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jayneeo
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Day 1 - coffee free! (not caffeine free, had morning thunder tea!) Lets see how this affects my current state of mind and sleep.
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Quoted from Amazone I.
I'm not that sure anymore if really cafeine is the culprit..


I agree.  I think the real issue is the coffee, not the caffeine.  



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I love coffee...can't live without it... in the morning. I can even get sensitive to it. More when I was younger. Me and my sister are coffee drinkers. My sister won't even drink tea.
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Quoted from Amazone I.
I'm not that sure anymore if really cafeine is the culprit.. I thinke merely how café is treated...roasted etc ---- a sort of age while roasting  
it's amazing I drunk tons of café until 2006... in fall I got soo sick that I never touched a cup of café again.....
A local coffee shop owner who roasts his own beans told me that coffee made from the darker roasts actually has less caffeine than coffee made from the lighter roasts.



My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.

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Does anyone know if there is a difference between the coffee here and the coffee in Europe.  In Europe the taste is not so bitter as here.  And if I have coffee there I am not jittery or agitated as when I have it here (I'm not supposed to have it).  Is there a difference?
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I've been making my own rice milk, simply because I couldn't find anything compliant in the store. Oh, and because it saves me a ton of money. And because I can make it thicker so it's creamier.   I posted the recipe in the typebase.

I did find a few products in the stores that were very close to being compliant. Both Rice Dream Original and Trader Joe's Rice Beverage (which is probably Rice Dream in different packaging) contain avoid oils (actually, MAY contain avoid oils, since they don't specify which of 3 oils the product uses) but is otherwise OK. Water, rice, sea salt, and a touch of "this and/or that and/or the other" oil, one of which was compliant but 2 of which weren't. And then there's something like 1 gram of oil per 8oz serving, and I only use about 2oz a day as a creamer, so it's a REALLY small amount of avoid oil.

I've never seen a rice milk with added cane sugar, though soy and nut milks tend to contain sugar plus other nasties like xanthan gum.  

If money wasn't so tight, and my health was overall OK, I'd probably continue buying the Rice Dream for the convenience. But I seem to be very sensitive to even small amounts of avoids, so I feel safer not chancing it. If you need to compromise somewhere, I thinnk it's reasonable to use purchased rice milk.


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I posted the recipe in the typebase.

Ruthiegirl,
I looked in the recipe base for your rice milk recipe.  I did not see it, is it under something other than "rice milk"?.

Thanks!
Mickey  


"Let food be thy medicine"

Dr. D has said many times that it's not about what you don't eat but what you do eat that makes the difference.  "Quoted by Jane"
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Desiree,
I know coffee in Provence and Languedoc France are different from here. I love the way they stem the milk, pour it into the coffee bowl then pour in the coffee. It is not bitter and rather creamy like a hot chocolate, n'est pas? It may be in the roast?


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Have you experimented with some of the different varieties of beans, such as French Roast, Italian Roast, etc.?  Also places that sell bulk coffee beans usually have a number of brands to choose from.  And there are several different ways to brew coffee.  Some make the coffee taste much better than others.



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caffeine comes in many shapes and forms......


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Quoted from Lola
caffeine comes in many shapes and forms......


None of which I can have  


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I recently tried a warm cup of carob (added carob powder to a cup of hot water) looking for a different warm drink. To me, it tasted too much like coffee and I didn't care for it but maybe coffee lovers would like it. Carob is a bean (with no caffeine) so I can see why there would be similarities.


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I like my yerba mate with cocoa powder added. I used to brew 2 teaspoons of mate for a big mug of tea, but now I use 1 teaspoon, and add 1 teaspoon of cocoa powder and a generous sprinkle of cinnamon, and stir well before adding the rice milk. I've added blackstrap molasses to this in the past,  but recently I've found it's almost as tasty without it, and this way I save my sweetener serving for later in the day (or I can skip it some days.)


Ruthygirl... you are the best.. by the time you add all those things is it still a drink of a meal..

I dont like any of the green teas, they have little good flavor (for me) and forget the caffeine replacement does not work for me neither.. but IF I added all those things who knows what would come of it..   you are so daring and you carry through.. admirable!

I HAVE a THOUGHT ON ALL COFFEE entries in SWAMI.. should ALL WHO are ADDICTED consider it a PROBLEM?? my theory.. if you are addicted then it's a problem.. those who can drink it or leave it done have one.. my mom was one of those who could or could not drink it.. there are such.. but those who really have a NEED for it we have issues and should 'own' up to it.

