europe.  In Europe the taste is not so bitter as here.  And if I have coffee there I am not jittery or agitated as when I have it here (I'm not supposed to have it).  Is there a difference?
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I've been making my own rice milk, simply because I couldn't find anything compliant in the store. Oh, and because it saves me a ton of money. And because I can make it thicker so it's creamier.   I posted the recipe in the typebase.

I did find a few products in the stores that were very close to being compliant. Both Rice Dream Original and Trader Joe's Rice Beverage (which is probably Rice Dream in different packaging) contain avoid oils (actually, MAY contain avoid oils, since they don't specify which of 3 oils the product uses) but is otherwise OK. Water, rice, sea salt, and a touch of "this and/or that and/or the other" oil, one of which was compliant but 2 of which weren't. And then there's something like 1 gram of oil per 8oz serving, and I only use about 2oz a day as a creamer, so it's a REALLY small amount of avoid oil.

I've never seen a rice milk with added cane sugar, though soy and nut milks tend to contain sugar plus other nasties like xanthan gum.  

If money wasn't so tight, and my health was overall OK, I'd probably continue buying the Rice Dream for the convenience. But I seem to be very sensitive to even small amounts of avoids, so I feel safer not chancing it. If you need to compromise somewhere, I thinnk it's reasonable to use purchased rice milk.


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I posted the recipe in the typebase.

Ruthiegirl,
I looked in the recipe base for your rice milk recipe.  I did not see it, is it under something other than "rice milk"?.

Thanks!
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Desiree,
I know coffee in Provence and Languedoc France are different from here. I love the way they stem the milk, pour it into the coffee bowl then pour in the coffee. It is not bitter and rather creamy like a hot chocolate, n'est pas? It may be in the roast?


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Have you experimented with some of the different varieties of beans, such as French Roast, Italian Roast, etc.?  Also places that sell bulk coffee beans usually have a number of brands to choose from.  And there are several different ways to brew coffee.  Some make the coffee taste much better than others.



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None of which I can have  


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I recently tried a warm cup of carob (added carob powder to a cup of hot water) looking for a different warm drink. To me, it tasted too much like coffee and I didn't care for it but maybe coffee lovers would like it. Carob is a bean (with no caffeine) so I can see why there would be similarities.


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I like my yerba mate with cocoa powder added. I used to brew 2 teaspoons of mate for a big mug of tea, but now I use 1 teaspoon, and add 1 teaspoon of cocoa powder and a generous sprinkle of cinnamon, and stir well before adding the rice milk. I've added blackstrap molasses to this in the past,  but recently I've found it's almost as tasty without it, and this way I save my sweetener serving for later in the day (or I can skip it some days.)


Ruthygirl... you are the best.. by the time you add all those things is it still a drink of a meal..

I dont like any of the green teas, they have little good flavor (for me) and forget the caffeine replacement does not work for me neither.. but IF I added all those things who knows what would come of it..   you are so daring and you carry through.. admirable!

I HAVE a THOUGHT ON ALL COFFEE entries in SWAMI.. should ALL WHO are ADDICTED consider it a PROBLEM?? my theory.. if you are addicted then it's a problem.. those who can drink it or leave it done have one.. my mom was one of those who could or could not drink it.. there are such.. but those who really have a NEED for it we have issues and should 'own' up to it.

Coffee versus DE_CAF.. I did that for 30 years.. on off ,on again, off again.. tough..since I really don't like other liquids.. (habit and taste)  but the problem with de-caf is that the beans are what we are not supposed to have .. its not the effect of caffeine.. for that we can have teas.  

NOW however in doing the cocoa powder I am much happier.. and I am 'feeling' things in my intestines that seem to be better, and worse, like I never felt my intestines but having grown fat over the intestines is a sign of something.. I think it's a sign of intestines crying out for HELP..

I don't know how to explain it, but there is a connection between what we eat and how the intestines behave.. Doh ! yes we know that...  but also I think we actually do all sort of damage for years NOT KNOWING BETTER and coffee is one fo those..   even going so far.. as we would not 'need' coffee so desperatly just to make it through the day.. its like the post above about it being a drug.. INDEED it is.. it is good to recognise that first and foremost!!!

BUT do get OFF it easy. cutting down.. and never buying it on the strip/mall/ way to strong / flavor comradery, approval, ego/ to expensive.. . or expect headaches for 5 days... THEY can be helped tremendously and shortened to 3 days by drinking Pepermint tea all day..    good luck.  



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That looks delicious, Lola.
Day 2 on Morning Thunder!!!
It seems there are different kinds of caffeine.....yerba mate has "matteine", which some say is just a kind of caffeine, but many of us will tell you it acts differently than caffeine from coffee. It is a "smooth" high. Not jangley at all.
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Day 2, Jayneeo!    How are you feeling so far?



