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Sheldon
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I was wondering, how would you go about finding out the other allele of your ABO blood type (I'm an A, so am I AA or AO?) from a medical testing point of view.

And also, how do you go about getting tested for your MN subgroup (there doesnt appear to be much info on it here in Australia), and does anyone think Dr. D'adamo will bring out a testing kit for that?

Thanks!  


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Knowing what your parents are will determine your other allele.

I am Ao.. Mother was an A, father an O.




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Yeah i thought that, but the problem ive got is that my mother is an A and my father is an AB, so my mother could be AA, which means i got the A from both parents, or she could be an AO, which means i could have got the A from both parents, or the A from my father and the O from my mother!  


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why does this matter?


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i wasnt sure if it was mentioned anywhere with the diet if you needed to know the other allele or not?


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i wasnt sure if it was mentioned anywhere with the diet if you needed to know the other allele or not?


Whether your genotype is AO or AA does not affect the diet recommendations in Peter D'Adamo's books.

One may also be able to tell whether you are AO by considering your children's blood type. If you have one ore more children that are Blood type O or bloodtype B, you would be AO. If you do not have any B or O children, it does not indicate that you are AA.




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why does this matter?


It's interesting, that's why i imagine, although it seems that Peter's dad pts more emphasis on this (assuming i have interpreted his book correctly.



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ask around for a serotyping panel
subtype of A
MN system
Lewis antigen
and RH factor

and maybe they can guide you as to how to test for your allele
but the info above would be more useful to you


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Whether your genotype is AO or AA does not affect the diet recommendations in Peter D'Adamo's books.

One may also be able to tell whether you are AO by considering your children's blood type. If you have one ore more children that are Blood type O or bloodtype B, you would be AO. If you do not have any B or O children, it does not indicate that you are AA.




so far:

ABO plays a role,
Rhesus plays a role,
Lewis plays a role (BTD/GTD people would hardly know without Dr. D?),
MNSs plays a role (BTD/GTD people would hardly know without Dr. D?),

But allele seem to play no role in the diet recommendations even if the founder of the blood type diet found out that their could be a relation to it?

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This is a case if
genotype versus phenotype..

What is expressed may be more important then what we are , but both are significant.

PC I was asking why it mattered to the original poster , why they need to know if they are Ao or AA.. or any other combination.





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alleles too were taken into consideration when Dr D designed his software program


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ask around for a serotyping panel
subtype of A
MN system
Lewis antigen
and RH factor

and maybe they can guide you as to how to test for your allele
but the info above would be more useful to you

Yes, I got my MN done at the same time as secretor and A1/A2 at the Path Lab in Burwood, Victoria




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Yeah i was just curious, just thought it would something good to know, i'm getting caught up in trying to get my tests done and just thought of that one too, and considering Dr D has been focussing on genotype recently, then at least maybe down the track if the other allele had some worth, i would already know what mine is (so being an A, if i have a recessive O that might influence things). do u need to know it for the SWAMI home software?

And i went to the Path Lab in Burwood today and they didn't seem to have a clue! ive even been enquiring to a naturopath in the UK who specialise in analysing finger prick samples, and they seem to be the best that i can find in terms of covering everything (except allele), but i dont think i am able to send the samples back to the UK through the Australia Post (as far as i can gather but im still not sure!) so thinking of trying my luck with my doctor first and seeing if he knows of the tests, and if they are/can be done by the path lab the doctor's clinic uses, or getting sent and done by another lab  

also to Jenny above, did you go and get the actual blood test done at the actual path lab in burwood, or did you go to your doctor, got the tests ordered, got your blood taken, and then had the samples sent to the path lab in burwood? because there appears to be a home kit you can purchase off their website, but you need your doctor to fill out part of the online form (just to get it sent to you, but then i think he has to fill out another form once i receive it, so before i send it off), but then you have to have 4mL blood taken, so you cant really do that at home anyway, so you would have to go in and get it done anyway!  


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alleles too were taken into consideration when Dr D designed his software program


Cool, also in SwamiXP?. If yes, could you specify how to tell the system. Is it part of the specific prediction algorythm, maybe?
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I'm NMg, so I can't use the MN factor in SWAMI.  I am M negative according to my test, so I can't use the MN option.  I just left mine blank.  I sure do wish rare blood angtigens were factored in, however, that would be a lot of work for a very small percentage of the population.  