Coffee versus DE_CAF.. I did that for 30 years.. on off ,on again, off again.. tough..since I really don't like other liquids.. (habit and taste)  but the problem with de-caf is that the beans are what we are not supposed to have .. its not the effect of caffeine.. for that we can have teas.  

NOW however in doing the cocoa powder I am much happier.. and I am 'feeling' things in my intestines that seem to be better, and worse, like I never felt my intestines but having grown fat over the intestines is a sign of something.. I think it's a sign of intestines crying out for HELP..

I don't know how to explain it, but there is a connection between what we eat and how the intestines behave.. Doh ! yes we know that...  but also I think we actually do all sort of damage for years NOT KNOWING BETTER and coffee is one fo those..   even going so far.. as we would not 'need' coffee so desperatly just to make it through the day.. its like the post above about it being a drug.. INDEED it is.. it is good to recognise that first and foremost!!!

BUT do get OFF it easy. cutting down.. and never buying it on the strip/mall/ way to strong / flavor comradery, approval, ego/ to expensive.. . or expect headaches for 5 days... THEY can be helped tremendously and shortened to 3 days by drinking Pepermint tea all day..    good luck.  



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That looks delicious, Lola.
Day 2 on Morning Thunder!!!
It seems there are different kinds of caffeine.....yerba mate has "matteine", which some say is just a kind of caffeine, but many of us will tell you it acts differently than caffeine from coffee. It is a "smooth" high. Not jangley at all.
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Day 2, Jayneeo!    How are you feeling so far?



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I'm doing fine so far.....but as I recall, the big headache strikes on the third day... but I'll be prepared. Usually a strong black tea will stave it off, and I'm having morning thunder which has bl. tea in it.....so...
I'm actually surprised that I'm able to withstand the coffee temptation.....
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Jayneeo,
I have been following this thread with interest.  I have repeatedly gone off coffee and used teas instead.  But recently I slipped back into the old Peet's addiction.  It's never more than a cup a day, but that cup is wrecking havoc with my mood, and I have a migraine that is because I am drinking it.
Today is black tea only, but I suspect I have to get off that too.  I mean swami says no black tea or coffee for me.  I am aiming for Kukicha again.  Just wanted to commiserate, but you sound like you are doing well!  Congrats on the good work!
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Thinking of you coffee escapees today!  



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Day 3, coffee free!
Paula, its funny how my pattern is so similar to yours!! (love the Peet's) I've been down this road numerous times before...the stuff just sneaks up on ya!
One thing to remember is I like how my mouth/breath taste on tea a lot more than coffee.
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You are so right!  Yucky coffee breath!
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Thank-you, Cajun. So I'm not completely crazy! Only partially   It does tatste different.  It might just be that I like to order it "Cafe creme, sil vous plait!" when I'm over there    But it is different.  As Victoria mentioned, I have - in the past, tried various types of beans and roasts.  Still didn't compare.  I think that's a good thing, because I should not be drinking coffee and the strong, bitter remembrance of it keeps me away.  Oh how I wish restaurants, and cafe's would serve Dr. D's Carob extract, with a touch of black strap.     I get the "there's another one of those health nuts" looks because I usually carry my own SWAMI compliant seasonings and condiments with me when we go out to eat.  I even have my own agave on hand.  In fact, if you look in my big bag you might see one of those new Dr. D stores sitting in there!

So thanks, I was just wondering about the various coffee tastes/processes and my connumdrum has come to an end  
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Ruthiegirl,
I looked in the recipe base for your rice milk recipe.  I did not see it, is it under something other than "rice milk"?.

Thanks!
Mickey  


You need to search in "recipe name" and then it's the only one that shows up. I have no clue why it doesn't show up otherwise.

http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/recipedepictor7x.cgi?1308

The cooking time isn't so important- I've left it in on low overnight, though you may need to add more water so it doesn't cook down too much during extended cooking time.  The longer it cooks, the sweeter it becomes.

I often cook it with 3 cups of water, then blend it with ice rather than waiting for it to cool before blending and straining.


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Day 4 ...have escaped the dreaded withdrawal headache....now having mate' chocolatte,  (yerba mate and cocoa) a blend from some tea company. yum.
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