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I'm doing fine so far.....but as I recall, the big headache strikes on the third day... but I'll be prepared. Usually a strong black tea will stave it off, and I'm having morning thunder which has bl. tea in it.....so...
I'm actually surprised that I'm able to withstand the coffee temptation.....
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Jayneeo,
I have been following this thread with interest.  I have repeatedly gone off coffee and used teas instead.  But recently I slipped back into the old Peet's addiction.  It's never more than a cup a day, but that cup is wrecking havoc with my mood, and I have a migraine that is because I am drinking it.
Today is black tea only, but I suspect I have to get off that too.  I mean swami says no black tea or coffee for me.  I am aiming for Kukicha again.  Just wanted to commiserate, but you sound like you are doing well!  Congrats on the good work!
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Thinking of you coffee escapees today!  



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Day 3, coffee free!
Paula, its funny how my pattern is so similar to yours!! (love the Peet's) I've been down this road numerous times before...the stuff just sneaks up on ya!
One thing to remember is I like how my mouth/breath taste on tea a lot more than coffee.
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You are so right!  Yucky coffee breath!
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Thank-you, Cajun. So I'm not completely crazy! Only partially   It does tatste different.  It might just be that I like to order it "Cafe creme, sil vous plait!" when I'm over there    But it is different.  As Victoria mentioned, I have - in the past, tried various types of beans and roasts.  Still didn't compare.  I think that's a good thing, because I should not be drinking coffee and the strong, bitter remembrance of it keeps me away.  Oh how I wish restaurants, and cafe's would serve Dr. D's Carob extract, with a touch of black strap.     I get the "there's another one of those health nuts" looks because I usually carry my own SWAMI compliant seasonings and condiments with me when we go out to eat.  I even have my own agave on hand.  In fact, if you look in my big bag you might see one of those new Dr. D stores sitting in there!

So thanks, I was just wondering about the various coffee tastes/processes and my connumdrum has come to an end  
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Ruthiegirl,
I looked in the recipe base for your rice milk recipe.  I did not see it, is it under something other than "rice milk"?.

Thanks!
Mickey  


You need to search in "recipe name" and then it's the only one that shows up. I have no clue why it doesn't show up otherwise.

http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/recipedepictor7x.cgi?1308

The cooking time isn't so important- I've left it in on low overnight, though you may need to add more water so it doesn't cook down too much during extended cooking time.  The longer it cooks, the sweeter it becomes.

I often cook it with 3 cups of water, then blend it with ice rather than waiting for it to cool before blending and straining.


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Day 4 ...have escaped the dreaded withdrawal headache....now having mate' chocolatte,  (yerba mate and cocoa) a blend from some tea company. yum.
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Ruthiegirl,
Thanks for the recipe, it doesn't look too complicated and i like that i can use my crockpot!.  

Jayneeo,
Can you tell me the brand and where you got the cocoa/matte combo. tea from?.  I also live in S.J.

Thanks!
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Sure, neighbor!
I got it at Whole Foods, los gatos. It is Guayaki brand Yerba Mate with cocoa and spices. You'll like it!
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Way to go giving up the coffee, jayneeo! Now there's more for me!


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Day 4 of no coffee.......its so tempting when I see hubby having it!
...sleep problems continue as I try to get off Ambien (4 hrs last night)
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There's also a Double Dark Chocolate Mate from Republic of Tea that is pretty good with some veg
glycerin to sweeten....yummo!
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Good job, Jayneeo!  

Have you tried taking magnesium, especially in the p.m.?  It's relaxing and helps the body let go.  What about a little transdermal progesterone.  I sleep so much better during the days of the month when I am using the progesterone cream.  (I cycle with it as recommended after menopause - a few days in a row each month stopping the cream)



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Thanks, Victoria...I have some trans. progesterone....but stopped it when gyno said its placebo only! (hmmm, I shoulda known she'd say that)
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Good going Jayneeo! I admire your will power.


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ah, welllll, slept so poorly last night ....had to have a cappucino to get thru my monthly shift at the gallery....it felt really ungrounded. Tomorrow back to tea.......for sure!
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Hope you sleep better tomorrow night, Jaynee!  



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ah, slept better last night, having morning thunder right now. (bl. tea and mate')

you see how it is...coffee used as a last resort drug out of desperation.
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We tend to slip to the old default, when under times of stress.  



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ok, I haven't repeated my desperate cappuccino caper!   Just my morning thunder, sometimes w/a tsp. of black and green (brand) cocoa.
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Thanks, Victoria...I have some trans. progesterone....but stopped it when gyno said its placebo only! (hmmm, I shoulda known she'd say that)


My progesterone levels rose after using the OTC cream, so it definitely was not placebo.


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Morning Thunder with cocoa sounds great!  



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ah, welllll, slept so poorly last night ....had to have a cappucino to get thru my monthly shift at the gallery....it felt really ungrounded. Tomorrow back to tea.......for sure!