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Sheldon, that is bad news re Path Lab in Burwood. I went in off the street, ie no referral from a doctor, (possibly made an appointment with them in advance), in about 2003. The secretor test was done by saliva, but the others ie MN and A1/A2 by blood.
We need to hear from others in Australia who have been there more recently, and if not, through what resource they got their information.
I have only ever discovered alleles through induction/deduction from my parents and childrens types.



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Dr D s programming skills, as well as his clinical experience has factored in all what needs to be factored in, no worries.


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Yeah i was just curious, just thought it would something good to know, i'm getting caught up in trying to get my tests done and just thought of that one too, and considering Dr D has been focussing on genotype recently, then at least maybe down the track if the other allele had some worth, i would already know what mine is (so being an A, if i have a recessive O that might influence things). do u need to know it for the SWAMI home software?

And i went to the Path Lab in Burwood today and they didn't seem to have a clue! ive even been enquiring to a naturopath in the UK who specialise in analysing finger prick samples, and they seem to be the best that i can find in terms of covering everything (except allele), but i dont think i am able to send the samples back to the UK through the Australia Post (as far as i can gather but im still not sure!) so thinking of trying my luck with my doctor first and seeing if he knows of the tests, and if they are/can be done by the path lab the doctor's clinic uses, or getting sent and done by another lab  

also to Jenny above, did you go and get the actual blood test done at the actual path lab in burwood, or did you go to your doctor, got the tests ordered, got your blood taken, and then had the samples sent to the path lab in burwood? because there appears to be a home kit you can purchase off their website, but you need your doctor to fill out part of the online form (just to get it sent to you, but then i think he has to fill out another form once i receive it, so before i send it off), but then you have to have 4mL blood taken, so you cant really do that at home anyway, so you would have to go in and get it done anyway!  


I had to have my Mg antigen tested by the American Red Cross.  I had the Lewis phenotyping done at the same time.  I had to have a doctor's order for both tests.  A blood bank at a major hospital or the Red Cross is probably your best bet.  My blood had to be sent from the hospital, where I had it drawn, to the local Red Cross office.


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the saliva test kit, for secretor status is a vial made of plastic, only
for that you need no Dr, you simply spit and send off to the lab in US.....
us international customers, can not send of saliva samples across the border, depending on law regulations in your country.

the serotyping panel, we are suggesting, is in fact a blood test, and can be done in your country....DPN sends no vial for that, thus the reason you ask your local Dr to withdraw the blood, to send to the lab in your country

hope that is more clear now


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Thanks everyone! I went to my doctor on tuesday, and other than ABO and Rh he had no idea on the other ones! so he just wrote them down on the path sheet, and i went next door to the nurse, who had no idea either! so after about an hour of the 2 nurses running around making phone calls, they finally took my blood and saliva sample, so now i just have to wait, fingers crossed it all works out!  


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Sometimes you can figure out your alleles based on family history. For example, I know my son has to be BO (or is it OB?) because I'm an O. If you're an A and you have any B or O children, then you know you have to be AO. Of course, this won't work for everybody (if you don't know your parents' blood types, don't have kids, or if the combinations don't clarify anything) but it works for some.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah (in Israel for the school year), 17yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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Thanks everyone! I went to my doctor on tuesday, and other than ABO and Rh he had no idea on the other ones! so he just wrote them down on the path sheet, and i went next door to the nurse, who had no idea either! so after about an hour of the 2 nurses running around making phone calls, they finally took my blood and saliva sample, so now i just have to wait, fingers crossed it all works out!  

Good on you for persevering Sheldon.You are fortunate in having a doctor who will comply with your requests (I moved clinics to find a doctor like that!)
You may find that they send the samples to Symbion if the Burwood Lab is no longer doing that work. Let us know!




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Knowing what your parents are will determine your other allele.



How does an A parent and a B parent make an Ao?  This is the case for my son.  

If one only knew one parent, say the A parent, but knew he himself was an Ao, he would assume his other parent was an O, by this logic, wouldn't he?  But, the other parent is in fact a B.  

I am sure this has been discussed before.  I can try to find an older thread, if I am highjacking this one too much.

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because your hubby is a Bo.....
and you are an Ao
so you passed down the A and hub passed down his o recessive allele making your son an Ao
simple, no?

A is dominant


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