I sleep poorly also.  I read a cure for insomnia at zenhabits http://zenhabits.net/sleep/.  I haven't tried it yet but it sounds like a maybe, at least I hope.

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Jayneeo, do you have a lot on your mind? I know I don't sleep as well when I have thoughts going round and round in my head.




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curiouser, link didn't work for me, but, thanks.
Drea, yeah, I've got certain emotional issues lately....
Lola, yeah I've got methyl B-12....I think it helps a bit.
Fact is, I may need more activity or ...exercize....just to wear me out.
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curiouser, link didn't work for me, but, thanks.


http://zenhabits.net/sleep/


Looks like some of the sentence was included in the link. Hope this works.
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begin by eliminating the coffee from your life!


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Jayneeo, another good Bach Flower remedy for "too many thoughts" is White Chestnut, which is also in the Rescue Sleep.


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curiouser, that's a nice website.  



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Coffee definitely makes my anxiety worse. And it doesn't even give me the boost that most people feel. I just end up not being able to sleep.

I know it sounds silly, but if apple juice is on your plan, you could try that instead of coffee as well, to try to get a pick me up if you need it.
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coffee is out! morning thunder is  IN!
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oh, yeah, curiouser....love the link.   will try.
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Jaynee,
Really hoping you get that full, unbroken sleep you deserve!
Maybe some rocking out to some great tunes during the day?! Seriously, it helps me.....of course its just me and my dogs in my little garage gym ....it really is a stress reliever!


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congrats .. but maybe all you did was exchange it for later.. but I do think it's much easier to get of th other stimulants, they are less connected with the ceremony..

it took me until I drank cocoa powder in hot water to finally be able to say I have no memory of (neeeeding) coffee.. it works for me.. and I am not missing it at all.. mostly in the morning..

congrats you know that what you did  is a big thing..    


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Quoted from jayneeo
rather than hijack the thread about anxiety meds, I opened this one to explore anxiety and coffee.
I shouldn't really be drinking coffee...and I tend to go off and on it in a cycle....but I have been having so much anxiety lately...its an awful feeling....and I have been on a long roll of coffee in the morning....due for a quit, I know, but here's the thing:
sleep cycle gets messed up, I sleep poorly, then need the stuff just to bring the brain into the present....anyway....it just occurred to me ....duh, I'm drinking too much coffee. (which to me, is about one cup a day, maybe one and a half)
I'm going to take rhodiola now.......


Was never much of a coffee drinker. But when I did try it after starting LR, I had a lot worse reaction to it than before. I leave it alone. Coffee enimas on the other hand..... Used to do those now and again when I was trying to break the parasite. I didn't have any negative reaction to those.
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I used to have intense energy that "bounced" around my body when i drank coffee and took ginseng.  I thought it was good for me as an A.  I am glad i ran into the genotype diet.  Both ginseng and coffee, caffeine in general, are very bad for explorer genotypes.

I would get surges of adrenaline when i was drinking coffee every day, and had a very short temper.  I was getting into fights and racing cars on the road as well.  My road rage was incredibly bad when i consumed caffeine regularly, like it built up in my body.  With hot weather as well, i had way too much hot energy in my body.

I had started drinking coffee again, and black tea, but put a halt to it day before yesterday.  Caffeine is just terrible for me, gave me high anxiety, high anger, and actual decreases in focus.  Avoiding caffeine is probably the most important thing i learned in the whole genotype book, along with the necessity to sweat and push it when exercising.  It balances me out and gives me calm focus.
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I call that a "mocha mate" personally (made from loose yerba mate tea leaves, then strain and stir in cocoa powder, homemade rice milk, and sometimes blackstrap molasses.)


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i was a big coffee fan. i had a cup or two every day. caffen never bothered me, i could drink esspresso and go to bed. i was already going to tea before bt though becuse it gave me problems with acid. i had a low acid coffee i used to drink but i finally gave that up too.
now i have my yeba matte with carob abd raw cacoa every morning instead. a bit of raw suger and a spash of cream even it out nicly. tried agave but it just did not work in the mix, might try molasis if i ever get around to buying some.


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Here is a good article.  I think it is very important for slow acelylaters such as myself to know.  One cup of coffee for me would equal at least a couple for a lot of ya'll out there i feel.  And it stacks up day after day if you drink caffeine every day.

I stopped drinking coffee and caffeine two days ago and feel already remarkably calmer.

http://www.seattlepi.com/lifes.....-attacks-1197772.php
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Good article.  Coffee is a beneficial for some A's though.
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Coffee definitely makes my anxiety worse. And it doesn't even give me the boost that most people feel. I just end up not being able to sleep..


One of the very important things I learned from Attacking Anxiety and Depression course is when anxiety keeps me from sleeping, which is rare now, I was told to tell myself..in my mind...
"I am calm, I am relaxed, I am comfortable"  Just keep thinking it over and over and you'll see..the anxiety goes away and you fall asleep. Really good course on handling Anxiety and depression yourself
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